Email Archive - Archive 2007 (6959 Messages) (Part 3 of 4)

You left it in the lobby two nights ago and I did not know whose it was, so I took it to my room when I went to bed. I did leave it, however, for Chris Pelley in case somebody claimed it. I think he has gone home by now, but perhaps he took them with him. I do not recall a timer, however. Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > On a simular note, I (Arnaud van Galen) have lost both my Rubiks timer (not > a speedstacking timer, but one of those black boxes) and a new Rubiks World > (2x2x2). If someone found them, please let me know. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Burton > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:42 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US Open - Cube > > > I think I may have left my cube in Chicago somewhere. If anybody sees > it, please take it for me and let me know. It says Bob Burton's > Cubewhiz.com on the white logo sticker. > > Bob >

Ah, the penalty.. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > Good, I will have the chance to meet the master Ryan in Budapest. :-) > > > > Congratulations ! > > > > Gilles > > > > PS : no OH-average world record...good for me :p > > > > 2007/6/18, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > > > > Congrats, Ryan! Wish I was there.. > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Leyan Lo" > > > <leyanlo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The atmosphere for the final round of 3x3 speedsolve was > > > > nerve-wracking. Competitors went up on the stage one at a time and > > > > the audience was near silent for each solve. > > > > > > > > Top 3 > > > > avg: 15.25 Jason Baum > > > > avg: 15.16 Toby Mao > > > > avg: 14.92 Ryan Patricio > > > > > > > > Results will be posted after Tyson finalizes the WCA IDs and > stuff on > > > > the score sheets. > > > > > > > > Leyan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Jason could've won if it weren't for the +2's he had received on his > final solves. > > I got one good time, but not on 3x3. ;) >

There was a Speedstacks timer. It said "Ryan" on the bottom, and sure enough, it was Ryan's. There was also a Square-1, Eastsheen 2x2x2, and a Rubik's World. I brought them downstairs to the hotel lobby last night. The Eastsheen and Square-1 eventually were claimed but I still have the Rubik's World. Arnaud, I can send it to you if you like. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: > > You left it in the lobby two nights ago and I did not know whose it > was, so I took it to my room when I went to bed. I did leave it, > however, for Chris Pelley in case somebody claimed it. I think he has > gone home by now, but perhaps he took them with him. I do not recall > a timer, however. > > Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > On a simular note, I (Arnaud van Galen) have lost both my Rubiks > timer (not > > a speedstacking timer, but one of those black boxes) and a new > Rubiks World > > (2x2x2). If someone found them, please let me know. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob Burton > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:42 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US Open - Cube > > > > > > I think I may have left my cube in Chicago somewhere. If anybody sees > > it, please take it for me and let me know. It says Bob Burton's > > Cubewhiz.com on the white logo sticker. > > > > Bob > > >

My average time for one-handed solving is about 30-35 seconds, and I've gotten a couple of nonlucky solves under 25, but I see myself as still very far from a low-20 second average. I'd like to ask all the people who are very good at OH solving - how would I get faster at it? I know that there is always practice, but there must be something else to improve on, because I can't see myself getting that much faster at physically turning the cube. I already have no delays on a good solve, so going from 28 to 19-20 seconds (for a good solve) seems very difficult. Is anyone who is at 20-25 seconds still using pure Fridrich? I imagine that a bunch of time could be gained by forcing an extended cross for every solve, and if that would make a significant difference I can work on that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZp-zusLU6g ive watched this video and tried to do it to me 2x2 but i cant seem to take the 2x2 apart can someone post a guide or a video on how to take off the shells and expose the black part also is the screw spring set the same one for diy 3x3s? would this http://www.cube4you.com/111_Screw+Washer+Spring.html work?

Well I use "nearly-pure Fridrich". The only thing I look for is not having "0 oriented edges" for the LL. Because most of these cases take a lot of time to solve. Otherwise, just practice and try to reduce the number of cube rotations you do. That's all. Gilles 2007/6/19, Michael Gottlieb <mzrg@...>: > > My average time for one-handed solving is about 30-35 seconds, and > I've gotten a couple of nonlucky solves under 25, but I see myself as > still very far from a low-20 second average. > > I'd like to ask all the people who are very good at OH solving - how > would I get faster at it? I know that there is always practice, but > there must be something else to improve on, because I can't see myself > getting that much faster at physically turning the cube. I already > have no delays on a good solve, so going from 28 to 19-20 seconds (for > a good solve) seems very difficult. > > Is anyone who is at 20-25 seconds still using pure Fridrich? I imagine > that a bunch of time could be gained by forcing an extended cross for > every solve, and if that would make a significant difference I can > work on that. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi! I just found a wery short alg that can fix parity errors for us who solves big cubes directly. r2 D2 r' D2 l D2 l' D2 B2 l' B2 r' 12 STM!! The alg swaps two opposite edge pices (single pices, not deges). I got good algs for all versions of the parity error but this is the shortest. How did I found it?.. Well, it's basicly a commutator that does a "J- PLL" in the second layer and some setup and restore turns. You can do the commutator like this: F2 \ r' D2 r \ r' D2 r F2 \ = swap pieces using U2 + u2 + d2 (three layers) // Kenneth

thanks Okan but last time i ve checked the paypal does not accept users from Romania... I should find a store that accept a Master card instead... Thanks again ----- Original Message ---- From: Okan VURAL <okanvur@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:29:26 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: where u get ur cubes at? hi, Tzu; i am from Turkey and i could't find anywhere so i bought my cubes from US and Taiwan. i think you should look ebay. :) have a nice day... On 18/06/07, Tzu <tzotzul@yahoo. com> wrote: > > hi all > I a new member of this club from Romania > A very far country from us. > In europe, where do i find an official rubik brand cube? > > Thanks > Marius > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't have a real need for the 2x2x2 Rubik's World. Sending it to me would probably be more expensive than me getting a new one. If you are going to visit any of the following competitions this year, please bring it with you and give it to me then. Untill then, enyou it :) *Czech Open *Polish Open *Worlds *Dutch Open ----- Original Message ----- From: christopher_pelley To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] US Open - Cube There was a Speedstacks timer. It said "Ryan" on the bottom, and sure enough, it was Ryan's. There was also a Square-1, Eastsheen 2x2x2, and a Rubik's World. I brought them downstairs to the hotel lobby last night. The Eastsheen and Square-1 eventually were claimed but I still have the Rubik's World. Arnaud, I can send it to you if you like. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: > > You left it in the lobby two nights ago and I did not know whose it > was, so I took it to my room when I went to bed. I did leave it, > however, for Chris Pelley in case somebody claimed it. I think he has > gone home by now, but perhaps he took them with him. I do not recall > a timer, however. > > Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > On a simular note, I (Arnaud van Galen) have lost both my Rubiks > timer (not > > a speedstacking timer, but one of those black boxes) and a new > Rubiks World > > (2x2x2). If someone found them, please let me know. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob Burton > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:42 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US Open - Cube > > > > > > I think I may have left my cube in Chicago somewhere. If anybody sees > > it, please take it for me and let me know. It says Bob Burton's > > Cubewhiz.com on the white logo sticker. > > > > Bob > > >

So to fix a PLL parity using this alg, just mirror it on the left side as well as do it on the right side? Brian Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...> wrote: Hi! I just found a wery short alg that can fix parity errors for us who solves big cubes directly. r2 D2 r' D2 l D2 l' D2 B2 l' B2 r' 12 STM!! The alg swaps two opposite edge pices (single pices, not deges). I got good algs for all versions of the parity error but this is the shortest. How did I found it?.. Well, it's basicly a commutator that does a "J- PLL" in the second layer and some setup and restore turns. You can do the commutator like this: F2 \ r' D2 r \ r' D2 r F2 \ = swap pieces using U2 + u2 + d2 (three layers) // Kenneth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My bad, i meant OLL. Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...> wrote: Hi! I just found a wery short alg that can fix parity errors for us who solves big cubes directly. r2 D2 r' D2 l D2 l' D2 B2 l' B2 r' 12 STM!! The alg swaps two opposite edge pices (single pices, not deges). I got good algs for all versions of the parity error but this is the shortest. How did I found it?.. Well, it's basicly a commutator that does a "J- PLL" in the second layer and some setup and restore turns. You can do the commutator like this: F2 \ r' D2 r \ r' D2 r F2 \ = swap pieces using U2 + u2 + d2 (three layers) // Kenneth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Like Gille said, reduce cube rotation. get a "fairly" loose cube that wont pop as much often and master the U and U' move using the index finger. :) --john lwin Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: Well I use "nearly-pure Fridrich". The only thing I look for is not having "0 oriented edges" for the LL. Because most of these cases take a lot of time to solve. Otherwise, just practice and try to reduce the number of cube rotations you do. That's all. Gilles 2007/6/19, Michael Gottlieb <mzrg@...>: > > My average time for one-handed solving is about 30-35 seconds, and > I've gotten a couple of nonlucky solves under 25, but I see myself as > still very far from a low-20 second average. > > I'd like to ask all the people who are very good at OH solving - how > would I get faster at it? I know that there is always practice, but > there must be something else to improve on, because I can't see myself > getting that much faster at physically turning the cube. I already > have no delays on a good solve, so going from 28 to 19-20 seconds (for > a good solve) seems very difficult. > > Is anyone who is at 20-25 seconds still using pure Fridrich? I imagine > that a bunch of time could be gained by forcing an extended cross for > every solve, and if that would make a significant difference I can > work on that. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone, I have a great idea for 'chain solving' and I would like some feedback. It is similar to Hardwick's beginner method for edge pairing, but it solves two edges at once. First, you set up with the pair to be paired on F. One part is on (uL) slice and the other is on (dR) slice. I solve it using something I call the "break and restore" principle, which many cubers should know: break something, do something useful, the replace it with something not useful, then restore it. The alg for the "break and restore" would be (Uu' R U R' Uu) and what it does is it solves the above mentioned edge and brings the bU edge into F. Solving two edge pairs using this is simple. Set up the pair to be solved, but look at the single edge under the (uL) slice. Lets call the pair to be solved X using the "break and restore" principle and the edge under the (uL) edge Ex and the second pair to be solved with Ex, 2x, which is in bU. We look at X and use "break and restore". Before performing it, however, we should look at Ex and see what edge goes with it. We then set up 2x in its proper place (which is bU), and apply "break and restore", which not only solves X but pairs up Ex and 2x. If no one understands, I can post a video... If you do read this, thanks for taking the time out of your summer vacation x]. Brian

This can also be mirrored on the UL edges.

> Well I use "nearly-pure Fridrich". > The only thing I look for is not having "0 oriented edges" for the LL. > Because most of these cases take a lot of time to solve. So what you mean is, learn to recognize when inserting the last F2L pair would cause 0 oriented edges, and insert it differently? Do you think that learning VHF2L would help even more, or not? > get a "fairly" loose cube that wont pop as much often and master > the U and U' move using the index finger. I'll see if I can adapt one of my DIY cubes to that. They tend to pop quite a lot but they're very loose too. I'll work on U also, it's definitely sort of slow for me. Thank you both!

Exclusive videos of Stefan Pochmann playing with the Rubik's Revolution are available at: http://rubik.talk-sep.net/?page=US2007 There are also some pictures, I will write my report as soon as get some time. It was an awesome competition! Sven

I would not recommend using the entire VHF2L system as many of the "2 edges oriented" cases can be done very quickly. I would just recommend you to avoid the "0 edges oriented" if you haven't practiced any of the cases. Some of these are really fast, but some aren't. So unless you are able to tell if you will get a fast or a slow '0 edges oriented' OLL, I recommend you to avoid them completely. Gilles 2007/6/19, Michael Gottlieb <mzrg@...>: > > > Well I use "nearly-pure Fridrich". > > The only thing I look for is not having "0 oriented edges" for the LL. > > Because most of these cases take a lot of time to solve. > > So what you mean is, learn to recognize when inserting the last F2L > pair would cause 0 oriented edges, and insert it differently? > > Do you think that learning VHF2L would help even more, or not? > > > get a "fairly" loose cube that wont pop as much often and master > > the U and U' move using the index finger. > > I'll see if I can adapt one of my DIY cubes to that. They tend to pop > quite a lot but they're very loose too. > > I'll work on U also, it's definitely sort of slow for me. > > Thank you both! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hhahahahahahahahaa, i haven't laughed that hard in a lonnnggg time. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Exclusive videos of Stefan Pochmann playing with the Rubik's Revolution are available at: > http://rubik.talk-sep.net/?page=US2007 > > There are also some pictures, I will write my report as soon as get some time. > > It was an awesome competition! > > Sven >

Did he manage to beat my score of 195 on the "Light Speed" game? That's the game accessed by pressing the blue button. DanH :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Exclusive videos of Stefan Pochmann playing with the Rubik's Revolution are available at: > http://rubik.talk-sep.net/?page=US2007 > > There are also some pictures, I will write my report as soon as get some time. > > It was an awesome competition! > > Sven >

195 that's a lot! He managed at least 50 and I managed only thirty something. Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Did he manage to beat my score of 195 on the "Light Speed" game? > That's the game accessed by pressing the blue button. > > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Exclusive videos of Stefan Pochmann playing with the Rubik's > Revolution are available at: > > http://rubik.talk-sep.net/?page=US2007 > > > > There are also some pictures, I will write my report as soon as get > some time. > > > > It was an awesome competition! > > > > Sven > > >

Hungarion? Baltitz? Boedapest? Dyslexia or disrespect? Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tobias Daneels <cubewizzard@...> wrote: > > On speedcubing.com, the results of an unofficial competition in Hungary are linked. > > I know that this all is off course unofficial but it's interesting to see that,if it was an official competition, 3 world records would have been broken. > Matyas Kuti: 1.03.xx blindsolve. > 0.91 seconds magic average, > > Milan Baltitz: 3.9x seconds average 2x2x2. > > I think we can expect lots of records at the WC in Boedapest. > That is if they all perform like this weekend off course. > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hey all... I have a writing assignment to observe a subculture, and, since I'm interested in speedcubing, chose this group as my subculture. I'd just like you to know I'll be observing your activies -- no, not stalking -- over the next few months. Please tell me if you have any objections. Oh, and I AM interested in speedcubing, so I'm not just a passive observer. (Petrus method, record 54 seconds non-lucky)

Funny :) I did an ethnography a few years ago on the same topic for an anthropology assignment. Good luck! -Chris On Jun 19, 2007, at 2:29 PM, derangedwibble wrote: > Hey all... I have a writing assignment to observe a subculture, and, > since I'm interested in speedcubing, chose this group as my > subculture. I'd just like you to know I'll be observing your activies > -- no, not stalking -- over the next few months. Please tell me if you > have any objections. Oh, and I AM interested in speedcubing, so I'm > not just a passive observer. (Petrus method, record 54 seconds non- > lucky) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "derangedwibble" <deranged.wibble@...> wrote: > > Hey all... I have a writing assignment to observe a subculture, and, > since I'm interested in speedcubing, chose this group as my > subculture. I'd just like you to know I'll be observing your activies > -- no, not stalking -- over the next few months. Please tell me if you > have any objections. Oh, and I AM interested in speedcubing, so I'm > not just a passive observer. (Petrus method, record 54 seconds non-lucky) > That's pretty awesome. If you have any questions, I'd be willing to answer them. I just did a writing assignment on the 1982 world championships, which was pretty fun. Had to present it to the class, and I delivered my conclusion while solving one-handed. A real crowd-pleaser.

Light speed is what I played in that video. My best was 57. Did you get your 195 in darkness or bright light? And does it at some point stop to accelerate? Maybe I shouldn't have given mine away. Oh well, even though it was fun for an evening, I'd rather practice with the real cube. Plus it was hard enough to get all my trophies into my suitcase. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Did he manage to beat my score of 195 on the "Light Speed" game? > That's the game accessed by pressing the blue button. > > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Exclusive videos of Stefan Pochmann playing with the Rubik's > Revolution are available at: > > http://rubik.talk-sep.net/?page=US2007 > > > > There are also some pictures, I will write my report as soon as get > some time. > > > > It was an awesome competition! > > > > Sven > > >

I suggest you learn some more languages and tools instead of advertising archaic ones not suited for the job at all. Many languages support arbitrarily large integers, some even as default. And special tools like Mathematica are even better for this. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Well, basically you hold each digit of an integer in each index of an > array. Simply using the integer or longint datatypes found in most > computer languages you will soon find that with large integers they > are represented in the form a*10^b kind of thing and the numbers are > not accurately represented anymore. With arays (or lists or similar) > one can represent in principal arbitrary long integers with a full > valid representation. I once calculated large factorials like this > with Turbo Pascal. Addition, multiplication and subtraction with > these arays is straight forward: the good old blackboard kind of > thing from primary school. > > Combine all this with some simple prime factor search and you are > done. You can find out if size(nxnxn cube group)-1 is prime for > arbitrary big n ;-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Hey Per, > > > > By that I mean the number of possible, legal, positions for that > cube > > size minus the solved state. > > > > I also just found that the number of unsolved configurations to an > > 11x11x11 cube is also a prime number ;-) > > > > I have to admit I have no idea what array integer multiplication is > > ;-) But if it would work to solve this problem I'd be interested in > > learning about it. > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > Fredlund" > > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Chris :) > > > > > > What on earth do you mean by unsolved configurations? Surely it > cannot > > > mean unsolvable configurations nor "not-yet-encountered > configuration". > > > So what do you mean by that? Is it simply possible > configurations - 1 ?? > > > > > > Surely, some fairly simple algorithm will be able to determine > this for > > > arbitrary sized cubes? (Using "array integer multiplication" to > keep > > > all digits.) > > > > > > -Per > > >

On http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/cube_laws.html the "half of the permutations" proof looks incomplete to me, there's something fishy about your assertion that "the number of accumulated swaps will therefore always remain even". It's somewhat true, but you don't prove that this can never lead to a cube state that can alternatively be solved with an odd number of swaps. Jaap has a proof that I like better: http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/theory.htm#permpar Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > Brian Le wrote: > > > I did that but I still don't understand how the algs. work > > Ah, so you want to understand how these algs work. > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/corner_3_cycles.html - explains how to > move corners. > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/group_theory.html - explains how to > preserve edge orientation. > > -- > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > So to fix a PLL (I know, OLL =) parity using this alg, just mirror it on the left side as well as do it on the right side? > > Brian > No, that solves PLL-parity + orients the two dedges. But uses far to many turns. That case is best solved using: x' U l+r'+R' U x' "PLL-parity" x U' l'+r+R U' x Three set up turns + cube orientations at first (l+r'+R' is at three layer turn), then you do PLL-parity and then undo the set ups. To solve OLL-parity using my alg you must use some diffrent set ups than the ones I'm using in the "two opposite swap" alg above. My OLL-parity alg looks like this: F2 l2 F2 U2 l' U2 l U2 l2 F2 r' F2 r U2 l' // Kenneth

HAHAHA That was indeed funny! Pedro sgowal <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: 195 that's a lot! He managed at least 50 and I managed only thirty something. Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Did he manage to beat my score of 195 on the "Light Speed" game? > That's the game accessed by pressing the blue button. > > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Exclusive videos of Stefan Pochmann playing with the Rubik's > Revolution are available at: > > http://rubik.talk-sep.net/?page=US2007 > > > > There are also some pictures, I will write my report as soon as get > some time. > > > > It was an awesome competition! > > > > Sven > > > --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm sorry, but in most tools/libraries, big numbers are indeed implemented using arrays (or buffer if you prefer to call them like that). The fact that the implementation details are hidden and the jobs done for you doesn't change anything, if not the knowledge of how it works under the hood. There is no need to trash someone like that, especially when what he said is not so stupid at all. If you want to complete his answer, go ahead, cite your sources, favorite libraries or languages. At least it would be more interesting than generalities such as "many languages" (and by the way, there are not so many mainstream languages which support big numbers _natively in the language itself_. It's mostly provided as libraries - which "surprisingly" use buffer/array implementation for them). So yes, Mathematica, or Maple are good for stuff like that when you only need to compute some mathematic formula (in other words for maths oriented stuff, like the original subject of this thread). For more advanced programs, performance might be a problem (especially with Maple, which is slow as hell, IMHO) If we look at the mainstream languages, in C/C++ for example, libssl is widely used. OCaml provides Num and Big_int modules in their standard libraries (but if you look at the implementation, of course, it's also implemented using buffer/array). Seems to be the same for ADA and perl (but I'm not an expert in these languages at all), and I can't really talk about .net stuff (VB, C#, F#) but I would be surprised if it was supported natively in the language itself. Could you cite languages which support big numbers natively? (I'm genuinely interested to know). But anyway, there is no need for condescending comments like that. I'm sick of reading unnecessary flames every other day (but I have to admit that it has been quiet for a few weeks now, how refreshing!). I know we have a lot of young cubers in this ML, but damn, can't we behave a little bit? I'll finish my rant by re-using your style (if I may): I would suggest you learn some more social skills instead of advertising uneducated and immature ones not suited for pleasant interactions with other peoples on an ML. Ok, let's finish on a funny tone http://despair.com/compromise.html ;) Cheers! Quôc On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:04 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > I suggest you learn some more languages and tools instead of > advertising archaic ones not suited for the job at all. Many > languages support arbitrarily large integers, some even as default. > And special tools like Mathematica are even better for this. > > Cheers! > Stefan

Here's the Today Show video: http://video.aol.com/video-search/id/3451675370 It only seems to work in IE for me.

Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others.

Right now I am looking into possible venues in Manhattan. If anybody has a suggestion, let me know. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@...> wrote: > > Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. >

Bob! Are you hosting one in New York? Me and my family plan to go there in August... Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: Right now I am looking into possible venues in Manhattan. If anybody has a suggestion, let me know. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@...> wrote: > > Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@...> wrote: > > Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > I was planning to host one around my place (Allentown, PA) unofficially around late fall or early winter... I may try to push to make it official, if enough people would be willing to come. This doesn't really help, does it? XD

Stefan Pochmann wrote: > On http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/cube_laws.html the "half of the > permutations" proof looks incomplete to me, It's not actually a proof. The challenge for me was to write about this topic in a way that would appeal to people who wanted to grasp the nature of the cube quickly without going into any mathematical depth. There was no doubt that this would make my explanation incomplete, but it was more a question of which points I could get away with leaving out, so as to make the overall text shorter. Explaining why permutations cannot be both even and odd is a rather dull matter for my target audience (I think), and something I felt I could skip over. Although I do agree that I might need to find another way to write the opening so that readers such as yourself do not wonder whether a permutation can be both even and odd. It is a point I have actually thought about before, but I haven't had any time yet to sit down and seriously think of another way to write it. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

yes. e-mail me with details about when you're staying. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Bob! Are you hosting one in New York? Me and my family plan to go there in August... > > Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: Right now I am looking into possible venues in Manhattan. If anybody > has a suggestion, let me know. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@> > wrote: > > > > Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

For me, I'm just going to pray that Caltech Fall/Winter is in mid- to late-December, even though it's always in November/January. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@> > wrote: > > > > Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > > > > > I was planning to host one around my place (Allentown, PA) > unofficially around late fall or early winter... I may try to push to > make it official, if enough people would be willing to come. > > This doesn't really help, does it? XD >

I liked how Chris Dzoan is completely dying in the background. Meanwhile, Rowe is laughing at Chris laughing, and Dan Dzoan and Chris Krueger have completely forgotten that they lost the race to finishing the quart of ice cream. -Tyson On Jun 19, 2007, at 7:16 PM, amiejl1981 wrote: > Here's the Today Show video: > > http://video.aol.com/video-search/id/3451675370 > > It only seems to work in IE for me. > > >

Ambie Valdes is in charge. You should bug her. -Tyson On Jun 19, 2007, at 9:43 PM, Timothy Sun wrote: > For me, I'm just going to pray that Caltech Fall/Winter is in mid- to > late-December, even though it's always in November/January. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > > > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > > > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > > > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i > assume, > > > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any > others. > > > > > > > > > I was planning to host one around my place (Allentown, PA) > > unofficially around late fall or early winter... I may try to push > to > > make it official, if enough people would be willing to come. > > > > This doesn't really help, does it? XD > > > > >

Hey Stefan, Yeah, I did it in the dark :) It would have been much more but for a lapse in concentration. It does get to a point where it no longer increases in speed, and in the dark is quite easy to keep up. 57 is awesome, my best was 48 :) Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Light speed is what I played in that video. My best was 57. Did you > get your 195 in darkness or bright light? And does it at some point > stop to accelerate? Maybe I shouldn't have given mine away. Oh well, > even though it was fun for an evening, I'd rather practice with the > real cube. Plus it was hard enough to get all my trophies into my > suitcase. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Dan" <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > > Did he manage to beat my score of 195 on the "Light Speed" game? > > That's the game accessed by pressing the blue button. > > > > DanH :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Exclusive videos of Stefan Pochmann playing with the Rubik's > > Revolution are available at: > > > http://rubik.talk-sep.net/?page=US2007 > > > > > > There are also some pictures, I will write my report as soon as > get > > some time. > > > > > > It was an awesome competition! > > > > > > Sven > > > > > >

Wait, I'm not sure if my parents will let me. They hate speedcubing >.> plus we are supposed to go for a vacation... Ill try and convince them though. Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: yes. e-mail me with details about when you're staying. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Bob! Are you hosting one in New York? Me and my family plan to go there in August... > > Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: Right now I am looking into possible venues in Manhattan. If anybody > has a suggestion, let me know. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@> > wrote: > > > > Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Stefan! So what if some languages do support infinitely large integers? Not all languages do. It's not archaic nor useless to know of a simple way to do it in languages/tools that do not support it off the shelf. Geez!! That's like saying it's pointless to learn the cube yourself when there are solutions out there :-P I thought you were an advocat of coming up with own solutions?? If you had read my later posts i did mention that Java has Biginteger class, and that Mathcad or Mathematica is better for the job ;-) Also, sometimes it's the solution process that is fun. Not the solution in and by itself. What's the fun in giving Mathematica the formula for positions on cube size n and ask it for which n<k will n-1 be prime? None in my opinion. Finding it myself is fun, but slower ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > I suggest you learn some more languages and tools instead of > advertising archaic ones not suited for the job at all. Many > languages support arbitrarily large integers, some even as default. > And special tools like Mathematica are even better for this. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > Well, basically you hold each digit of an integer in each index of > an > > array. Simply using the integer or longint datatypes found in most > > computer languages you will soon find that with large integers > they > > are represented in the form a*10^b kind of thing and the numbers > are > > not accurately represented anymore. With arays (or lists or > similar) > > one can represent in principal arbitrary long integers with a full > > valid representation. I once calculated large factorials like this > > with Turbo Pascal. Addition, multiplication and subtraction with > > these arays is straight forward: the good old blackboard kind of > > thing from primary school. > > > > Combine all this with some simple prime factor search and you are > > done. You can find out if size(nxnxn cube group)-1 is prime for > > arbitrary big n ;-) > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Per, > > > > > > By that I mean the number of possible, legal, positions for that > > cube > > > size minus the solved state. > > > > > > I also just found that the number of unsolved configurations to > an > > > 11x11x11 cube is also a prime number ;-) > > > > > > I have to admit I have no idea what array integer multiplication > is > > > ;-) But if it would work to solve this problem I'd be > interested in > > > learning about it. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > > Fredlund" > > > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Chris :) > > > > > > > > What on earth do you mean by unsolved configurations? Surely > it > > cannot > > > > mean unsolvable configurations nor "not-yet-encountered > > configuration". > > > > So what do you mean by that? Is it simply possible > > configurations - 1 ?? > > > > > > > > Surely, some fairly simple algorithm will be able to determine > > this for > > > > arbitrary sized cubes? (Using "array integer multiplication" > to > > keep > > > > all digits.) > > > > > > > > -Per > > > > > >

Neither Stefan. It seems like i just don't care too much for spelling. It's the message, not the pakkage. ;) And Boedapest is right in Dutch, hehe. ----- Message d'origine ---- De : Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> À : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Mardi, 19 Juin 2007, 23h19mn 41s Objet : [Speed cubing group] Re: Hungarion cube meeting Hungarion? Baltitz? Boedapest? Dyslexia or disrespect? Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, Tobias Daneels <cubewizzard@ ...> wrote: > > On speedcubing. com, the results of an unofficial competition in Hungary are linked. > > I know that this all is off course unofficial but it's interesting to see that,if it was an official competition, 3 world records would have been broken. > Matyas Kuti: 1.03.xx blindsolve. > 0.91 seconds magic average, > > Milan Baltitz: 3.9x seconds average 2x2x2. > > I think we can expect lots of records at the WC in Boedapest. > That is if they all perform like this weekend off course. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Here's another link that works in Firefox: http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/fv.htm??g=825bd945-aeb9-472c-b1b8-23edcd3e28fb&f=34&fg=rss -Chris Parlette --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amiejl1981 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Here's the Today Show video: > > http://video.aol.com/video-search/id/3451675370 > > It only seems to work in IE for me. >

Hi Ryan :-) I agree that your "proofs" on that pages are mostly indicative and not conclusive. When you discuss number of swaps you must distinguish clearly between the different kinds of cubies. An outer single step turn is odd (on swaps) on corners and odd on edges, but the totality is even when mixing all diff kinds of cubies together. A thorough analysis, distinguishing the different kinds of cubies, will explain why the orientation parity is possible on the revenge cube. With your simplified "proof" it would seem actually impossible :-o Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > On http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/cube_laws.html the "half of the > permutations" proof looks incomplete to me, there's something fishy > about your assertion that "the number of accumulated swaps will > therefore always remain even". It's somewhat true, but you don't > prove that this can never lead to a cube state that can alternatively > be solved with an odd number of swaps. Jaap has a proof that I like > better: > http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/theory.htm#permpar > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan > Heise" <ryan@> wrote: > > > > Brian Le wrote: > > > > > I did that but I still don't understand how the algs. work > > > > Ah, so you want to understand how these algs work. > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/corner_3_cycles.html - explains how to > > move corners. > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/group_theory.html - explains how to > > preserve edge orientation. > > > > -- > > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > >

I have been trying to learn 3-cycle method for solving the cube blindfolded, but I just can't do it. I understand the method and can solve the cube with that method eyes open but when I close my eyes I can't do it. Is there an easier method or do I just have to forget blidfolded cubing?

ryan> It's not actually a proof. per> I agree that your "proofs" on that pages are mostly indicative per> and not conclusive. Firstly, why ignore my quote above? Secondly, what is an "inconclusive proof"?? (*) (I apologise for not giving a direct reply to the other issues you raised, but you should find those issues addressed on the other pages which presumably you haven't read - apart from the 4x4x4 since my site is not about the 4x4x4) (*) If it is not conclusive, then it is not a proof. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > 57 is awesome, my best was 48 :) The 57 was in semi-darkness, in bright light (in the place you see in the video) I believe I got to 48, too, with the method in the video. One of my methods that I think is good for a bright environment is to hold white and yellow on the sides almost covered with your palms to somewhat "create" darkness around them even in a bright room. Then you see their light on your palms and the other four lights by doing x-rotations. Cheers! Stefan

I suggest you don't read something into a sober suggestion that wasn't there. Yes, if you're a library/tool implementer or an interested programmer, you might want to implement big numbers yourself. But I doubt Chris is either of these, and he's the one Per suggested it to. Hey, why not also suggest everybody should build their own car instead of just buying one? Some languages that I believe support big integers by default: Ruby, Python, SmallTalk, Lisp, Prolog. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, yahoogroups@... wrote: > > I'm sorry, but in most tools/libraries, big numbers are indeed > implemented using arrays (or buffer if you prefer to call them like > that). The fact that the implementation details are hidden and > the jobs done for you doesn't change anything, if not the > knowledge of how it works under the hood. > > There is no need to trash someone like that, especially when > what he said is not so stupid at all. If you want to complete his > answer, go ahead, cite your sources, favorite libraries or > languages. At least it would be more interesting than generalities > such as "many languages" (and by the way, there are not so > many mainstream languages which support big numbers > _natively in the language itself_. It's mostly provided as libraries > - which "surprisingly" use buffer/array implementation for them). > > So yes, Mathematica, or Maple are good for stuff like that when > you only need to compute some mathematic formula (in other > words for maths oriented stuff, like the original subject of this > thread). For more advanced programs, performance might be > a problem (especially with Maple, which is slow as hell, IMHO) > > If we look at the mainstream languages, in C/C++ for example, > libssl is widely used. OCaml provides Num and Big_int modules > in their standard libraries (but if you look at the implementation, > of course, it's also implemented using buffer/array). Seems to > be the same for ADA and perl (but I'm not an expert in these > languages at all), and I can't really talk about .net stuff (VB, C#, > F#) but I would be surprised if it was supported natively in the > language itself. Could you cite languages which support big > numbers natively? (I'm genuinely interested to know). > > But anyway, there is no need for condescending comments > like that. I'm sick of reading unnecessary flames every other day > (but I have to admit that it has been quiet for a few weeks now, > how refreshing!). I know we have a lot of young cubers in this > ML, but damn, can't we behave a little bit? > > I'll finish my rant by re-using your style (if I may): > I would suggest you learn some more social skills instead of > advertising uneducated and immature ones not suited for pleasant > interactions with other peoples on an ML. > > Ok, let's finish on a funny tone > http://despair.com/compromise.html > > ;) > > Cheers! > Quôc > > On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:04 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > I suggest you learn some more languages and tools instead of > > advertising archaic ones not suited for the job at all. Many > > languages support arbitrarily large integers, some even as default. > > And special tools like Mathematica are even better for this. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan >

My reply was more a comment to the stuff on the page Stefan referred to. Indeed in later post u admit it's not a proof. By inconclusive proof i mean a proof which is not "generalisable". Like a proof that says something about a car but not about all vehicles in general for instance. Not an excellent example btw. So yes i actually meant its not a proof. -Per >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > ryan> It's not actually a proof. > > per> I agree that your "proofs" on that pages are mostly indicative > per> and not conclusive. > > Firstly, why ignore my quote above? > > Secondly, what is an "inconclusive proof"?? (*) > > (I apologise for not giving a direct reply to the other issues you > raised, but you should find those issues addressed on the other pages > which presumably you haven't read - apart from the 4x4x4 since my site > is not about the 4x4x4) > > (*) If it is not conclusive, then it is not a proof. > > -- > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > It's not archaic nor useless to know of a simple way to do it in > languages/tools that do not support it off the shelf. I didn't know Chris was a programmer. > Geez!! That's like saying it's pointless to learn the cube > yourself when there are solutions out there False, incorrect analogy. For cubers it's worthwhile to solve the cube on their own. For programmers it's worthwhile to do programming stuff on their own. Why you suggest programming big integers to a cuber, that's not clear to me. Cheers! Stefan

practice and take it easy. relax. im also learning how to solve it blindfolded, my personal best being 4min and 51 sec. if you got some good acronyms to remember the numbers it is helpful. --John LWin. Aili Asikainen <aili.asikainen@...> wrote: I have been trying to learn 3-cycle method for solving the cube blindfolded, but I just can't do it. I understand the method and can solve the cube with that method eyes open but when I close my eyes I can't do it. Is there an easier method or do I just have to forget blidfolded cubing? --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) There may be reasons why a programmer (who may also be a cuber) HAS to stick to one language and not swap to another language just to solve one problem (in this case HUGE integers). This may result in more problems than it solves. It's not useless to have at least some idea about how external libraries may have been coded. I was suggesting about arrays for representig huge integers as a way that will work in general in every language that i know. I guess any language that does not even have arrays is capable of making some class coded w basic features that will emulate arrays. How efficient this will be may vary. Maybe i was naive in thinking that solving the problem was fun. Especially if one is just in interested in the answer anyway ... -Per >>--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > It's not archaic nor useless to know of a simple way to do it in > > languages/tools that do not support it off the shelf. > > I didn't know Chris was a programmer. > > > Geez!! That's like saying it's pointless to learn the cube > > yourself when there are solutions out there > > False, incorrect analogy. For cubers it's worthwhile to solve the > cube on their own. For programmers it's worthwhile to do programming > stuff on their own. Why you suggest programming big integers to a > cuber, that's not clear to me. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

With the help of a few other people, I've made a new page for frequently asked questions, found at http://pjgat09.gotdns.com/faq.html The point was to answer as many common questions as we can, in a simple, intuitive way. Its still a work in progress, but we are working on it often, and are asking that people suggest more questions/answers that should be on it. Also, if you would like to help out interactively, please email me at pjgat09 [AT] gmail [dot] com and I will give you the details you need. Thanks everyone!

Hey, did anyone take a lot of videos of the US Open? If so, please send any and all videos to me, i'm going to make like a "highlight film" of the competition. I'd especially like videos of all of Stefan's pops if anyone has those, and the OH world record, plus pretty much any other video. Thanks! (my email is richard16meyer@...)

Yeah. i am trying to find one too xkiesterx <kianb@...> wrote: Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. www.xanga.com/forlask www.myspace.com/vbzakis Vince "forlask" --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, I am making a relatively large order from 9spuzzles and will be selling D.I.Y. kits(A) for $11 (black) or $13 (colored/white) each. I am mostly getting black and white ones, but am willing to get a certain number or color or other puzzles (by request) by Friday, when I place the order. I live in South Pasadena, CA, and you can contact me via email at devin1891@gmail.com or by replying to this message. Also, I just wanted to get an idea of how many to order; I was going to get around 40 black and 10 white kits but may order more if i get a large response. As for where this money is going: basically, I need to break even. Then if I get any more money, the first $100 will go into my pocket and anything else will go to our school club which will probably be spent on Stackmats so we may hold a competition. ~devin C-R

What about one in Denver, would that be a good place for everyone? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > Yeah. i am trying to find one too > > xkiesterx <kianb@...> wrote: Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > > > > > > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

DUDE!!! That's like the perfect palce for me... get one there this summer richard16meyer <richard16meyer@...> wrote: What about one in Denver, would that be a good place for everyone? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > Yeah. i am trying to find one too > > xkiesterx <kianb@...> wrote: Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > > > > > > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > www.xanga.com/forlask www.myspace.com/vbzakis Vince "forlask" --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > Some languages that I believe support big integers by default: Ruby, > Python, SmallTalk, Lisp, Prolog. > > Cheers! > Stefan I'm quite sure Miranda and it's cousin Gopher support big integers. The only limit in the number of digits is available memory. The lazy evaluation enables it to use infinite series in it's calculations. E.g. {[n,n+1,...] |n=1; n * 2} results in 2,4,6,8,10, etc. Actually, it's more efficient not to use integer arrays but binary or hexadecimal arrays. See http://www.codeproject.com/csharp/biginteger.asp for an article on the subject, and an implementation in C# I know, way off topic, and only interesting for some programmers. Michiel

I use oil. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > With the help of a few other people, I've made a new page for > frequently asked questions, found at http://pjgat09.gotdns.com/faq.html > > The point was to answer as many common questions as we can, in a > simple, intuitive way. Its still a work in progress, but we are > working on it often, and are asking that people suggest more > questions/answers that should be on it. > > Also, if you would like to help out interactively, please email me at > pjgat09 [AT] gmail [dot] com and I will give you the details you need. > > Thanks everyone! >

That's funny. A page about C# written in .asp NOT asp.net (.aspx) ;-) Of course it's inefficient to use datatype integer for each element of the array. Better would be byte or smallint or equivalent, otherwise much space (and speed) is wasted. Use of hexadecimal numbers is elegant but less intuitive unless you are mathematically inclined. -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der Blonk" <blonkm@...> wrote: > > > > > Some languages that I believe support big integers by default: Ruby, > > Python, SmallTalk, Lisp, Prolog. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > I'm quite sure Miranda and it's cousin Gopher support big integers. The > only limit in the number of digits is available memory. The lazy > evaluation enables it to use infinite series in it's calculations. E.g. > {[n,n+1,...] |n=1; n * 2} results in 2,4,6,8,10, etc. > > Actually, it's more efficient not to use integer arrays but binary or > hexadecimal arrays. See > http://www.codeproject.com/csharp/biginteger.asp for an article on the > subject, and an implementation in C# > > I know, way off topic, and only interesting for some programmers. > > Michiel >

What site do you learn the 3-cycle meathod from? lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: practice and take it easy. relax. im also learning how to solve it blindfolded, my personal best being 4min and 51 sec. if you got some good acronyms to remember the numbers it is helpful. --John LWin. Aili Asikainen <aili.asikainen@...> wrote: I have been trying to learn 3-cycle method for solving the cube blindfolded, but I just can't do it. I understand the method and can solve the cube with that method eyes open but when I close my eyes I can't do it. Is there an easier method or do I just have to forget blidfolded cubing? --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] www.xanga.com/forlask www.myspace.com/vbzakis Vince "forlask" --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Of course it's inefficient to use datatype integer for each element > of the array. Better would be byte or smallint or equivalent, > otherwise much space (and speed) is wasted. Wrong. Very wrong. Stefan

denver would be cool, i've never visited there, and its in a centralized location kind of like chicago was. also it gives me a good reason to go hang out with mike for a while :). dan knights would probably show up also since i believe he's moving to colorado. Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: DUDE!!! That's like the perfect palce for me... get one there this summer richard16meyer <richard16meyer@...> wrote: What about one in Denver, would that be a good place for everyone? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > Yeah. i am trying to find one too > > xkiesterx <kianb@...> wrote: Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > > > > > > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > www.xanga.com/forlask www.myspace.com/vbzakis Vince "forlask" --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Of course it's inefficient to use datatype integer for each element > > of the array. Better would be byte or smallint or equivalent, > > otherwise much space (and speed) is wasted. > > Wrong. Very wrong. > > Stefan > To fill in the gap here (and hopefully correct) you mean that it's not about what type of value is stored, but how the calculation is done. Using hex or binary a base 16 or base 2 can be used, which makes it as efficient as possible for a machine that cna only work in binary. Likewise for a human the most efficient method is to work in the decimal system (if you use your 10 fingers that is). comments? Michiel

You should put a page about it on your website and do demonstration videos and call it the Pochmann method. This could be the Rubik's Revolution M2 method. -Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Dan" <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > > 57 is awesome, my best was 48 :) > > The 57 was in semi-darkness, in bright light (in the place you see in > the video) I believe I got to 48, too, with the method in the video. > One of my methods that I think is good for a bright environment is to > hold white and yellow on the sides almost covered with your palms to > somewhat "create" darkness around them even in a bright room. Then > you see their light on your palms and the other four lights by doing > x-rotations. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

How can we pay? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" <devin1891@...> wrote: > > Hi, I am making a relatively large order from 9spuzzles and will be > selling D.I.Y. kits(A) for $11 (black) or $13 (colored/white) each. > > I am mostly getting black and white ones, but am willing to get a > certain number or color or other puzzles (by request) by Friday, when > I place the order. > > I live in South Pasadena, CA, and you can contact me via email at > devin1891@... or by replying to this message. > > Also, I just wanted to get an idea of how many to order; I was going > to get around 40 black and 10 white kits but may order more if i get a > large response. > > As for where this money is going: basically, I need to break even. > Then if I get any more money, the first $100 will go into my pocket > and anything else will go to our school club which will probably be > spent on Stackmats so we may hold a competition. > > ~devin C-R >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der Blonk" <blonkm@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > Of course it's inefficient to use datatype integer for each element > > > of the array. Better would be byte or smallint or equivalent, > > > otherwise much space (and speed) is wasted. > > > > Wrong. Very wrong. > > > > Stefan > > > To fill in the gap here (and hopefully correct) you mean that it's not > about what type of value is stored, but how the calculation is done. > Using hex or binary a base 16 or base 2 can be used, which makes it as > efficient as possible for a machine that cna only work in binary. > > Likewise for a human the most efficient method is to work in the > decimal system (if you use your 10 fingers that is). > > comments? > > Michiel >From a machine point of view: The early Crays (and I would assume later ones too) had units that could do base 10 just as fast as base 16... . Yes, I know, this doesn't apply to the computers 99.99% of the population has access to, but still... >From a programmer's point of view: A library that has been around for a long time has probably been tweaked tremendously and could probably do base 10 faster (doing it in base 16 first and then converting) than a lot of programmers could program the same algorithms in base 16... As for using bytes or smallints, it's wrong to use those instead because lots of commonly used CPUs do a lot of operations on 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, etc. units at the same speed. So doing it on 8-bit units would be 4 times slower than doing the same operation on 32-bit units. In addition, SOME CPUs actually are slower on units that are smaller than their "native word" size... There's a lot more to it, but this should clear things up sufficiently.

we could set up a meeting time and place or at a competition (note i don't plan on reshipping these its mostly meant for people who live close in southern California). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" <aznspazboi@...> wrote: > > How can we pay? > > -Corwin > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" > <devin1891@> wrote: > > > > Hi, I am making a relatively large order from 9spuzzles and will be > > selling D.I.Y. kits(A) for $11 (black) or $13 (colored/white) each. > > > > I am mostly getting black and white ones, but am willing to get a > > certain number or color or other puzzles (by request) by Friday, when > > I place the order. > > > > I live in South Pasadena, CA, and you can contact me via email at > > devin1891@ or by replying to this message. > > > > Also, I just wanted to get an idea of how many to order; I was going > > to get around 40 black and 10 white kits but may order more if i get a > > large response. > > > > As for where this money is going: basically, I need to break even. > > Then if I get any more money, the first $100 will go into my pocket > > and anything else will go to our school club which will probably be > > spent on Stackmats so we may hold a competition. > > > > ~devin C-R > > >

I live in north Cali. I might want to buy one, but my parents hate speedcubing T_T. They say I have "too many cubes" when I only have two store bought 3x3 and other stuff, which aren't very good (the 3x3)... devin1891 <devin1891@...> wrote: we could set up a meeting time and place or at a competition (note i don't plan on reshipping these its mostly meant for people who live close in southern California). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" <aznspazboi@...> wrote: > > How can we pay? > > -Corwin > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" > <devin1891@> wrote: > > > > Hi, I am making a relatively large order from 9spuzzles and will be > > selling D.I.Y. kits(A) for $11 (black) or $13 (colored/white) each. > > > > I am mostly getting black and white ones, but am willing to get a > > certain number or color or other puzzles (by request) by Friday, when > > I place the order. > > > > I live in South Pasadena, CA, and you can contact me via email at > > devin1891@ or by replying to this message. > > > > Also, I just wanted to get an idea of how many to order; I was going > > to get around 40 black and 10 white kits but may order more if i get a > > large response. > > > > As for where this money is going: basically, I need to break even. > > Then if I get any more money, the first $100 will go into my pocket > > and anything else will go to our school club which will probably be > > spent on Stackmats so we may hold a competition. > > > > ~devin C-R > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well i am not going to drive all the way to no cal for 1 cube but if there is a competition there I would be able to or if there is one down here you could come to. ~devin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > I live in north Cali. I might want to buy one, but my parents hate speedcubing T_T. They say I have "too many cubes" when I only have two store bought 3x3 and other stuff, which aren't very good (the 3x3)... > > devin1891 <devin1891@...> wrote: we could set up a meeting time and place or at a competition (note i > don't plan on reshipping these its mostly meant for people who live > close in southern California). > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" > <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > How can we pay? > > > > -Corwin > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" > > <devin1891@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I am making a relatively large order from 9spuzzles and will be > > > selling D.I.Y. kits(A) for $11 (black) or $13 (colored/white) each. > > > > > > I am mostly getting black and white ones, but am willing to get a > > > certain number or color or other puzzles (by request) by Friday, when > > > I place the order. > > > > > > I live in South Pasadena, CA, and you can contact me via email at > > > devin1891@ or by replying to this message. > > > > > > Also, I just wanted to get an idea of how many to order; I was going > > > to get around 40 black and 10 white kits but may order more if i get a > > > large response. > > > > > > As for where this money is going: basically, I need to break even. > > > Then if I get any more money, the first $100 will go into my pocket > > > and anything else will go to our school club which will probably be > > > spent on Stackmats so we may hold a competition. > > > > > > ~devin C-R > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

hi, this is John Kyawkyaw Lwin. i will need one black DIY kit please :) , i can meet you at PCC and pay you. Thanks. Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: How can we pay? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" <devin1891@...> wrote: > > Hi, I am making a relatively large order from 9spuzzles and will be > selling D.I.Y. kits(A) for $11 (black) or $13 (colored/white) each. > > I am mostly getting black and white ones, but am willing to get a > certain number or color or other puzzles (by request) by Friday, when > I place the order. > > I live in South Pasadena, CA, and you can contact me via email at > devin1891@... or by replying to this message. > > Also, I just wanted to get an idea of how many to order; I was going > to get around 40 black and 10 white kits but may order more if i get a > large response. > > As for where this money is going: basically, I need to break even. > Then if I get any more money, the first $100 will go into my pocket > and anything else will go to our school club which will probably be > spent on Stackmats so we may hold a competition. > > ~devin C-R > --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le > <khoale1234567@> wrote: > > > > So to fix a PLL (I know, OLL =) parity using this alg, just mirror > it on the left side as well as do it on the right side? > > > > Brian ---------- > To solve OLL-parity using my alg you must use some diffrent set ups > than the ones I'm using in the "two opposite swap" alg above. > > My OLL-parity alg looks like this: > > F2 l2 F2 U2 l' U2 l U2 l2 F2 r' F2 r U2 l' > > // Kenneth > That alg is based on a diffrent version of the "second layer J-PLL". This morning I worked out a OLL-parity that is based on the same moves as my 12 move two piece swap im the first post of this thread. This new alg is also a 15 turn thing and looks like this: r2 B2 D2 r' D2 l D2 l' D2 B2 l' B2 r' B2 r2 It seems 15 turns is the shortest alg for the OLL-parity. I have found two of them and there are some others, wery simmilair to those I found knowned before of the same length but non shorter. Maybe if you can find a variation that does the moves U2 and D2 (or likwise) in sequence, then you can change those to a E2 and that way reach 14 turns. But I think there are no more ways to get below 15 turns. // Kenneth BTW: That diffrent version of the "second layer J-PLL" looks like this : F2 D2 r D2 r' D2 l D2 l' D2 F2

Pyraminx, you north Americans must start to work on that thing =) A 21 second average is the NAR!? It took me about a month of practice from scratch (including developing a good method) to reach 15 second averages and I'm not a fast cuber. Come on guys :P // Kenneth

I was thinking mostly in terms of wasted storage. 4 byte spent for each integer versus only 1 byte (or less if using compression techniques) is definitely a waste. How can calculation theoretically be faster with a longer representation? Maybe they're same speed on most systems, but even then space is wasted if using integer vs byte for instance. -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der Blonk" <blonkm@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > Of course it's inefficient to use datatype integer for each element > > > of the array. Better would be byte or smallint or equivalent, > > > otherwise much space (and speed) is wasted. > > > > Wrong. Very wrong. > > > > Stefan > > > To fill in the gap here (and hopefully correct) you mean that it's not > about what type of value is stored, but how the calculation is done. > Using hex or binary a base 16 or base 2 can be used, which makes it as > efficient as possible for a machine that cna only work in binary. > > Likewise for a human the most efficient method is to work in the > decimal system (if you use your 10 fingers that is). > > comments? > > Michiel >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Jos Walbeehm" <walbeehm@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der Blonk" > <blonkm@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > > > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Of course it's inefficient to use datatype integer for each element > > > > of the array. Better would be byte or smallint or equivalent, > > > > otherwise much space (and speed) is wasted. > > > > > > Wrong. Very wrong. > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > To fill in the gap here (and hopefully correct) you mean that it's not > > about what type of value is stored, but how the calculation is done. > > Using hex or binary a base 16 or base 2 can be used, which makes it as > > efficient as possible for a machine that cna only work in binary. > > > > Likewise for a human the most efficient method is to work in the > > decimal system (if you use your 10 fingers that is). > > > > comments? > > > > Michiel > > From a machine point of view: The early Crays (and I would assume > later ones too) had units that could do base 10 just as fast as base > 16... . Yes, I know, this doesn't apply to the computers 99.99% of the > population has access to, but still... > > From a programmer's point of view: A library that has been around for > a long time has probably been tweaked tremendously and could probably > do base 10 faster (doing it in base 16 first and then converting) than > a lot of programmers could program the same algorithms in base 16... > > As for using bytes or smallints, it's wrong to use those instead > because lots of commonly used CPUs do a lot of operations on 8-bit, > 16-bit, 32-bit, etc. units at the same speed. So doing it on 8-bit > units would be 4 times slower than doing the same operation on 32- bit > units. In addition, SOME CPUs actually are slower on units that are > smaller than their "native word" size... > > There's a lot more to it, but this should clear things up sufficiently. > Hmmm, i had no idea using byte/smallint would be up to 4 times slower versus integer. So that means we would sacrifice speed to be able deal with even larger integer representations. Today memory is cheap so then using smaller datatypes does seem like a waste. Then i learnt something ;-) I suggest we stop this topic here it's WAY off topic :D -Per

I think you are a little bit confused about this. I'm not quite sure what you guys meant with base-10 and base-16/2 computations. A computer is a binary machine, base-10 doesn't mean much for it unless you simulate it. Base 16 is closely related to base-2 so we can just assume it's the same. It's just a faster way of writing it _for us_ as human, on a piece of paper. Now, back to the storage. You don't waste anything by using 4byte instead of 1. On most computer 1byte = 8bit. Hence you can store a value up to 255. On 4 byte you'll store up to 2^32-1. Of course, you're not going to store the number 1911 as: [1, 9, 1, 1] using 4 byte and using a base-10 representation. That would be quite naive and inefficient. In this particular case, 1911 is 777h, so you'll just use 16bit or 2byte to store this value. You really need only 11bit but since it's not a multiple of 8, it's not very pratical. In other words, it doesn't really matter if you are using an array of 4byte or 1byte, because you'll use all of it anyway. If you use an array of 4byte per element, you're just not going to use the 2nd element before the first one is completely full. Said differently, it's just all memory, and using an array is just a practical way of representing a bitstream. 8bit, can represent up to 2^8-1, if you add 1bit you can now represent the number 2^9-1, if you had another bit... Computing big numbers on a computer is just a matter of reserving a block of memory which contains enough bit to represent the big number. And this block of memory is just manipulated as an array. I hope I'm clear on the explanation. Now, there is in fact a difference in using an array of 4byte vs. 4byte. The memory usage will still be the same (because the memory is allocated to have an certain number of bit anyway), but instead of accessing part of this big number and manipulating it using 1byte chunk, it's faster to do so using 4byte chunk (or even 8byte chunk on 64bit computer), because the computer internally is anyway going to really manipulate 4byte numbers. I hope it clarifies, (but we are way off-topic on this thread) Quôc On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > I was thinking mostly in terms of wasted storage. 4 byte spent for > each integer versus only 1 byte (or less if using compression > techniques) is definitely a waste. How can calculation theoretically > be faster with a longer representation? Maybe they're same speed on > most systems, but even then space is wasted if using integer vs byte > for instance. > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der > Blonk" <blonkm@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > > > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Of course it's inefficient to use datatype integer for each > element > > > > of the array. Better would be byte or smallint or equivalent, > > > > otherwise much space (and speed) is wasted. > > > > > > Wrong. Very wrong. > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > To fill in the gap here (and hopefully correct) you mean that it's > not > > about what type of value is stored, but how the calculation is > done. > > Using hex or binary a base 16 or base 2 can be used, which makes it > as > > efficient as possible for a machine that cna only work in binary. > > > > Likewise for a human the most efficient method is to work in the > > decimal system (if you use your 10 fingers that is). > > > > comments? > > > > Michiel > > > > >

Hi :-) In the naive implementation one would do something like this: bignumber = array[size] of datatype; //holds up to *size* digits integer For this simple scheme the datatype directly affects how much total storage is going to be used. Of course there are clever ways to hold more information into the datatype than the naive representation allows. If people just want to know the answer to Chris' question use Mathematica. If they want to have fun implement their own biginteger class and own primality checks!! -Per (my last post on this topic) > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, yahoogroups@... wrote: > > I think you are a little bit confused about this. > > I'm not quite sure what you guys meant with base-10 and > base-16/2 computations. > A computer is a binary machine, base-10 doesn't mean much for it > unless you simulate it. Base 16 is closely related to base-2 so we > can just assume it's the same. It's just a faster way of writing it > _for us_ > as human, on a piece of paper. > > Now, back to the storage. You don't waste anything by using 4byte > instead of 1. On most computer 1byte = 8bit. Hence you can store > a value up to 255. On 4 byte you'll store up to 2^32-1. > > Of course, you're not going to store the number 1911 as: > [1, 9, 1, 1] using 4 byte and using a base-10 representation. That > would be quite naive and inefficient. In this particular case, 1911 > is 777h, so you'll just use 16bit or 2byte to store this value. You > really need only 11bit but since it's not a multiple of 8, it's not very > pratical. > > In other words, it doesn't really matter if you are using an array > of 4byte or 1byte, because you'll use all of it anyway. If you use an > array of 4byte per element, you're just not going to use the 2nd element > before the first one is completely full. Said differently, it's just all > memory, and using an array is just a practical way of representing a > bitstream. > > 8bit, can represent up to 2^8-1, if you add 1bit you can now > represent the > number 2^9-1, if you had another bit... Computing big numbers on > a computer is just a matter of reserving a block of memory which > contains enough bit to represent the big number. And this block of > memory is just manipulated as an array. I hope I'm clear on the > explanation. > > Now, there is in fact a difference in using an array of 4byte vs. 4byte. > The memory usage will still be the same (because the memory is > allocated to have an certain number of bit anyway), but instead of > accessing part of this big number and manipulating it using 1byte > chunk, it's faster to do so using 4byte chunk (or even 8byte chunk > on 64bit computer), because the computer internally is anyway > going to really manipulate 4byte numbers. > > I hope it clarifies, (but we are way off-topic on this thread) > > Quôc > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > I was thinking mostly in terms of wasted storage. 4 byte spent for > > each integer versus only 1 byte (or less if using compression > > techniques) is definitely a waste. How can calculation theoretically > > be faster with a longer representation? Maybe they're same speed on > > most systems, but even then space is wasted if using integer vs byte > > for instance. > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der > > Blonk" <blonkm@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > > > > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Of course it's inefficient to use datatype integer for each > > element > > > > > of the array. Better would be byte or smallint or equivalent, > > > > > otherwise much space (and speed) is wasted. > > > > > > > > Wrong. Very wrong. > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > To fill in the gap here (and hopefully correct) you mean that it's > > not > > > about what type of value is stored, but how the calculation is > > done. > > > Using hex or binary a base 16 or base 2 can be used, which makes it > > as > > > efficient as possible for a machine that cna only work in binary. > > > > > > Likewise for a human the most efficient method is to work in the > > > decimal system (if you use your 10 fingers that is). > > > > > > comments? > > > > > > Michiel > > > > > > > > > >

I have been following this topic still, even though I am not a programmer (which Stefan correctly predicted) ;-) I think it is interesting to see the different methods of how to handle larger numbers in computation. I still have a question though, which Lucas did a lot to help answer already. Here is the part of one of Lucas' posts that I am referring to: > Basically, I'm just guessing that primes will be really rare, and probably > about as rare as regular primes. So that'd give about a probability of > primality of 1 in 9n^2 (actually, closer to n^2*Log[24!/(4!^6)]/4) to Cu[n]. > That means that the chances around n=1000 are about 1 in 10^7. > I'm not sure that I'm manipulating infinite products correctly, but under > the assumption that these numbers are as likely to be prime as any other of > their size, I find that the probability that >any< number above n=11 yields > a prime is less than 1% > In fact, the probability that any of these numbers>1 is a prime at all is > about 7%, and the fact that there are three such numbers doesn't change > that. It just suggests that the assumptions may not be warranted. (Again, > I'm not so sure about the rigor of this, but taking in to account that > knowing the numbers are not divisible by any prime up to 23 can possibly > change these to 6% and 37%). I wasn't too formal, but at least I convinced > myself :-) > At least the probability that there is a prime does NOT go to 100% as n goes > to infinity, though its limit is a bit of a matter of definition. > > My point: I don't expect to see another Scrambled Rubik's Constant Prime. What has me curious is the idea of a way to prove whether or not there are an infinite number of Scrambled Rubik's Constant primes (to use Lucas' term here since it is much shorter). I mean can we assume that there are a finite number of Scrambled Rubik's constant primes and try to lead that to a contradiction? I haven't really studied number theory with much rigor, other than what I saw in my combinatorics class about using modular arithmetic with prime numbers for code breaking and such, and just little things I've learned here and there. Can anyone suggest any reading I could do to try to learn more about primes? Is the level of this Scrambled Rubik's Constant prime problem so difficult it would probably require a math PhD or University researcher to figure out, or could an amateur math enthusiast like me sketch out a proof using contradiction or some other more rudimentary method? That is my main question really. What I am concerned about is whether or not there are an infinite number of Scrambled Rubik's Constant primes or a finite number. If there are a finite number I would find that absolutely fascinating, and would also be curious as to exactly how many there are. Yes I know I am asking a lot of questions, but I find this topic fascinating. Chris

I put 3 pages of photos here: http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/Photos-1525.html I'll have my videos up shortly, and you're welcome to them. Also, I captured every single solve from the 3x3x3 finals with Dan Dzoan's camcorder. So hopefully those will appear soon. You could hear a pin drop during most of those solves, even though the room was quite full! The best Stefan "Popmann" video was taken from Adam Zamora's camera. He was sitting on the floor and captured it really well. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" <richard16meyer@...> wrote: > > Hey, did anyone take a lot of videos of the US Open? If so, please > send any and all videos to me, i'm going to make like a "highlight > film" of the competition. I'd especially like videos of all of > Stefan's pops if anyone has those, and the OH world record, plus > pretty much any other video. Thanks! > > (my email is richard16meyer@...) >

I've been learning it from Cubefreaks site. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > What site do you learn the 3-cycle meathod from? > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: practice and take it easy. relax. im also learning how to solve it blindfolded, my personal best being 4min and 51 sec. > > if you got some good acronyms to remember the numbers it is helpful. > > --John LWin. > > Aili Asikainen <aili.asikainen@...> wrote: > I have been trying to learn 3-cycle method for solving the cube > blindfolded, but I just can't do it. I understand the method and can > solve the cube with that method eyes open but when I close my eyes I > can't do it. Is there an easier method or do I just have to forget > blidfolded cubing? > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > > > --------------------------------- > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Ok, breaking my previous promise :-P Chris, make a postulate, conjecture, theorem. Claim to fame ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I have been following this topic still, even though I am not a > programmer (which Stefan correctly predicted) ;-) > > I think it is interesting to see the different methods of how to > handle larger numbers in computation. I still have a question though, > which Lucas did a lot to help answer already. > > Here is the part of one of Lucas' posts that I am referring to: > > > Basically, I'm just guessing that primes will be really rare, and > probably > > about as rare as regular primes. So that'd give about a probability of > > primality of 1 in 9n^2 (actually, closer to n^2*Log[24!/(4!^6)]/4) > to Cu[n]. > > That means that the chances around n=1000 are about 1 in 10^7. > > I'm not sure that I'm manipulating infinite products correctly, but > under > > the assumption that these numbers are as likely to be prime as any > other of > > their size, I find that the probability that >any< number above n=11 > yields > > a prime is less than 1% > > In fact, the probability that any of these numbers>1 is a prime at > all is > > about 7%, and the fact that there are three such numbers doesn't change > > that. It just suggests that the assumptions may not be warranted. > (Again, > > I'm not so sure about the rigor of this, but taking in to account that > > knowing the numbers are not divisible by any prime up to 23 can > possibly > > change these to 6% and 37%). I wasn't too formal, but at least I > convinced > > myself :-) > > At least the probability that there is a prime does NOT go to 100% > as n goes > > to infinity, though its limit is a bit of a matter of definition. > > > > My point: I don't expect to see another Scrambled Rubik's Constant > Prime. > > What has me curious is the idea of a way to prove whether or not there > are an infinite number of Scrambled Rubik's Constant primes (to use > Lucas' term here since it is much shorter). > > I mean can we assume that there are a finite number of Scrambled > Rubik's constant primes and try to lead that to a contradiction? I > haven't really studied number theory with much rigor, other than what > I saw in my combinatorics class about using modular arithmetic with > prime numbers for code breaking and such, and just little things I've > learned here and there. > > Can anyone suggest any reading I could do to try to learn more about > primes? Is the level of this Scrambled Rubik's Constant prime problem > so difficult it would probably require a math PhD or University > researcher to figure out, or could an amateur math enthusiast like me > sketch out a proof using contradiction or some other more rudimentary > method? > > That is my main question really. What I am concerned about is whether > or not there are an infinite number of Scrambled Rubik's Constant > primes or a finite number. If there are a finite number I would find > that absolutely fascinating, and would also be curious as to exactly > how many there are. > > Yes I know I am asking a lot of questions, but I find this topic > fascinating. > > Chris >

Then you probably practiced it about 3 weeks more than me. Seriously, I just think the reason it's low is that it's not at many North American events (this and Worlds 2003). I think it's great for an event and I'll try to include it in any competition I hold. Bryan Logan Pyraminx NAR Holder :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > Pyraminx, you north Americans must start to work on that thing =) > > A 21 second average is the NAR!? It took me about a month of practice > from scratch (including developing a good method) to reach 15 second > averages and I'm not a fast cuber. > > Come on guys :P > > // Kenneth >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > I suggest we stop this topic here it's WAY off topic :D Bah!, I continue =) The Motorola MC68x00 family processors has got a built in "BCD" format BCD = "binary coded decimal". The format is splitting the bytes into nibbles and stores a decimal number in each of them = two decimals per byte (basicly hex digits but only using numbers 0-9). It also has got special instructions for handling arithmetics on these. Maybe not fast as binary operations but pretty OK and it saves memory. // Kenneth

Hi :-) Very nice photo series :D Those hexagonally packed cubes (4x4x4) are those the new modified version from rubiks.com? I haven't seen that packaging before ... -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I put 3 pages of photos here: > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/Photos-1525.html > > I'll have my videos up shortly, and you're welcome to them. Also, I > captured every single solve from the 3x3x3 finals with Dan Dzoan's > camcorder. So hopefully those will appear soon. You could hear a > pin drop during most of those solves, even though the room was quite > full! > > The best Stefan "Popmann" video was taken from Adam Zamora's camera. > He was sitting on the floor and captured it really well. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" > <richard16meyer@> wrote: > > > > Hey, did anyone take a lot of videos of the US Open? If so, please > > send any and all videos to me, i'm going to make like a "highlight > > film" of the competition. I'd especially like videos of all of > > Stefan's pops if anyone has those, and the OH world record, plus > > pretty much any other video. Thanks! > > > > (my email is richard16meyer@) > > >

I was curious if anyone lives in Las Vegas? If so who are you and what are your times?

In the spirit of Per's remark I call this Hardwick's conjecture: 1) The number of Scrambled Rubik's Constant primes is infinite It seems as if this would be the case, but as this is a conjecture I obviously have no proof of it, which is what I am interested in trying to find. Maybe this would relate to the conjecture that the Mersenne primes are infinite. Mersenne primes are 1 away from a highly divisible number, which is what happens for Scrambled Rubik's Constant primes. I am writing this as my conjecture half as a joke respone to Per's comment, but I seriously do want to know the answer to this question. So I guess in a sense I really am serious, is there a way to prove whether my conjecture is true or false? Would it be shown in a similar way to any approach to prove that the Mersenne primes are infinite, assuming this conjecture is ever proved in our lifetime? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Ok, breaking my previous promise :-P > > Chris, make a postulate, conjecture, theorem. > Claim to fame ;-) > > -Per

well i've been cubing with a generic cube for several years, and its finally worn it. it was a good buy, especially for a beginner, but now that im advanced, i need to get a 3x3 cube thats built for speed and durability does anyone have any recommendations? on the cube, and maybe even which brand of silicone lubricant is good thanks for any feedback - JC

For store bought cubes, you have to be lucky if you want a speedcube. Get a DIY if you aren't the lucky one or too lazy to buy silicon based lubricant. The brand I use is CRC Heavy Duty (it's in a red can).. Very good brand, and if you were to try my Revenge, you'll see why. James Bao Chung <onejameschung@...> wrote: well i've been cubing with a generic cube for several years, and its finally worn it. it was a good buy, especially for a beginner, but now that im advanced, i need to get a 3x3 cube thats built for speed and durability does anyone have any recommendations? on the cube, and maybe even which brand of silicone lubricant is good thanks for any feedback - JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Jos Walbeehm" <walbeehm@...> wrote: > > As for using bytes or smallints, it's wrong to use those instead > because lots of commonly used CPUs do a lot of operations on 8-bit, > 16-bit, 32-bit, etc. units at the same speed. So doing it on 8-bit > units would be 4 times slower than doing the same operation on 32- bit > units. Depends on the operation. Addition and subtraction indeed would take four times as much time because they obviously have linear complexity. But if you're doing multiplication or division, the factor increases, to 16 in case of the naive algorithm (the one we learned in elementary school, with quadratic complexity), less in case of better algorithms like Karatsuba and very large numbers. I'm not sure about division/roots/etc, but it could be even more costly. Since most interesting stuff you want to do with large numbers is not just addition and subtraction but also includes multiplication and division, the overall runtime is dominated by those slower operations. Thus for the normal programmer implementing just the simple elementary school algorithms, expect a time factor somewhat close to 16 if you choose 8-bit digits instead of 32-bit digits. Cheers! Stefan

> I mean can we assume that there are a finite number of Scrambled > Rubik's constant primes and try to lead that to a contradiction? I > haven't really studied number theory with much rigor, other than what > I saw in my combinatorics class about using modular arithmetic with > prime numbers for code breaking and such, and just little things I've > learned here and there. I really don't think so. I really, really, really, really think that the Scrambled Rubik's Constants are not anything special except each being 1 less than a number highly divisible by primes up to 23 (and having a few other definitional properties). That, of course, suggests that especially the lower numbers are more likely to be prime, of which three are... Number theory really seems useless for this; group theory and general cube theory seem like they have more to say (about each individual n). If you're wondering why I have such a strong negative opinion on this, look at Mersenne primes, for example: They're also (large products)-1, and only because of their power-of-2 structure (I think) is there a reasonably good recursive test for primality. (GIMPS, anyone? I'm checking 2^37,534,969-1 :-) But no one has been able to do any proofs by contradiction, infinite descent, induction, or anything else, conclusively proving their abundance (finite or infinite). And if mathematicians considering these "nice" numbers for years have not been able to do anything, is there any reason to believe we can find something here? I'd advocate working either on the constants themselves, or primality checks/factoring in general. Does Jaap have any good ideas? > That is my main question really. What I am concerned about is whether > or not there are an infinite number of Scrambled Rubik's Constant > primes or a finite number. If there are a finite number I would find > that absolutely fascinating, and would also be curious as to exactly > how many there are. Keep in mind that the number may either be finite or infinite, though that may actually be impossible to prove. (Who else loves "G�del, Escher, Bach"?) I don't actually think it is impossible, but in math nowadays you can certainly be more certain about being uncertain than ever before :-) My statement of "definitely NOT" depends on a little assumption about the relative normality of Scrambled Rubik's Constants -but considering that I've never encountered good number-theoretical stuff like this, I don't think that reasoning is justifiable enough. See http://www.mersenne.org/math.htm, which links to http://primes.utm.edu/notes/faq/NextMersenne.html. Both have some good observations about Mersenne primes, but nothing there is actually proven... On another note, I investigated whether any Rubik's Constant (without the -1) is the product of others. This is not implausible, since they're all only divisible by the primes up to 23. But the answer is no: The highest power of 2 in the nth constant is: Cu[n,2] = -14 - 26*n + (35*n^2)/2 + 23*Mod[n, 2] The highest power of 13 (and 17, 19, and 23) in the nth constant is: Cu[n,13] = Floor[(-2*n + n^2)/4] (=Cu[n,17] =Cu[n,19] =Cu[n,23]) The ratio of Cu[n,2]/Cu[n,13] steadily declines toward 4 as n increases (if you're troubled by that this is infinite for n=2 and n=3, take the reciprocal and invert the argument tha way). For the product of several constants (c[1], c[2], c[3], c[4]...) to equal another (x), the sum of all the Cu[c[i],13] must equal Cu[x,13]. However, since Cu[n,2]/Cu[n,13] decreases, the sum of the Cu[c[i],2] will be larger than that of Cu[x,2] (for each amount of "three", there will be more "two" in each of the products than can in total fit into x). So, the powers of 2 and the powers of 13 in a product of Rubik's Constants can never both match those of another, and no product of Rubik's Constants can equal another at. (And this proof IS correct - no guesses or assumptions here) Still open is if the product of one set of constants can equal that of another. If someone wants the factorizations of the constants up to some large n (the rows are the exponents of 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, and 23, delimited by commas and spacing): http://cube.garron.us/theory/rubiksfactors.txt -Lucas Garron

Henceforth, let the following statement be known as Garron's Refutation (of Hardwick's Conjecture): 1) The number of Scrambled Rubik's Constant primes is finite I hereby offer a single scrambled 3x3x3 Rubik's Cube for a proof of Hardwick's Conjecture, and two solved cubes for a proof of Garron's Refutation. No cubes for anything showing impossibility of proof or meta-stuff like that... And I offer a 1x1x1, 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5, 6x6x6, and 7x7x7 for a proof of the primality of Rubik's Constant (regular, n=3; i.e. 43252003274489856000) -Lucas Garron ----- Original Message ----- From: "cmhardw" > In the spirit of Per's remark I call this Hardwick's conjecture: > > 1) The number of Scrambled Rubik's Constant primes is infinite

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Lucas G." <lucasg@...> wrote: > > On another note, I investigated whether any Rubik's Constant (without > the -1) is the product of others. This is not implausible, since they're all > only divisible by the primes up to 23. But the answer is no: c[42] = c[42] * c[1] Cheers! Stefan

I tried some numbers from Jaap's page, but I can only find a few primes: The number of unsolved positions of the Hapern-Meier Pyramid (http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/pyraminx.htm): 3732479 The number on unsolved rectangular positions of a Rubik's Magic: 31 And the US 5x5x5 patent number (4600199) is prime :-) http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/cube5.htm http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/patents.htm -Lucas Garron

The hex packaging is new, but the cubes inside are still the same. Actually I think they may have updated the logo for the big cubes, too, but the mech. is still the same-- for now. According to Winning Moves, the updated mechanism should appear in stores around August 2007. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Very nice photo series :D > > Those hexagonally packed cubes (4x4x4) are those the new modified > version from rubiks.com? I haven't seen that packaging before ... > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I put 3 pages of photos here: > > > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/Photos-1525.html > > > > I'll have my videos up shortly, and you're welcome to them. Also, > I > > captured every single solve from the 3x3x3 finals with Dan Dzoan's > > camcorder. So hopefully those will appear soon. You could hear a > > pin drop during most of those solves, even though the room was > quite > > full! > > > > The best Stefan "Popmann" video was taken from Adam Zamora's > camera. > > He was sitting on the floor and captured it really well. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" > > <richard16meyer@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey, did anyone take a lot of videos of the US Open? If so, please > > > send any and all videos to me, i'm going to make like a "highlight > > > film" of the competition. I'd especially like videos of all of > > > Stefan's pops if anyone has those, and the OH world record, plus > > > pretty much any other video. Thanks! > > > > > > (my email is richard16meyer@) > > > > > >

Suggestion and request: Can we tag all US Open 2007 videos on Youtube with "usopen2007" to make them easier to find? Chris

Check out mitchell stern's videos of the US open: http://opticubes.com/videos.php --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The hex packaging is new, but the cubes inside are still the same. > Actually I think they may have updated the logo for the big cubes, > too, but the mech. is still the same-- for now. According to Winning > Moves, the updated mechanism should appear in stores around August > 2007. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > Very nice photo series :D > > > > Those hexagonally packed cubes (4x4x4) are those the new modified > > version from rubiks.com? I haven't seen that packaging before ... > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > I put 3 pages of photos here: > > > > > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/Photos-1525.html > > > > > > I'll have my videos up shortly, and you're welcome to them. > Also, > > I > > > captured every single solve from the 3x3x3 finals with Dan > Dzoan's > > > camcorder. So hopefully those will appear soon. You could hear > a > > > pin drop during most of those solves, even though the room was > > quite > > > full! > > > > > > The best Stefan "Popmann" video was taken from Adam Zamora's > > camera. > > > He was sitting on the floor and captured it really well. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" > > > <richard16meyer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, did anyone take a lot of videos of the US Open? If so, > please > > > > send any and all videos to me, i'm going to make like > a "highlight > > > > film" of the competition. I'd especially like videos of all of > > > > Stefan's pops if anyone has those, and the OH world record, plus > > > > pretty much any other video. Thanks! > > > > > > > > (my email is richard16meyer@) > > > > > > > > > >

Hi :-) Thanx for the info. How will we know whether we are buying the old or new version (if from a local store). Will there be yet another new packaging or at least a sticker indicating it's the new version? Hmm ... -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The hex packaging is new, but the cubes inside are still the same. > Actually I think they may have updated the logo for the big cubes, > too, but the mech. is still the same-- for now. According to Winning > Moves, the updated mechanism should appear in stores around August > 2007. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > Very nice photo series :D > > > > Those hexagonally packed cubes (4x4x4) are those the new modified > > version from rubiks.com? I haven't seen that packaging before ... > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > I put 3 pages of photos here: > > > > > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/Photos-1525.html > > > > > > I'll have my videos up shortly, and you're welcome to them. > Also, > > I > > > captured every single solve from the 3x3x3 finals with Dan > Dzoan's > > > camcorder. So hopefully those will appear soon. You could hear > a > > > pin drop during most of those solves, even though the room was > > quite > > > full! > > > > > > The best Stefan "Popmann" video was taken from Adam Zamora's > > camera. > > > He was sitting on the floor and captured it really well. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" > > > <richard16meyer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, did anyone take a lot of videos of the US Open? If so, > please > > > > send any and all videos to me, i'm going to make like > a "highlight > > > > film" of the competition. I'd especially like videos of all of > > > > Stefan's pops if anyone has those, and the OH world record, plus > > > > pretty much any other video. Thanks! > > > > > > > > (my email is richard16meyer@) > > > > > > > > > >

It's in the early planning stages now, but I want to get a feel for numbers. Who here would be able to attend a competition: 1) If it was in the Twin Cities somewhere? 2) If it was in Rochester? And if you answered no to both, don't bother continuing :) 3) Would you be willing to scramble/judge? 4) What events would you like to see? No, there's not a date set yet, but perhaps looking at this fall. This is just very early planning, and I want to get a feel for who's out there. There's no need to post your response back to the group, just e-mail me directly. Thanks.

Hey, 1) I would prefer Twin Cities. I myself live in Shoreview; The Twin Cities would be about 20 or so minutes, vs 1+ hour. 3)I *would* be willing to scramble/judge, but only if I got to do so in addition to compete. 4)What events? Hmm, I'm quite amateur at solving twisty-type puzzles now, so at least for me, all I would like to see is the classic 3x3x3. I am starting to learn blindfold solving, so that event would be nice too, even if I am not competing [that is, if someone can actually blindfold solve here in the states.] You might want to make another post at Twistypuzzles.com 's forum, because I know there's a handful of members there. Anyway, keep me posting at Tranceriver [at] Gmail.com and let me know what happens. Mike Carroll --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amiejl1981 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > It's in the early planning stages now, but I want to get a feel for > numbers. Who here would be able to attend a competition: > > 1) If it was in the Twin Cities somewhere? > 2) If it was in Rochester? > > And if you answered no to both, don't bother continuing :) > > 3) Would you be willing to scramble/judge? > 4) What events would you like to see? > > No, there's not a date set yet, but perhaps looking at this fall. > This is just very early planning, and I want to get a feel for who's > out there. > > There's no need to post your response back to the group, just e-mail > me directly. > > Thanks. >

buy me a ticket and i will be there. :D --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amiejl1981 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > It's in the early planning stages now, but I want to get a feel for > numbers. Who here would be able to attend a competition: > > 1) If it was in the Twin Cities somewhere? > 2) If it was in Rochester? > > And if you answered no to both, don't bother continuing :) > > 3) Would you be willing to scramble/judge? > 4) What events would you like to see? > > No, there's not a date set yet, but perhaps looking at this fall. > This is just very early planning, and I want to get a feel for who's > out there. > > There's no need to post your response back to the group, just e-mail > me directly. > > Thanks. >

I agree with Bob. And yes Mike, the States have a plethora of blindfold cubers. Brian Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: buy me a ticket and i will be there. :D --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amiejl1981 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > It's in the early planning stages now, but I want to get a feel for > numbers. Who here would be able to attend a competition: > > 1) If it was in the Twin Cities somewhere? > 2) If it was in Rochester? > > And if you answered no to both, don't bother continuing :) > > 3) Would you be willing to scramble/judge? > 4) What events would you like to see? > > No, there's not a date set yet, but perhaps looking at this fall. > This is just very early planning, and I want to get a feel for who's > out there. > > There's no need to post your response back to the group, just e-mail > me directly. > > Thanks. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This may sound like a weird question, but could anyone describe to me the way they scramble their cube 'pseudorandomly' using fingertricky stuff? (Not using a computer, just scrambling without knowing the scramble.) 1) I saw Dan's F2LExample video located here: http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/videos/F2LExamples1.wmv ; and he scrambles .. unbelievably quickly. 2) Here's another video which the cube just scrambles like magic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gM4Cy4lQXJ8 (I know this isn't a real scramble.) I'm not sure exactly how 'teachable' this is, but could someone provide some general algorithms or 'nice' finger tricks that flow really well together? Tips on how to make the cube look like it's scrambling *really* quickly? Video tutorial or something? Some of my 'scrambling' short-snippits type finger trick mixing algorithms go sort of like: [D R' D U] done in the Z-perm way like Dan Knight's alg ; [R' U R' U] finger trick followthrough with pinky on last U I mess around with stuff like a bunch of M's with my third right finger, and (third finger-middle right finger) to to M2' mixed with random U's and U2's done with my left index. I mix these up in a random sense which gives me a random scramble. I hope this is making some sense. So if someone could give me some tips or things like that, that would be excellent. I see some people scrambling the cube extremely fast, and I'd love to be able to do that. Perhaps some finger tricks that run extremely smoothly together without any regrips and that uses all faces to look like the cube is being 100% completely mixed? I have a 9spuzzles.com DIY lubricated cube, so I should have a great cube to be able to do difficult smooth moves. Let me know! Thanks very much, Mike Carroll

Has anyone gotten CALCubeTimer to work with the newer stackmats (the ones with the time and date displays)? I seem to remember someone mentioned it doesn't work with the new stackmats, but don't recall if that was ever resolved. I ask this now because I only just got the cable and adapter to connect my stackmat to my computer, only to be disappointed when CALCubeTimer didn't recognize it. I played around with the configuration settings (including setting the "stackmat value" to random numbers between 1 and 70) but nothing seems to help. Shelley

What does a high school speedcuber do in his spare time during summer? Help other speedcubers, even though he isn't the best. I use the tips of my fingers to scramble. Whenver I scramble, people's jaws just drop down (I love seeing that). I scramble with my right fingers and hold with my left hand. Have your right thumb on FE on the R slice and your ring, middle, and forefinger on B in the natural hand position. Do the same with your left hand on L. An "algorithm" I use is (U D' R' F R) and repeat it as many times as I feel like doing. Once in a while, I regrip and repeat. Occasionally, I'll add some U', L, or do something with my left hand. Sometimes, I do l (thats lowercase L), do my "algorithm", and repeat. Regrip, etc. You get the idea. For my fingers, I use my right forefinger for U. I then follow through with my ring finger with D' and immedieatly do R'. Near the end of R' I use my forefinger and pull F, then turn back to R using my whole wrist. I repeat, then regrip whatever way, add some stuff with my left hand, etc. You can also do this with your left hand: just mirror whatever was described. I do it on my right because I'm right handed. Hope it helped. Brian Mike Carroll <TranceRiver@...> wrote: This may sound like a weird question, but could anyone describe to me the way they scramble their cube 'pseudorandomly' using fingertricky stuff? (Not using a computer, just scrambling without knowing the scramble.) 1) I saw Dan's F2LExample video located here: http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/videos/F2LExamples1.wmv ; and he scrambles .. unbelievably quickly. 2) Here's another video which the cube just scrambles like magic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gM4Cy4lQXJ8 (I know this isn't a real scramble.) I'm not sure exactly how 'teachable' this is, but could someone provide some general algorithms or 'nice' finger tricks that flow really well together? Tips on how to make the cube look like it's scrambling *really* quickly? Video tutorial or something? Some of my 'scrambling' short-snippits type finger trick mixing algorithms go sort of like: [D R' D U] done in the Z-perm way like Dan Knight's alg ; [R' U R' U] finger trick followthrough with pinky on last U I mess around with stuff like a bunch of M's with my third right finger, and (third finger-middle right finger) to to M2' mixed with random U's and U2's done with my left index. I mix these up in a random sense which gives me a random scramble. I hope this is making some sense. So if someone could give me some tips or things like that, that would be excellent. I see some people scrambling the cube extremely fast, and I'd love to be able to do that. Perhaps some finger tricks that run extremely smoothly together without any regrips and that uses all faces to look like the cube is being 100% completely mixed? I have a 9spuzzles.com DIY lubricated cube, so I should have a great cube to be able to do difficult smooth moves. Let me know! Thanks very much, Mike Carroll [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> 1) I would prefer Twin Cities. I myself live in Shoreview; The Twin > Cities would be about 20 or so minutes, vs 1+ hour. Yes, I think everyone would prefer the Twin Cities, but the reason for having Rochester as a second place location is that I might be able to get a really cheap venue (depending on the numbers, I wouldn't want a large venue if there's not that many people, because that would hurt our chances for subsequent events). Besides, it's only an hour drive, and I don't think that's too much of a sacrifice for people to drive. > You might want to make another post at Twistypuzzles.com 's forum, > because I know there's a handful of members there. Already did. > Anyway, keep me posting at Tranceriver [at] Gmail.com and let me know > what happens. Doh. Stupid Yahoo isn't displaying my address in the web interface for replying. Oh well.... send me a note to cuber#logan.cc

I'm a vegas cuber(actually I live in Green Valley). I use fridrich and average around 22-23secs. Do you have yahoo, msn, icq, or aim? >From: "mistiz0858" <mistizo858@...> >Reply-To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com >To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Speed cubing group] Las Vegas Cubers >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:21:24 -0000 > >I was curious if anyone lives in Las Vegas? If so who are you and what >are your times? > _________________________________________________________________ Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play & win glamorous prizes. http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3

I'm pretty sure mine's a gen2; it doesn't work on a mac, no matter what the value (I have experimented with them all). It functions fine on a PC though, and with the default stackmat value. What OS are you running? The issue with the mac is a strange one. CCT only recognizes the stackmat with values of 1-7, and even then it flips out, displaying and recording many seemingly random numbers. This happens both when the 15.165.165 checkbox is on and off, regardless. Of course, this may be superfluous, depending on your OS. On 6/21/07, aznseashell <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Has anyone gotten CALCubeTimer to work with the newer stackmats (the > ones with the time and date displays)? I seem to remember someone > mentioned it doesn't work with the new stackmats, but don't recall if > that was ever resolved. > > I ask this now because I only just got the cable and adapter to > connect my stackmat to my computer, only to be disappointed when > CALCubeTimer didn't recognize it. I played around with the > configuration settings (including setting the "stackmat value" to > random numbers between 1 and 70) but nothing seems to help. > > Shelley > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I do stuff like R U' l' U or R U' L' U a lot, that's my smoothest sequence probably, and I do stuff like R2 U' which follows into a z rotation (rotating as though doing F). Quite often I'll do a U2 D' by doing U' D' at once with my left index on U' and right ring on D' then doing the other U' while I regrip for an R' F or something with my right hand. Often I'll end with an R2 since I usually let go of the cube with my right hand after doing that (depending on my grip), and then I can just hold it with my left and look at it. I'd never really thought about that before. This kind of stuff is really individual to each cuber and what kind of moves they like doing. I'd say just do a bunch of algorithms and see what fingertricks flow nicely for you. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Carroll" <TranceRiver@...> wrote: > > This may sound like a weird question, but could anyone describe to me > the way they scramble their cube 'pseudorandomly' using fingertricky > stuff? (Not using a computer, just scrambling without knowing the > scramble.) > > 1) I saw Dan's F2LExample video located here: > http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/videos/F2LExamples1.wmv ; and he > scrambles .. unbelievably quickly. > > 2) Here's another video which the cube just scrambles like magic: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=gM4Cy4lQXJ8 (I know this isn't a real > scramble.) > > I'm not sure exactly how 'teachable' this is, but could someone > provide some general algorithms or 'nice' finger tricks that flow > really well together? Tips on how to make the cube look like it's > scrambling *really* quickly? Video tutorial or something? > > Some of my 'scrambling' short-snippits type finger trick mixing > algorithms go sort of like: > > [D R' D U] done in the Z-perm way like Dan Knight's alg ; > > [R' U R' U] finger trick followthrough with pinky on last U > > I mess around with stuff like a bunch of M's with my third right > finger, and (third finger-middle right finger) to to M2' mixed with > random U's and U2's done with my left index. I mix these up in a > random sense which > gives me a random scramble. > > I hope this is making some sense. So if someone could give me some > tips or things like that, that would be excellent. I see some people > scrambling the cube extremely fast, and I'd love to be able to do > that. Perhaps some finger tricks that run extremely smoothly together > without any regrips and that uses all faces to look like the cube is > being 100% completely mixed? > > I have a 9spuzzles.com DIY lubricated cube, so I should have a great > cube to be able to do difficult smooth moves. > > Let me know! Thanks very much, > > Mike Carroll >

Is there any known problem with Teflon silicone spray? My cube does get gunked up sometimes, but I think it's probably the cube dust...store-bought cube, so I probably need to grind down the springs a little.

I'm running Linux. I just tried it under Windows, and there it does recognize the stackmat's on/off state, but that's it. The time stays at 0 no matter what I do with the stackmat. Is your stackmat the new one that can store best times in memory? Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander J Goldberg" <ajgold04@...> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure mine's a gen2; it doesn't work on a mac, no matter what the > value (I have experimented with them all). > It functions fine on a PC though, and with the default stackmat value. > What OS are you running? > > The issue with the mac is a strange one. > CCT only recognizes the stackmat with values of 1-7, > and even then it flips out, displaying and recording many seemingly random > numbers. > This happens both when the 15.165.165 checkbox is on and off, regardless. > > Of course, this may be superfluous, depending on your OS. > > > > On 6/21/07, aznseashell <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Has anyone gotten CALCubeTimer to work with the newer stackmats (the > > ones with the time and date displays)? I seem to remember someone > > mentioned it doesn't work with the new stackmats, but don't recall if > > that was ever resolved. > > > > I ask this now because I only just got the cable and adapter to > > connect my stackmat to my computer, only to be disappointed when > > CALCubeTimer didn't recognize it. I played around with the > > configuration settings (including setting the "stackmat value" to > > random numbers between 1 and 70) but nothing seems to help. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Yes mine stores times, and obviously has the output. Strange. I've not tried CCT on Linux yet. Anybody have comments? If you receive no help here, e-mail Ryan at cubetimer@... He may have a solution. On 6/21/07, aznseashell <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I'm running Linux. I just tried it under Windows, and there it does > recognize the stackmat's on/off state, but that's it. The time stays > at 0 no matter what I do with the stackmat. > > Is your stackmat the new one that can store best times in memory? > > Shelley > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Alexander J Goldberg" > > <ajgold04@...> wrote: > > > > I'm pretty sure mine's a gen2; it doesn't work on a mac, no matter > what the > > value (I have experimented with them all). > > It functions fine on a PC though, and with the default stackmat value. > > What OS are you running? > > > > The issue with the mac is a strange one. > > CCT only recognizes the stackmat with values of 1-7, > > and even then it flips out, displaying and recording many seemingly > random > > numbers. > > This happens both when the 15.165.165 checkbox is on and off, > regardless. > > > > Of course, this may be superfluous, depending on your OS. > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, aznseashell <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone gotten CALCubeTimer to work with the newer stackmats (the > > > ones with the time and date displays)? I seem to remember someone > > > mentioned it doesn't work with the new stackmats, but don't recall if > > > that was ever resolved. > > > > > > I ask this now because I only just got the cable and adapter to > > > connect my stackmat to my computer, only to be disappointed when > > > CALCubeTimer didn't recognize it. I played around with the > > > configuration settings (including setting the "stackmat value" to > > > random numbers between 1 and 70) but nothing seems to help. > > > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I live in northern california and wants a white DIY and maybe a black one too. The closest tournament is Caltech winter up here.. If maybe you can hold them til then? I hope we can work something out. -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" <devin1891@...> wrote: > > Well i am not going to drive all the way to no cal for 1 cube but if > there is a competition there I would be able to or if there is one > down here you could come to. > > ~devin > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le > <khoale1234567@> wrote: > > > > I live in north Cali. I might want to buy one, but my parents hate > speedcubing T_T. They say I have "too many cubes" when I only have two > store bought 3x3 and other stuff, which aren't very good (the 3x3)... > > > > devin1891 <devin1891@> wrote: we could set up a meeting > time and place or at a competition (note i > > don't plan on reshipping these its mostly meant for people who live > > close in southern California). > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" > > <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > > > How can we pay? > > > > > > -Corwin > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" > > > <devin1891@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, I am making a relatively large order from 9spuzzles and will be > > > > selling D.I.Y. kits(A) for $11 (black) or $13 (colored/white) each. > > > > > > > > I am mostly getting black and white ones, but am willing to get a > > > > certain number or color or other puzzles (by request) by Friday, > when > > > > I place the order. > > > > > > > > I live in South Pasadena, CA, and you can contact me via email at > > > > devin1891@ or by replying to this message. > > > > > > > > Also, I just wanted to get an idea of how many to order; I was going > > > > to get around 40 black and 10 white kits but may order more if i > get a > > > > large response. > > > > > > > > As for where this money is going: basically, I need to break even. > > > > Then if I get any more money, the first $100 will go into my pocket > > > > and anything else will go to our school club which will probably be > > > > spent on Stackmats so we may hold a competition. > > > > > > > > ~devin C-R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

I'll be in Minnesota until August 11. If it's anywhere near the twin cities, I'll make it. -BM Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: buy me a ticket and i will be there. :D --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amiejl1981 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > It's in the early planning stages now, but I want to get a feel for > numbers. Who here would be able to attend a competition: > > 1) If it was in the Twin Cities somewhere? > 2) If it was in Rochester? > > And if you answered no to both, don't bother continuing :) > > 3) Would you be willing to scramble/judge? > 4) What events would you like to see? > > No, there's not a date set yet, but perhaps looking at this fall. > This is just very early planning, and I want to get a feel for who's > out there. > > There's no need to post your response back to the group, just e-mail > me directly. > > Thanks. > :) --Brent --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Shelley, I know it doesn't really help your cause, but I have the stackmat with the time/date displays and the memory, and I had no problems getting it to work, didn't have to change anything. But at least you know it does work. Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Has anyone gotten CALCubeTimer to work with the newer stackmats (the > ones with the time and date displays)? I seem to remember someone > mentioned it doesn't work with the new stackmats, but don't recall if > that was ever resolved. > > I ask this now because I only just got the cable and adapter to > connect my stackmat to my computer, only to be disappointed when > CALCubeTimer didn't recognize it. I played around with the > configuration settings (including setting the "stackmat value" to > random numbers between 1 and 70) but nothing seems to help. > > Shelley >

It seems pretty random if the timer works or not. Both me and my brother has got the 2 gen version timer and I'm using win98 and can't get anything to work. It does not even respond to what my sond capture channel is and if I choose the proper one it does not save what I selected, it gets directly back to "non". My brother has got XP and there it does respond to the timer but only display random times no matter the settings. We both have Creative Sound Blaster audio cards. I would really like a version of CCT that connects to the serial port instead of the sound card, that must work much better. // Kenneth

where at in sc are you, im from anderson --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "heretocube <rolerknight1977@...>" <rolerknight1977@...> wrote: > > i'm gonna try this once more... are there any cubers out there from > the south carolina area i would love to get together and share > tricks... hope to hear from you... >

Yes that would be fine (also i think that Berkly fall would be before Caltech winter but yeah either way is fine). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" <aznspazboi@...> wrote: > > I live in northern california and wants a white DIY and maybe a black > one too. The closest tournament is Caltech winter up here.. If maybe > you can hold them til then? I hope we can work something out. > > -Corwin > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" > <devin1891@> wrote: > > > > Well i am not going to drive all the way to no cal for 1 cube but if > > there is a competition there I would be able to or if there is one > > down here you could come to. > > > > ~devin > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le > > <khoale1234567@> wrote: > > > > > > I live in north Cali. I might want to buy one, but my parents hate > > speedcubing T_T. They say I have "too many cubes" when I only have two > > store bought 3x3 and other stuff, which aren't very good (the 3x3)... > > > > > > devin1891 <devin1891@> wrote: we could set up a meeting > > time and place or at a competition (note i > > > don't plan on reshipping these its mostly meant for people who live > > > close in southern California). > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" > > > <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How can we pay? > > > > > > > > -Corwin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" > > > > <devin1891@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am making a relatively large order from 9spuzzles and > will be > > > > > selling D.I.Y. kits(A) for $11 (black) or $13 (colored/white) > each. > > > > > > > > > > I am mostly getting black and white ones, but am willing to get a > > > > > certain number or color or other puzzles (by request) by Friday, > > when > > > > > I place the order. > > > > > > > > > > I live in South Pasadena, CA, and you can contact me via email at > > > > > devin1891@ or by replying to this message. > > > > > > > > > > Also, I just wanted to get an idea of how many to order; I was > going > > > > > to get around 40 black and 10 white kits but may order more if i > > get a > > > > > large response. > > > > > > > > > > As for where this money is going: basically, I need to break even. > > > > > Then if I get any more money, the first $100 will go into my > pocket > > > > > and anything else will go to our school club which will > probably be > > > > > spent on Stackmats so we may hold a competition. > > > > > > > > > > ~devin C-R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Did you try increasing the input sound level? I had to put it close the maximum to make mine work. I hope it helps, Sven

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Did you try increasing the input sound level? I had to put it close > the maximum to make mine work. > > I hope it helps, > Sven > I tried everything including that. But it would only help my brother if it worked. My problem is that it does not select any sond capture channel for me and it does not respond to my manual settings, as i mentioned i my previous post. Dunno what to do about that. // Kenneth

I'm going to be in California in all of July and possibly into the beginning of August, and was wondering if there were going to be any competitions/meetings (unofficial or official) there during this time... It would be great to meet some people on the west coast (I live in PA). Jon Choi

I updated the sound card driver in Windows and now it works fine. It turns out that the Linux driver has issues with microphone sound capture, so I think that might be the issue. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Did you try increasing the input sound level? I had to put it close > > the maximum to make mine work. > > > > I hope it helps, > > Sven > > > > I tried everything including that. But it would only help my brother if > it worked. My problem is that it does not select any sond capture > channel for me and it does not respond to my manual settings, as i > mentioned i my previous post. Dunno what to do about that. > > // Kenneth >

I think it's more of an issue with the sound card/driver than it is with the timer themselves. Think about it, the same display works for all timers. I've gotten mine to run fine in Linux and Windows. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > It seems pretty random if the timer works or not. Both me and my > brother has got the 2 gen version timer and I'm using win98 and can't > get anything to work.

Hey Jon, Where in California? California is a bit large. It's a 6 hour drive from San Francisco to Los Angeles. -Tyson On 6/22/07, symbioticfear <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I'm going to be in California in all of July and possibly into the > beginning of August, and was wondering if there were going to be any > competitions/meetings (unofficial or official) there during this > time... It would be great to meet some people on the west coast (I > live in PA). > > Jon Choi > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I updated the sound card driver in Windows and now it works fine. > It turns out that the Linux driver has issues with microphone sound > capture, so I think that might be the issue. > > Shelley > Shelley, I'm glad to hear that you got it functioning under Windows. As I heard mentioned, any problems people are having are probably due to driver issues. I believe that soundcard drivers can get away with altering the signal in ways imperceptible to the human ear, but still mangling the signal in ways such that our program can't handle. This is a difficult problem for Ryan and I to fix, since we don't have the resources to test hundreds of soundcards. Ideally, we would develop some sort of USB connection with our own driver. This would hopefully eliminate many of the problems people have encountered. Don't think we haven't looked into it! As an interesting project for anyone looking for something to do, I noticed about a year ago that the stackmat's communication port is exactly the same as the comm. port for a TI-83 plus. TI sells (sold?) a silver USB cable for $20 (gah!) that I gave to Ryan. He spent last winter break trying to adapt the cable for use in our program. We figured interpreting the signal would be easy, since we had already "cracked the code". Unfortunately, we were never able to get any sort of raw data from the stackmat with the cable, not that we really knew what we were doing. Java has very limited USB support. Anyone with the cable, a stackmat, and some computer knowledge could spend some time figuring out how to get raw data from the stackmat. If you figure out how to do so (on any OS), let us know! I'd be glad to add support for such a feature to CCT. Jeremy Fleischman PS: For people who are unable to get CCT working with their stackmat, there are USB soundcards you can buy. This eliminates some of the variables in your setup, if you'd like to try to buy one. Ryan has some that are known to work on both his and my computer, in various OS's. I'll ask him to post the make/model here.

It doesn't really matter to me, honestly. I'll probably be all over the state. But I will be initially staying in the vicinity of Los Angeles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > Hey Jon, > > Where in California? California is a bit large. It's a 6 hour drive from > San Francisco to Los Angeles. > > -Tyson > > On 6/22/07, symbioticfear <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > I'm going to be in California in all of July and possibly into the > > beginning of August, and was wondering if there were going to be any > > competitions/meetings (unofficial or official) there during this > > time... It would be great to meet some people on the west coast (I > > live in PA). > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Just write me an e-mail, or let me know when you're in town. -Tyson On Jun 22, 2007, at 9:02 PM, symbioticfear wrote: > It doesn't really matter to me, honestly. I'll probably be all over > the state. > > But I will be initially staying in the vicinity of Los Angeles. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" > <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > > > Hey Jon, > > > > Where in California? California is a bit large. It's a 6 hour > drive from > > San Francisco to Los Angeles. > > > > -Tyson > > > > On 6/22/07, symbioticfear <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm going to be in California in all of July and possibly into the > > > beginning of August, and was wondering if there were going to be > any > > > competitions/meetings (unofficial or official) there during this > > > time... It would be great to meet some people on the west coast (I > > > live in PA). > > > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

I am currently studying Mr. Ryan Heise's method in solving the cube. The method that I used before shifting into this one was the Fridrich method. I managed to memorize all the algorithms for PLL and OLL, but I had to play with the cube often so as not to forget the algorithms. That seemed to be one of my sickness. Because of that, I decided to learn a method that would allow me to solve the cube without the help of any memorized sequences of moves. Enough of that short history of mine. :) My questions are these... 1) Can I also use the Heise method for speedsolving? I can go sub-35 with the Fridrich method before deciding the learn the Heise method. I'm just making sure that I won't waste my time learning this new method and that I can achieve the same thing (or even better ;)) with this method, even though I think that being able to solve the cube without using memorized sequences is a great thing... 2) I am trying to grasp the concept being used in the third part of the solution (the one that solves the edges and any two corners) but I can't still do it. I can do this step separately (solving the edges FIRST and THEN solving the two corners). What I want to learn is doing this entire stage using the advanced method (where one should make two pairs and then insert the remaining edges. Can anybody here tell me the strategies they use in doing the two pairs and inserting the edges? When I am doing this stage in my solves, I always feel that I am doing a lot of unnecessary turns, slowing down my time. I'm not even sub-2 (as in 2 minutes!) using this method. I think that learning the advanced method would lead me to sub-2 minute times and eventually even faster times. 3) After I learn the 3rd stage using your help, I would like to focus on the first stage of the Heise method. To those who can do the cube fast with this method, could you guys give me tips on doing this step faster. I think the problem with me is that I always have a hard time looking for the pieces that I need for the squares, especially the last two outer squares. Thank you in advance... ;) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Which town? ;) Jon Choi --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > Just write me an e-mail, or let me know when you're in town. > > -Tyson > > On Jun 22, 2007, at 9:02 PM, symbioticfear wrote: > > > It doesn't really matter to me, honestly. I'll probably be all over > > the state. > > > > But I will be initially staying in the vicinity of Los Angeles. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" > > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Jon, > > > > > > Where in California? California is a bit large. It's a 6 hour > > drive from > > > San Francisco to Los Angeles. > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > On 6/22/07, symbioticfear <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm going to be in California in all of July and possibly into the > > > > beginning of August, and was wondering if there were going to be > > any > > > > competitions/meetings (unofficial or official) there during this > > > > time... It would be great to meet some people on the west coast (I > > > > live in PA). > > > > > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >

I have never seen any speedcuber actually using the Heise method. I'm very interested in knowing if the method could be used at all to accomplish let's say sub 30s times. I did see Ryan's solve on the cube simulator which was very good, but I cannot tell if he used purely his own method. Anyone? Ryan maybe? Michiel http://rubikscubetutorial.com --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Neil John Ortega <ketsu_wa_ai_janai@...> wrote: [..] > Can I also use the Heise method for speedsolving? I can go sub-35 with [..]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "derangedwibble" <deranged.wibble@...> wrote: > >...store-bought cube, so I probably need to grind down the springs > a little. > If it is a newer Rubik's you can't do that bucause the centres are not fixed with a screw anymore. Nowdays they are using unreplaceable rivets instead. You will need a D.I.Y or a Rubik's Studio cube if you like to play with screws and springs =) Or, do as I did. I used a hacksaw to cut the rivets im my anny cube and then replaced the spider for an, really good, old 80's replica spider intead. It's my best speedcube so far. // Kenneth

Michiel van der Blonk wrote: > I have never seen any speedcuber actually using the Heise method. I'm > very interested in knowing if the method could be used at all to > accomplish let's say sub 30s times. I'm not very good at it, because I'm lazy so I usually just use easier techniques/methods (and I don't cube as much as I used to). But I just did an average using pure Heise: 24.95, (28.56), 25.36, 24.32, (27.71) => 24.88 That was OH, because I don't really like two-handed. So yes, sub-30 is indeed quite possible... I don't understand why people say that using less moves is slower. Especially because the ones who say things like that are Fridrich cubers who haven't really tried other methods so they just don't know what they are talking about. > I did see Ryan's solve on the cube simulator which was very good, but I > cannot tell if he used purely his own method. Those solves look like Heise to me, even though I don't always understand what's going on near the end. And I think he would've said if he's doing something else. -- Johannes Laire

Michiel van der Blonk wrote: > I did see Ryan's solve on the cube simulator which was very good, but > I cannot tell if he used purely his own method. > > Anyone? Ryan maybe? Yes, it's pure :-) > I'm very interested in knowing if the method could be used at all to > accomplish let's say sub 30s times. My best average with it so far is 28.36 seconds, although I'm quite slow and probably not a good person to measure. E.g. I'm in the 30-40 second range with Petrich (Petrus F2L + Fridrich LL). When I get time I'd like to write out my system for speed cubing. There are surprisingly very few patterns that you need to learn how to deal with, but they are not rigid patterns like in traditional systems. So, each pattern has a number of variations but if you know what to look for, you can easily spot it as the same pattern and apply the same strategy. As an example of what I mean, there are about 30 different configurations of the last 3 corners that can all be solved using the same pattern. Rather than learning and memorising 30 different algorithms, you need only learn one strategy and learn how to recognise the pattern in its different variations. Similarly, in the previous step when manipulating the two corner/edge pairs, there is a small set of patterns, each with many variations. Once you learn just a few strategies for how to solve this step, you can handle a wide variety of different situations. The speed cubing "system" that I have in mind would consist of a thought process, or a "decision tree". It would tell you "First look for this pattern; then do this strategy...", and so it would be a rather different approach from the usual exhaustive case table approaches. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

I may be interested in trying this out, but I've got my own Fridrich variant to test out first... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > Michiel van der Blonk wrote: > > > I did see Ryan's solve on the cube simulator which was very good, but > > I cannot tell if he used purely his own method. > > > > Anyone? Ryan maybe? > > Yes, it's pure :-) > > > I'm very interested in knowing if the method could be used at all to > > accomplish let's say sub 30s times. > > My best average with it so far is 28.36 seconds, although I'm quite > slow and probably not a good person to measure. E.g. I'm in the 30-40 > second range with Petrich (Petrus F2L + Fridrich LL). > > When I get time I'd like to write out my system for speed cubing. > There are surprisingly very few patterns that you need to learn how to > deal with, but they are not rigid patterns like in traditional > systems. So, each pattern has a number of variations but if you know > what to look for, you can easily spot it as the same pattern and apply > the same strategy. > > As an example of what I mean, there are about 30 different > configurations of the last 3 corners that can all be solved using the > same pattern. Rather than learning and memorising 30 different > algorithms, you need only learn one strategy and learn how to > recognise the pattern in its different variations. > > Similarly, in the previous step when manipulating the two corner/edge > pairs, there is a small set of patterns, each with many variations. > Once you learn just a few strategies for how to solve this step, you > can handle a wide variety of different situations. > > The speed cubing "system" that I have in mind would consist of a > thought process, or a "decision tree". It would tell you "First look > for this pattern; then do this strategy...", and so it would be a > rather different approach from the usual exhaustive case table approaches. > > -- > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Johannes Laire wrote: > But I just did an average using pure Heise: > 24.95, (28.56), 25.36, 24.32, (27.71) => 24.88 As expected it's better than me :-) > Those solves look like Heise to me, even though I don't always > understand what's going on near the end. Haha :-) The secret is to keep track of the edges all the time while you do other things. You've got to "feel" the edge permutation as you go. I don't know if it will work for you, but I also visualise the edge permutations in my head as knots (well, a looped piece of string folded on itself), and I know how each tripple R U* R affects the knot in my head. It's strange, as I'm getting better, I'm starting to see the corner permutation of the last step before I get there. I think this is a useful skill to be able to avoid bad corner configurations. The only problem is that I haven't yet become skilled at avoiding them yet. I just kind of go, "Yep, I saw that coming". If I slow down (i.e. fewest moves), of course I can do it. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Neil John Ortega wrote: > My questions are these... Hi Niel, it looks like I'll answer these in the morning after a sleep (just saying this in case you think I missed you're email). In the mean time, have you looked at: http://rubikscube.info/ortega.html ? It's got your name all over it ;-) -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" <johannes.laire@...> wrote: > > I don't understand why people say that using less moves is slower. Please show just one example of somebody saying this. Cheers! Stefan

Hi I for one never said using less moves is slower. I myself try to learn new algorithms that come up sparingly so I can lower my avg move count. More important to me (for speed) is usually if the algorithm is suited to be performed as a 2-generator, since that speeds up the execution. I know e.g. there is a 10 move T permutation but my 14 move T is way faster. Reading what Ryan says about "it's about patterns" this sounds like the Heise method is potentially faster than CFOP. I mean, less moves, and still pattern recognition, right? I do have a vague memory of someone posting this idea (less moves=slower), but Yahoo won't let me search on vague terms. Michiel http://rubikscubetutorial.com --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes > Laire" <johannes.laire@> wrote: > > > > I don't understand why people say that using less moves is slower. > > Please show just one example of somebody saying this. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes > Laire" <johannes.laire@> wrote: > > > > I don't understand why people say that using less moves is slower. > > Please show just one example of somebody saying this. > > Cheers! > Stefan > Why do you alway have to pick down on things?, of course he means in implicity. Like "Petrus is not as fast as Fridrich", you heard that one a lot =) // Kenneth

Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Johannes Laire wrote: > > > I don't understand why people say that using less moves is slower. > > Please show just one example of somebody saying this. less moves -> more thinking -> slower That's what I meant (sorry for making it sound more stupid than it is), and I'm sure there are examples of somebody saying that. I recall at least one where someone critized color neutrality. I'll search later. It's just not that simple, if I did an average with Fridrich it would require more thinking than Petrus, even though I'd use more moves. But that's my own fault for not practising Fridrich. -- Johannes Laire

Hi :-) I'll just say that it CAN be the case: total solution time = time spent doing moves + total delay time spent between steps. So theoretically it MAY be the case that an on average longer solution will have much shorter time for delay (better recognition and lookahead) and hence reach a shorter total time. If im not very wrong pure CFOP is on average about 50-55 turns. Some other methods have claimed only 40-45 or 45-50 turns on average but i don't believe they're any faster just because of that :-) Ideas along the same line are actually also mentioned in Fridrich's own description of her method and speedcubing in general, though total solution length is not explicitly mentioned :-) http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/hints.html#faster Have fun!! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes > Laire" <johannes.laire@> wrote: > > > > I don't understand why people say that using less moves is slower. > > Please show just one example of somebody saying this. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I'm in los angeles. My brother is in san francisco. -Tyson On Jun 23, 2007, at 7:37 AM, symbioticfear wrote: > Which town? ;) > > Jon Choi > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > > > Just write me an e-mail, or let me know when you're in town. > > > > -Tyson > > > > On Jun 22, 2007, at 9:02 PM, symbioticfear wrote: > > > > > It doesn't really matter to me, honestly. I'll probably be all > over > > > the state. > > > > > > But I will be initially staying in the vicinity of Los Angeles. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" > > > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Jon, > > > > > > > > Where in California? California is a bit large. It's a 6 hour > > > drive from > > > > San Francisco to Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > On 6/22/07, symbioticfear <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to be in California in all of July and possibly > into the > > > > > beginning of August, and was wondering if there were going to > be > > > any > > > > > competitions/meetings (unofficial or official) there during > this > > > > > time... It would be great to meet some people on the west > coast (I > > > > > live in PA). > > > > > > > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being disadvantageous in one-handed speedcubing? In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely not an issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny hands. While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? >From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length separately, rather than the entire hand. ~Comacotzi

Hi Guys? I'm in Houston for the next 2 months working and I am glad to know anyone that lives here or near here to meet, do some cubbing, tell jokes or just drink something. So... what do you think? Cheers Guilherme Baron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't know about others, but I certainly feel disadvantaged with small hands when I compare myself to the Dzoans. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" <comacotzi@...> wrote: > > Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > disadvantageous > in one-handed speedcubing? > > In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely not an > issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny hands. > > While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than > size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for > they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much > harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > > Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > > From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > > I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > > It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length > separately, rather than the entire hand. > > ~Comacotzi >

Hrm. In that case, let's see who is faster: Petrus or Fridrich themselves. Get them to have a cube-off ;D P.S Petrus is super cool! He taught me his method at Berkeley. Remeber Lars? x] Brian Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes > Laire" <johannes.laire@> wrote: > > > > I don't understand why people say that using less moves is slower. > > Please show just one example of somebody saying this. > > Cheers! > Stefan > Why do you alway have to pick down on things?, of course he means in implicity. Like "Petrus is not as fast as Fridrich", you heard that one a lot =) // Kenneth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Neil John Ortega wrote: > Can anybody here tell me the strategies they use in doing the two > pairs and inserting the edges? For the two pairs, it is best to figure this out with your own study, and following the fundamental techniques: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/fundamental_techniques.html About 50% of the time you'll find that 1 pair is already made and you just need to make the other one. If there is no pair, most of the time there will be a broken pair that is already aligned and just needs to be joined (3-4 moves). If neither of these cases appear, then just solve the edges and corners separately. For fitting the edges between the pairs, many cases are just 3-cycles of pairs and you need only know one strategy for dealing with them: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/pair_3_cycles.html In other cases you may find you can solve using only R-U turns, and other times R-U-L. There are also some advanced techniques involving F2 and D which also preserve the edge orientation but I haven't written about them, yet. But for R-U and R-U-L strategies, they are simple enough that you can experiment with them by yourself. > After I learn the 3rd stage using your help, I > would like to focus on the first stage of the Heise method. To > those who can do the cube fast with this method, could you guys > give me tips on doing this step faster. I think the problem with me > is that I always have a hard time looking for the pieces that I > need for the squares, especially the last two outer squares. One thing to keep in mind is which colour is your main colour. Let me define what this is: there is one colour that you will not use at all in stage 1, and the colour opposite to it is your main colour. At the beginning there will be several candidates for the main colour, and the candidates are reduced after you make a choice for each square. For example, when you build a non-matching square, the common colour usually becomes the main colour from then on. Being aware of the main colour (or main colour "candidates") will help your eyes to target only corner pieces that contain the main colour. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

What do you do if you have the correct piece in the buffer and is either correct or incorrectly oriented? Brian

Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > I don't understand why people say that using less moves is slower. > > Please show just one example of somebody saying this. Yes, the main debates have been whether intuition is slower, whether colour neutrality is slower, and perhaps others. It has been argued that both of these things can cause (1) fewer moves and (2) slowness, but it hasn't (to my recollection) been argued that (1) causes (2). It is a common error related to causality: http://writing2.richmond.edu/writing/wweb/reason2b.html Well spotted I think, and I see you're promoting clear thought as always :-) -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

The other night I was leaving work and I got stopped by a cop. He shined his light on me and said, "What's that in your pocket? You got a gun? Let me see your hands". I pulled out my hands with my cube, saying "It's just a rubik's cube". He relaxed a little. "Oh, cool. How fast are you with that?". "About thirty seconds". "Do you know why I stopped you?" "No" "There's been a burglary in the area". I was wearing a backpack and a black hooded sweatshirt with the hood up, so I guess I looked "suspicious". After he and his partner asked me all the usual stuff (where you going? are you on drugs?, ever been arrested? on probation?, etc.), they frisked me and asked if they could search my backpack. After they verified I wasn't carrying anything valuable, the first cop looked at his watch and handed me back my cube, saying "You want to test it out?" So I solved my cube for them by flashlight (33 seconds, meh). They both said they were impressed. I said, "Thanks. You guys have a good night". I'm just glad I didn't have any weed on me.

That sounds like it would be a lot of work to write up in that format, but I would love to see that. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > Michiel van der Blonk wrote: > > > I did see Ryan's solve on the cube simulator which was very good, but > > I cannot tell if he used purely his own method. > > > > Anyone? Ryan maybe? > > Yes, it's pure :-) > > > I'm very interested in knowing if the method could be used at all to > > accomplish let's say sub 30s times. > > My best average with it so far is 28.36 seconds, although I'm quite > slow and probably not a good person to measure. E.g. I'm in the 30- 40 > second range with Petrich (Petrus F2L + Fridrich LL). > > When I get time I'd like to write out my system for speed cubing. > There are surprisingly very few patterns that you need to learn how to > deal with, but they are not rigid patterns like in traditional > systems. So, each pattern has a number of variations but if you know > what to look for, you can easily spot it as the same pattern and apply > the same strategy. > > As an example of what I mean, there are about 30 different > configurations of the last 3 corners that can all be solved using the > same pattern. Rather than learning and memorising 30 different > algorithms, you need only learn one strategy and learn how to > recognise the pattern in its different variations. > > Similarly, in the previous step when manipulating the two corner/edge > pairs, there is a small set of patterns, each with many variations. > Once you learn just a few strategies for how to solve this step, you > can handle a wide variety of different situations. > > The speed cubing "system" that I have in mind would consist of a > thought process, or a "decision tree". It would tell you "First look > for this pattern; then do this strategy...", and so it would be a > rather different approach from the usual exhaustive case table approaches. > > -- > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

lol thats really cool when i went to the museum of tolorance for school they were like "wats that in ur pocket" when i was going through the metal detectors and then they started puting the metal detectors over all the parts cuz i think they thought i might have hidden explosives in the parts?????? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nailicis2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The other night I was leaving work and I got stopped by a cop. He > shined his light on me and said, "What's that in your pocket? You got a > gun? Let me see your hands". I pulled out my hands with my cube, > saying "It's just a rubik's cube". He relaxed a little. "Oh, cool. How > fast are you with that?". > "About thirty seconds". > "Do you know why I stopped you?" > "No" > "There's been a burglary in the area". > I was wearing a backpack and a black hooded sweatshirt with the hood > up, so I guess I looked "suspicious". > After he and his partner asked me all the usual stuff (where you going? > are you on drugs?, ever been arrested? on probation?, etc.), they > frisked me and asked if they could search my backpack. After they > verified I wasn't carrying anything valuable, the first cop looked at > his watch and handed me back my cube, saying "You want to test it out?" > So I solved my cube for them by flashlight (33 seconds, meh). > They both said they were impressed. > I said, "Thanks. You guys have a good night". > I'm just glad I didn't have any weed on me. >

Hi Yes, I am sure that this is a genuine problem, people with bigger hands and longer fingers have a much greater advantage when OH cubing I am certain. DanH :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stanwong86" <stanwong86@...> wrote: > > I don't know about others, but I certainly feel disadvantaged with > small hands when I compare myself to the Dzoans. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" > <comacotzi@> wrote: > > > > Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > > disadvantageous > > in one-handed speedcubing? > > > > In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely not an > > issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny hands. > > > > While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than > > size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for > > they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > > palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much > > harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > > > > Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > > > > From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > > Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > > Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > > Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > > Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > > > > I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > > > > It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length > > separately, rather than the entire hand. > > > > ~Comacotzi > > >

Hi :-) I guess one might also argue that the same problem aplies to bigger cubes also. When i started off with rubiks.com 5x5x5 cube it felt really too big for me to handle fast. But it has improved over the years. Maybe we could gather some empirical data on this somehow?? .. Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Hi > > Yes, I am sure that this is a genuine problem, people with bigger > hands and longer fingers have a much greater advantage when OH cubing > I am certain. > > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stanwong86" > <stanwong86@> wrote: > > > > I don't know about others, but I certainly feel disadvantaged with > > small hands when I compare myself to the Dzoans. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" > > <comacotzi@> wrote: > > > > > > Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > > > disadvantageous > > > in one-handed speedcubing? > > > > > > In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely not an > > > issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny hands. > > > > > > While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than > > > size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for > > > they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > > > palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much > > > harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > > > > > > Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > > > > > > From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > > > Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > > > Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > > > Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > > > Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > > > > > > I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > > > > > > It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length > > > separately, rather than the entire hand. > > > > > > ~Comacotzi > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Le" <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > What do you do if you have the correct piece in the buffer and is > either correct or incorrectly oriented? > > Brian > You just shoot to a piece that hasn't been solved yet. Then start a new cycle. Thanks! Joey

Does anyone know any competetions that are going to happen or might happen in or around New Jersey?

Leyan has small hands. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Hi > > Yes, I am sure that this is a genuine problem, people with bigger > hands and longer fingers have a much greater advantage when OH cubing > I am certain. > > DanH :)

I'm trying to get one in NYC. Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Jameson" <poker19@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know any competetions that are going to happen or might > happen in or around New Jersey? >

It can only be a matter of time before people start manufacturing speed cubes of different sizes. I for one welcome it. I don't know why this has to be a sport for people with big hands. May the fastest brain + hands win. What do the WCA guys say? On Jun 24, 2007, at 4:32, Dan wrote: > Hi > > Yes, I am sure that this is a genuine problem, people with bigger > hands and longer fingers have a much greater advantage when OH cubing > I am certain. > > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stanwong86" > <stanwong86@...> wrote: >> >> I don't know about others, but I certainly feel disadvantaged with >> small hands when I compare myself to the Dzoans. >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" >> <comacotzi@> wrote: >>> >>> Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being >>> disadvantageous >>> in one-handed speedcubing? >>> >>> In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely >>> not an >>> issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny >>> hands. >>> >>> While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than >>> size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for >>> they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose >>> palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much >>> harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. >>> >>> Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? >>> >>> From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: >>> Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm >>> Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm >>> Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm >>> Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm >>> >>> I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. >>> >>> It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length >>> separately, rather than the entire hand. >>> >>> ~Comacotzi >>> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Well, different sized cubes (Eastsheen vs. Rubik's) are allowed in the 2x2, 4x4 and 5x5 events. And we did let Adam Zamora compete in the 2x2 event at the US Open with his custom built gigantic cube. So why not? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > It can only be a matter of time before people start manufacturing > speed cubes of different sizes. > > I for one welcome it. I don't know why this has to be a sport for > people with big hands. May the fastest brain + hands win. > > What do the WCA guys say? > > On Jun 24, 2007, at 4:32, Dan wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Yes, I am sure that this is a genuine problem, people with bigger > > hands and longer fingers have a much greater advantage when OH cubing > > I am certain. > > > > DanH :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stanwong86" > > <stanwong86@> wrote: > >> > >> I don't know about others, but I certainly feel disadvantaged with > >> small hands when I compare myself to the Dzoans. > >> > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" > >> <comacotzi@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > >>> disadvantageous > >>> in one-handed speedcubing? > >>> > >>> In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely > >>> not an > >>> issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny > >>> hands. > >>> > >>> While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than > >>> size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for > >>> they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > >>> palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much > >>> harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > >>> > >>> Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > >>> > >>> From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > >>> Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > >>> Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > >>> Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > >>> Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > >>> > >>> I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > >>> > >>> It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length > >>> separately, rather than the entire hand. > >>> > >>> ~Comacotzi > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Do you know about when it may happen yet? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: > > I'm trying to get one in NYC. > > Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Jameson" > <poker19@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone know any competetions that are going to happen or might > > happen in or around New Jersey? > > >

i don't think that having bigger hand is much of a help because then your finger maybe push 2 layers at once or if you hand are very big they have to bend farther back just to reach the cube. also I am not positive but it seems like it would be easier to be more dexterous with smaller hands. there is probably an optimal size range though. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > I guess one might also argue that the same problem aplies to bigger > cubes also. When i started off with rubiks.com 5x5x5 cube it felt > really too big for me to handle fast. But it has improved over the > years. Maybe we could gather some empirical data on this somehow?? .. > > Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" > <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Yes, I am sure that this is a genuine problem, people with bigger > > hands and longer fingers have a much greater advantage when OH > cubing > > I am certain. > > > > DanH :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stanwong86" > > <stanwong86@> wrote: > > > > > > I don't know about others, but I certainly feel disadvantaged with > > > small hands when I compare myself to the Dzoans. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" > > > <comacotzi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > > > > disadvantageous > > > > in one-handed speedcubing? > > > > > > > > In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely > not an > > > > issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny > hands. > > > > > > > > While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important > than > > > > size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, > for > > > > they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > > > > palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work > much > > > > harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > > > > > > > > From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > > > > Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > > > > Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > > > > Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > > > > Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > > > > > > > > I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > > > > > > > > It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger > length > > > > separately, rather than the entire hand. > > > > > > > > ~Comacotzi > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > It can only be a matter of time before people start manufacturing > speed cubes of different sizes. > > I for one welcome it. I don't know why this has to be a sport for > people with big hands. May the fastest brain + hands win. > > What do the WCA guys say? > I'm much more comfortable doing OH using ES 2x2x2 than with a normal Rubik's 3x3x3. Those are a little to big for me and I have not got small hands. Last year I purchased a (really cheap, poor quality) 3x3x3 that is about the same size as the ES 2x and thought I colud use that one for OH... But it really sucked, almost impossible to twist :( // Kenneth

Not exactly, but I am looking at August/September. Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Jameson" <poker19@...> wrote: > > Do you know about when it may happen yet? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > <rubikscubewhiz@> wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get one in NYC. > > > > Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Jameson" > > <poker19@> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know any competetions that are going to happen or > might > > > happen in or around New Jersey? > > > > > >

Did you get my email Bob? Brian Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: Not exactly, but I am looking at August/September. Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Jameson" <poker19@...> wrote: > > Do you know about when it may happen yet? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > <rubikscubewhiz@> wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get one in NYC. > > > > Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Jameson" > > <poker19@> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know any competetions that are going to happen or > might > > > happen in or around New Jersey? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hah yeah, the bulge in your pocket (rubik's cube) might look at little suspicious... A store thought i was stealing once, but i showed them it was just my cube :] -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nailicis2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The other night I was leaving work and I got stopped by a cop. He > shined his light on me and said, "What's that in your pocket? You got a > gun? Let me see your hands". I pulled out my hands with my cube, > saying "It's just a rubik's cube". He relaxed a little. "Oh, cool. How > fast are you with that?". > "About thirty seconds". > "Do you know why I stopped you?" > "No" > "There's been a burglary in the area". > I was wearing a backpack and a black hooded sweatshirt with the hood > up, so I guess I looked "suspicious". > After he and his partner asked me all the usual stuff (where you going? > are you on drugs?, ever been arrested? on probation?, etc.), they > frisked me and asked if they could search my backpack. After they > verified I wasn't carrying anything valuable, the first cop looked at > his watch and handed me back my cube, saying "You want to test it out?" > So I solved my cube for them by flashlight (33 seconds, meh). > They both said they were impressed. > I said, "Thanks. You guys have a good night". > I'm just glad I didn't have any weed on me. >

Hi :-) personally i would guess retooling costs would be a bit prohibitive. I can see the technical possibilities of varying the puzzle sizes with the current designs though :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > It can only be a matter of time before people start manufacturing > speed cubes of different sizes. > > I for one welcome it. I don't know why this has to be a sport for > people with big hands. May the fastest brain + hands win. > > What do the WCA guys say? > > On Jun 24, 2007, at 4:32, Dan wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Yes, I am sure that this is a genuine problem, people with bigger > > hands and longer fingers have a much greater advantage when OH cubing > > I am certain. > > > > DanH :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "stanwong86" > > <stanwong86@> wrote: > >> > >> I don't know about others, but I certainly feel disadvantaged with > >> small hands when I compare myself to the Dzoans. > >> > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" > >> <comacotzi@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > >>> disadvantageous > >>> in one-handed speedcubing? > >>> > >>> In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely > >>> not an > >>> issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny > >>> hands. > >>> > >>> While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than > >>> size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for > >>> they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > >>> palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much > >>> harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > >>> > >>> Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > >>> > >>> From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > >>> Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > >>> Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > >>> Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > >>> Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > >>> > >>> I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > >>> > >>> It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length > >>> separately, rather than the entire hand. > >>> > >>> ~Comacotzi > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hi :-) Absolute brand neutrality does imply leverage for allowing varying sizes, right?? -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Well, different sized cubes (Eastsheen vs. Rubik's) are allowed in the > 2x2, 4x4 and 5x5 events. And we did let Adam Zamora compete in the 2x2 > event at the US Open with his custom built gigantic cube. So why not? > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@> > wrote: > > > > It can only be a matter of time before people start manufacturing > > speed cubes of different sizes. > > > > I for one welcome it. I don't know why this has to be a sport for > > people with big hands. May the fastest brain + hands win. > > > > What do the WCA guys say? > > > > On Jun 24, 2007, at 4:32, Dan wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > Yes, I am sure that this is a genuine problem, people with bigger > > > hands and longer fingers have a much greater advantage when OH cubing > > > I am certain. > > > > > > DanH :) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stanwong86" > > > <stanwong86@> wrote: > > >> > > >> I don't know about others, but I certainly feel disadvantaged with > > >> small hands when I compare myself to the Dzoans. > > >> > > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" > > >> <comacotzi@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > > >>> disadvantageous > > >>> in one-handed speedcubing? > > >>> > > >>> In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely > > >>> not an > > >>> issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny > > >>> hands. > > >>> > > >>> While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than > > >>> size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for > > >>> they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > > >>> palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much > > >>> harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > > >>> > > >>> Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > > >>> > > >>> From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > > >>> Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > > >>> Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > > >>> Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > > >>> Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > > >>> > > >>> I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > > >>> > > >>> It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length > > >>> separately, rather than the entire hand. > > >>> > > >>> ~Comacotzi > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

Same story here. I was in a store looking at cubes. I was bored so I pulled mines out and they thought I stole it. Good thing it had Cubesmith tiles on it x]]. Brian Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Hah yeah, the bulge in your pocket (rubik's cube) might look at little suspicious... A store thought i was stealing once, but i showed them it was just my cube :] -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nailicis2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The other night I was leaving work and I got stopped by a cop. He > shined his light on me and said, "What's that in your pocket? You got a > gun? Let me see your hands". I pulled out my hands with my cube, > saying "It's just a rubik's cube". He relaxed a little. "Oh, cool. How > fast are you with that?". > "About thirty seconds". > "Do you know why I stopped you?" > "No" > "There's been a burglary in the area". > I was wearing a backpack and a black hooded sweatshirt with the hood > up, so I guess I looked "suspicious". > After he and his partner asked me all the usual stuff (where you going? > are you on drugs?, ever been arrested? on probation?, etc.), they > frisked me and asked if they could search my backpack. After they > verified I wasn't carrying anything valuable, the first cop looked at > his watch and handed me back my cube, saying "You want to test it out?" > So I solved my cube for them by flashlight (33 seconds, meh). > They both said they were impressed. > I said, "Thanks. You guys have a good night". > I'm just glad I didn't have any weed on me. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Heh, a similar thing happened to me when i was going on a cruise on one of my school trips. I had about 6 cubes in my backpack, and when it went through security, they thought they were bombs. But after they saw that they were only rubik's cubes, they asked me to solve it (don't remember the time, though it was probably around 30seconds) and let me go. Though afterwards my teacher did get mad at me for carrying so many around :/ -Sapan Upadhyay On 6/24/07, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Same story here. I was in a store looking at cubes. I was bored so I > pulled mines out and they thought I stole it. Good thing it had Cubesmith > tiles on it x]]. > > Brian > > > Corwin <aznspazboi@... <aznspazboi%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > Hah yeah, the bulge in your pocket (rubik's cube) might look at little > suspicious... A store thought i was stealing once, but i showed them > it was just my cube :] > > -Corwin > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > nailicis2 > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > The other night I was leaving work and I got stopped by a cop. He > > shined his light on me and said, "What's that in your pocket? You got a > > gun? Let me see your hands". I pulled out my hands with my cube, > > saying "It's just a rubik's cube". He relaxed a little. "Oh, cool. How > > fast are you with that?". > > "About thirty seconds". > > "Do you know why I stopped you?" > > "No" > > "There's been a burglary in the area". > > I was wearing a backpack and a black hooded sweatshirt with the hood > > up, so I guess I looked "suspicious". > > After he and his partner asked me all the usual stuff (where you going? > > are you on drugs?, ever been arrested? on probation?, etc.), they > > frisked me and asked if they could search my backpack. After they > > verified I wasn't carrying anything valuable, the first cop looked at > > his watch and handed me back my cube, saying "You want to test it out?" > > So I solved my cube for them by flashlight (33 seconds, meh). > > They both said they were impressed. > > I said, "Thanks. You guys have a good night". > > I'm just glad I didn't have any weed on me. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I myself have just started experimenting with OH cubing, and I find it rather difficult--I'm sure a lot of it is because I'm a beginner, but some of it is also because I have relatively small hands. I'm sure with enough practice, skill is much more important than size, but the disadvantage may still be there. I for one, do rather wish for a larger palm to give my fingers more room to turn quicker and more freely. Some of the fingertricks are also very hard for me, but I'm practicing. I don't know much about larger cubes; I've only solved the 5x5 a few times, and those haven't been speed runs, so I used my whole wrist for all the turns, no fingertricks, although those are harder to pull off on the larger cubes because of the added rigidity on those. I would actually really like a modified (meaning smaller) 3x3 for OH speedcubing purposes. All I can think of are the little keychain ones... but those would be worse. Hmm... wonder if I could custom order/build one? ~Comacotzi

for my case, i was up in the angular crest mountain road park by the side to enjoy the view of the city night lights when cops approached me and asked what i was doing at that place that late. i told them i was just enjoying the view and playing with my cube. so i demonstrated to them my sub-20 solve. they were quite impressed after which they said to me, "get the hell out of here kid, good job with the cube though". some white redneck cop too LOL. --John Lwin Kyawkyaw Sapan Upadhyay <cubekid@...> wrote: Heh, a similar thing happened to me when i was going on a cruise on one of my school trips. I had about 6 cubes in my backpack, and when it went through security, they thought they were bombs. But after they saw that they were only rubik's cubes, they asked me to solve it (don't remember the time, though it was probably around 30seconds) and let me go. Though afterwards my teacher did get mad at me for carrying so many around :/ -Sapan Upadhyay On 6/24/07, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Same story here. I was in a store looking at cubes. I was bored so I > pulled mines out and they thought I stole it. Good thing it had Cubesmith > tiles on it x]]. > > Brian > > > Corwin <aznspazboi@... <aznspazboi%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > Hah yeah, the bulge in your pocket (rubik's cube) might look at little > suspicious... A store thought i was stealing once, but i showed them > it was just my cube :] > > -Corwin > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > nailicis2 > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > The other night I was leaving work and I got stopped by a cop. He > > shined his light on me and said, "What's that in your pocket? You got a > > gun? Let me see your hands". I pulled out my hands with my cube, > > saying "It's just a rubik's cube". He relaxed a little. "Oh, cool. How > > fast are you with that?". > > "About thirty seconds". > > "Do you know why I stopped you?" > > "No" > > "There's been a burglary in the area". > > I was wearing a backpack and a black hooded sweatshirt with the hood > > up, so I guess I looked "suspicious". > > After he and his partner asked me all the usual stuff (where you going? > > are you on drugs?, ever been arrested? on probation?, etc.), they > > frisked me and asked if they could search my backpack. After they > > verified I wasn't carrying anything valuable, the first cop looked at > > his watch and handed me back my cube, saying "You want to test it out?" > > So I solved my cube for them by flashlight (33 seconds, meh). > > They both said they were impressed. > > I said, "Thanks. You guys have a good night". > > I'm just glad I didn't have any weed on me. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ah, Sapan... always getting into trouble. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

no. sent to bob at cubewhiz.com --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Did you get my email Bob? > > Brian > > Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: > Not exactly, but I am looking at August/September. > > Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Jameson" > <poker19@> wrote: > > > > Do you know about when it may happen yet? > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > > <rubikscubewhiz@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm trying to get one in NYC. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Jameson" > > > <poker19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone know any competetions that are going to happen or > > might > > > > happen in or around New Jersey? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Found a cool article in the latest Climbing magazine (no 257) about Matt Wilder cubing as a street artist to earn money for climbing. Matt is a good friend of Dan Knights, and Dan is also mentioned in the article. Terje

puxa saco!!! vai trabalhar vagabundo!!!!! Abraço hehehe 2007/6/23, Guilherme Baron <bocaoshow@...>: > > Hi Guys? > > I'm in Houston for the next 2 months working and I am glad to know anyone > that lives here or near here to meet, do some cubbing, tell jokes or just > drink something. > > So... what do you think? > > Cheers > Guilherme Baron > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi folks, Just found this group, and I thought I'd introduce myself. My name is George Madrid, and I've been cubing since about 1978 or 1979. I picked the cube up again about a year ago - a lost artifact of my childhood, and I discovered that there was an entire community of speedcubists out there. I thought I'd join in. My current average solve time is about 90 seconds, and I have a personal goal to bring that down below 60 seconds. I use my own system, which I suppose is a combination of the Friedrich F2L and the Petrus LL. I've recently begun study of the PLL algorithms in an effort to trim some seconds off my time. Honestly, though, I lose more time in the F2L. Once I get the F2L, I'm usually about 20 seconds from a solved cube, so any hints or pointers to hints on the F2L are welcomed. I'm currently working on serious finger-tricking, too, and I'm getting fed up with my cube. It gets caught up on itself all the time, and I'm trying to figure out of that's my lack of dexterity, or the cube being too loose. Anyway, I probably won't post much, since I suspect I have a lot more to take away than to offer this group at this point, so thanks an advance for any advice, pointers, help that y'all offer. Please forgive me if I ask too many newb questions. Blue skies, George

Begin here: http://dougreed.no-ip.org/~doug/f2l/f2l.htm Solve the cube slowly many times and workout your own F2L methods. Then go to: www.cubeloop.com - a site with a substantial F2L section. There you can compare what you do with what they've got, and you can modify your methods as you see fit. Another alternative is to memorize algorithms for F2L. On 6/25/07, peasoffluff <gmadrid@...> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just found this group, and I thought I'd introduce myself. > > My name is George Madrid, and I've been cubing since about 1978 or 1979. I > picked the > cube up again about a year ago - a lost artifact of my childhood, and I > discovered that > there was an entire community of speedcubists out there. I thought I'd > join in. > > My current average solve time is about 90 seconds, and I have a personal > goal to bring > that down below 60 seconds. I use my own system, which I suppose is a > combination of > the Friedrich F2L and the Petrus LL. I've recently begun study of the PLL > algorithms in an > effort to trim some seconds off my time. Honestly, though, I lose more > time in the F2L. > Once I get the F2L, I'm usually about 20 seconds from a solved cube, so > any hints or > pointers to hints on the F2L are welcomed. > > I'm currently working on serious finger-tricking, too, and I'm getting fed > up with my cube. > It gets caught up on itself all the time, and I'm trying to figure out of > that's my lack of > dexterity, or the cube being too loose. > > Anyway, I probably won't post much, since I suspect I have a lot more to > take away than to > offer this group at this point, so thanks an advance for any advice, > pointers, help that y'all > offer. Please forgive me if I ask too many newb questions. > > Blue skies, > > George > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hello - im not a speedcuber, but just found mine in my closet the other day. i went to http:// www.wrongway.org/cgi-bin/cube/cubexcgiin? , a rubix cube solver online. when i put in my colors, the program came up with an error and said the cube was mispainted. is this a glitch in the system, or did someone actually switch the stickers around? can anyone help? i can send pictures if needed. thanks/

Probably someone took a piece out or it falled and it was put back in the wrong way...that way the cube is unsolvable... take an edge out* and put it back flipped...then try again the solver...if it still says it's wrong, maybe you have a wrong corner *turn a face 45º, push the edge up and the 2 pieces behind it down...should be easy Pedro "kyle.rosenberg" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: hello - im not a speedcuber, but just found mine in my closet the other day. i went to http:// www.wrongway.org/cgi-bin/cube/cubexcgiin? , a rubix cube solver online. when i put in my colors, the program came up with an error and said the cube was mispainted. is this a glitch in the system, or did someone actually switch the stickers around? can anyone help? i can send pictures if needed. thanks/ --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Someone might have taken some stickers off and put them on the wrong way. in which case that would not work. So if that doesn't work than take the stickers off and put them one the right way. Patrick --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Probably someone took a piece out or it falled and it was put back in the wrong way...that way the cube is unsolvable... > > take an edge out* and put it back flipped...then try again the solver...if it still says it's wrong, maybe you have a wrong corner > > *turn a face 45º, push the edge up and the 2 pieces behind it down...should be easy > > Pedro > > "kyle.rosenberg" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: hello - im not a speedcuber, but just found mine in my closet the other day. i went to http:// > www.wrongway.org/cgi-bin/cube/cubexcgiin? , a rubix cube solver online. when i put in my > colors, the program came up with an error and said the cube was mispainted. is this a glitch > in the system, or did someone actually switch the stickers around? can anyone help? i can > send pictures if needed. thanks/ > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I proposed this idea a while back. I'm still working on the right-click thing, but meanwhile I stumbled across the idea of doing this through the search bar in Firefox. I used the ideas (and code) from http://libdev.plymouth.edu/post/31 to create two "search engines": one for animating an alg generator, and another for a solver. You can "install" (really, it's just a matter of clicking and allowing Firefox to add these to a list of search engines) them from here: http://cube.garron.us/tools/index.htm I created a short demo install & use video (with the generator search only): http://archive.garron.us/vid/demo/algsearch.mp4 The best part: while one of the two is selected as your current search engine, you actually can display an alg with a right-click: http://archive.garron.us/vid/demo/alg_right_click.mp4 (but only if an alg "search engine" is selected) Hope some of you like this, and use it :-) As mentioned, I'm working on a permanent right-click version, and (hopefully) configurability on the applet page -Lucas Garron ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lucas G. > > Anyhow, the idea would be to create a browser extension (I would like it > for Firefox :-) that allows a user to highlight an algorithm in a text and > animate (or display the result of) the alg in a new tab. AnimCube (my > preference) or Randelshofer's applet can be employed for this. > It would look something like this: > http://archive.garron.us/img/algclick.png > And then open a new page, like this: > http://archive.garron.us/img/algnewpage.png (here with an FMC helper page > as an example display applet)

Who lives/works/hangs out in the city? I'm there practically every day now. Bob

ok, so i got a brand new revenge today (first one), and was so excited to solve it that i ended up solving probably 20 times. on the last solve (of course) i break a center piece and the thing falls apart. question: is there anywhere else beside cubesmith.com ($1.25 is a bit much for 1 little piece of plastic) where i can buy just 1 replacement center piece? thanks, jeff

Find out who supplies Cubesmith and talk to them. Or, you can get a new Revenge x]. Or you can make your own. There are endless possibilities. Brian jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: ok, so i got a brand new revenge today (first one), and was so excited to solve it that i ended up solving probably 20 times. on the last solve (of course) i break a center piece and the thing falls apart. question: is there anywhere else beside cubesmith.com ($1.25 is a bit much for 1 little piece of plastic) where i can buy just 1 replacement center piece? thanks, jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm pretty sure that Cubesmith takes the pieces from existing Revenges. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Find out who supplies Cubesmith and talk to them. Or, you can get a new Revenge x]. Or you can make your own. There are endless possibilities. > > Brian > > jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > ok, so i got a brand new revenge today (first one), and was so excited > to solve it that i ended up solving probably 20 times. on the last > solve (of course) i break a center piece and the thing falls apart. > question: is there anywhere else beside cubesmith.com ($1.25 is a bit > much for 1 little piece of plastic) where i can buy just 1 replacement > center piece? > > thanks, > jeff > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Yes that is what he does. Option A: $1.25 for a piece of plastic Option B: $20 for enough pieces of plastic to still only have one working 4x4. Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that Cubesmith takes the pieces from existing Revenges. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le > <khoale1234567@> wrote: > > > > Find out who supplies Cubesmith and talk to them. Or, you can get a > new Revenge x]. Or you can make your own. There are endless possibilities. > > > > Brian > > > > jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > ok, so i got a brand new revenge today (first one), and > was so excited > > to solve it that i ended up solving probably 20 times. on the last > > solve (of course) i break a center piece and the thing falls apart. > > question: is there anywhere else beside cubesmith.com ($1.25 is a bit > > much for 1 little piece of plastic) where i can buy just 1 replacement > > center piece? > > > > thanks, > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

After many more months of development, we are proud to announce the second release of the CALCubeTimer. CCT v0.2 is an even more complete speedcubing timer for (hopefully all) your needs. A few of the changes since 0.1 include fixed keyboard timing on Linux, support for big-big cubes, and a very extensive gui overhaul. We highly encourage you to try it out, feedback is welcome! You can get it here: http://gnehzr.net/cct/. Jeremy Fleischman and Ryan Zheng

> Someone might have taken some stickers off and put them on the wrong > way. in which case that would not work. So if that doesn't work than > take the stickers off and put them one the right way. Please don't take this advice because your cube will look pretty tatty afterwards. If you are going to replace the stickers, buy a replacement set from cubesmith.com - at least when you put the stickers back on it looks brand new. If you don't know how to go about solving your cube, and you want to get it back into shape (to start learning of course) - the best bet is to take it completely apart and then fit it back together in the correct way. This is because at the moment you don't know if you have an edge flipped, two edges swapped, a corner twisted, or any combination of all these which are all impossible to correct just by turning the cube. Don't worry about taking it apart, just turn a face 45 degrees as mentioned before, pop out an edge piece, and then dismantle it from there. It's very easy to put back together also. All the best, DanH :)

In addition to my last post, I see what Patrick said does make a bit more sense than I thought, if someone has taken off stickers and replaced them in order to get closer to the solution, then it's probably better that you replace all the stickers :) DanH :)

Or you can get an eastsheen 4x4 i have been doing that one has not broke yet! but my Rubiks has! ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Burton <rubikscubewhiz@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:24:50 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 4x4x4 replacement parts Yes that is what he does. Option A: $1.25 for a piece of plastic Option B: $20 for enough pieces of plastic to still only have one working 4x4. Bob --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, symbioticfear <no_reply@.. .> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that Cubesmith takes the pieces from existing Revenges. > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, Brian Le > <khoale1234567@ > wrote: > > > > Find out who supplies Cubesmith and talk to them. Or, you can get a > new Revenge x]. Or you can make your own. There are endless possibilities. > > > > Brian > > > > jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: > > ok, so i got a brand new revenge today (first one), and > was so excited > > to solve it that i ended up solving probably 20 times. on the last > > solve (of course) i break a center piece and the thing falls apart. > > question: is there anywhere else beside cubesmith.com ($1.25 is a bit > > much for 1 little piece of plastic) where i can buy just 1 replacement > > center piece? > > > > thanks, > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ok, thanks guys. looks like i'll be breaking down and buying the piece, but i'll buy some replacement stickers for my 3x3 while i'm at it. jeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: > > Yes that is what he does. > > Option A: $1.25 for a piece of plastic > Option B: $20 for enough pieces of plastic to still only have one > working 4x4. > > Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I'm pretty sure that Cubesmith takes the pieces from existing Revenges. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le > > <khoale1234567@> wrote: > > > > > > Find out who supplies Cubesmith and talk to them. Or, you can get a > > new Revenge x]. Or you can make your own. There are endless > possibilities. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > jeff17237 <no_reply@...m> wrote: > > > ok, so i got a brand new revenge today (first one), and > > was so excited > > > to solve it that i ended up solving probably 20 times. on the last > > > solve (of course) i break a center piece and the thing falls apart. > > > question: is there anywhere else beside cubesmith.com ($1.25 is a bit > > > much for 1 little piece of plastic) where i can buy just 1 > replacement > > > center piece? > > > > > > thanks, > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

SO you should get one in denver then. Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: denver would be cool, i've never visited there, and its in a centralized location kind of like chicago was. also it gives me a good reason to go hang out with mike for a while :). dan knights would probably show up also since i believe he's moving to colorado. Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: DUDE!!! That's like the perfect palce for me... get one there this summer richard16meyer <richard16meyer@...> wrote: What about one in Denver, would that be a good place for everyone? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > Yeah. i am trying to find one too > > xkiesterx <kianb@...> wrote: Are there really no competitions upcoming in the United States, at > least there are none listed on speedcubing.com, is anyone planning > any, i really would like to go to one soon, any this summer, thats > when i actually have time to travel, same with most students i assume, > I know Bob mentioned he might host one around August, but any others. > > > > > > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > www.xanga.com/forlask www.myspace.com/vbzakis Vince "forlask" --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] www.xanga.com/forlask www.myspace.com/vbzakis Vince "forlask" --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you want to replace all of the stickers, be sure you get the color scheme right. Or if you don't want new stickers, get someone who knows how to solve the cube solve it for you and they will be able to fix the problem. If it is really bad (most of the stickers have been rearranged and the person whom you hired has no idea what goes where) just replace the entire thing. Brian Dan <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: In addition to my last post, I see what Patrick said does make a bit more sense than I thought, if someone has taken off stickers and replaced them in order to get closer to the solution, then it's probably better that you replace all the stickers :) DanH :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i am just wondering if cubesmith or other sites will decide to make Cube vinyl stickers for cars. maybe something that say "cubist in car" or maybe a 3D cut of a rubik's cube. well you know anything nice to display on our car to show our appreciation for the rubik's cube --John lwin.

I myself have quite smaal hands and I find it effecting my times in speedcubing twohanded becouse I can't perform fingertriks as fast as someone with bigger hands. And I think it's the same with one handed becouse you can't reach all the sides with your fingers. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" <comacotzi@...> wrote: > > Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > disadvantageous > in one-handed speedcubing? > > In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely not an > issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny hands. > > While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than > size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for > they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much > harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > > Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > > From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > > I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > > It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length > separately, rather than the entire hand. > > ~Comacotzi >

Welcome, George! I too have been cubing since the early 80s (though if you had a cube in 1978 or 1979, you were definitely very early, it wasn't generally available in the US until 1980). The F2L tips already mentioned are very helpful. There are plenty of videos out there of people showing the techniques, and it's helpful to watch their hand positioning to pick up the finger tricks. It also helps to get together with other cubers--at least I learn better that way. Where do you live? My wife teases me becuase I too once said I'd be happy if I got my time under a minute, which is about as fast as I ever did it in the 80s, but now I'm not happy if a solve is over 30 seconds. I've been speedcubing about 2 years now, but I don't practice as much as most people in here (you could get to sub-30 in a few months with consistent practice). good luck with your cubing! --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander J Goldberg" <ajgold04@...> wrote: > > Begin here: > http://dougreed.no-ip.org/~doug/f2l/f2l.htm > Solve the cube slowly many times and workout your own F2L methods. > Then go to: > www.cubeloop.com - a site with a substantial F2L section. > There you can compare what you do with what they've got, > and you can modify your methods as you see fit. > > Another alternative is to memorize algorithms for F2L. > > > On 6/25/07, peasoffluff <gmadrid@...> wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just found this group, and I thought I'd introduce myself. > > > > My name is George Madrid, and I've been cubing since about 1978 or 1979. I > > picked the > > cube up again about a year ago - a lost artifact of my childhood, and I > > discovered that > > there was an entire community of speedcubists out there. I thought I'd > > join in. > > > > My current average solve time is about 90 seconds, and I have a personal > > goal to bring > > that down below 60 seconds. I use my own system, which I suppose is a > > combination of > > the Friedrich F2L and the Petrus LL. I've recently begun study of the PLL > > algorithms in an > > effort to trim some seconds off my time. Honestly, though, I lose more > > time in the F2L. > > Once I get the F2L, I'm usually about 20 seconds from a solved cube, so > > any hints or > > pointers to hints on the F2L are welcomed. > > > > I'm currently working on serious finger-tricking, too, and I'm getting fed > > up with my cube. > > It gets caught up on itself all the time, and I'm trying to figure out of > > that's my lack of > > dexterity, or the cube being too loose. > > > > Anyway, I probably won't post much, since I suspect I have a lot more to > > take away than to > > offer this group at this point, so thanks an advance for any advice, > > pointers, help that y'all > > offer. Please forgive me if I ask too many newb questions. > > > > Blue skies, > > > > George > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I'm working in Philadelphia in the Summer, but I can stop by New York City on the weekends. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: > > Who lives/works/hangs out in the city? I'm there practically every > day now. > > Bob >

That would be awesome x]] lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: i am just wondering if cubesmith or other sites will decide to make Cube vinyl stickers for cars. maybe something that say "cubist in car" or maybe a 3D cut of a rubik's cube. well you know anything nice to display on our car to show our appreciation for the rubik's cube --John lwin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm up in Westchester, but other than this Thursday I'm not free until August 11th. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: > > Who lives/works/hangs out in the city? I'm there practically every > day now. > > Bob >

Almost forgot, how about "got cube?" :-D Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: That would be awesome x]] lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: i am just wondering if cubesmith or other sites will decide to make Cube vinyl stickers for cars. maybe something that say "cubist in car" or maybe a 3D cut of a rubik's cube. well you know anything nice to display on our car to show our appreciation for the rubik's cube --John lwin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Summer is boring. Maybe I can make a t-shirt depeicting that and post it in the group. What does everyone think? Brian lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: Almost forgot, how about "got cube?" :-D Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: That would be awesome x]] lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: i am just wondering if cubesmith or other sites will decide to make Cube vinyl stickers for cars. maybe something that say "cubist in car" or maybe a 3D cut of a rubik's cube. well you know anything nice to display on our car to show our appreciation for the rubik's cube --John lwin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't think the hands' size has all that influence on 2-handed cubing...take a look at Bernett...he's just 9 years old, if I'm not wrong, and his hands are definately not big...and he's pretty good (not only for his age) I think the size can play a bigger part on OH cubing, though...Ryan Patricio has pretty long fingers, and I think the Dzoans too... Pedro Aili Asikainen <aili.asikainen@...> escreveu: I myself have quite smaal hands and I find it effecting my times in speedcubing twohanded becouse I can't perform fingertriks as fast as someone with bigger hands. And I think it's the same with one handed becouse you can't reach all the sides with your fingers. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" <comacotzi@...> wrote: > > Does there exist the possibility of smaller hands being > disadvantageous > in one-handed speedcubing? > > In terms of the standard 3x3 and two hands, size is definitely not an > issue; the exception being monstrously large or dwarfishly tiny hands. > > While dexterity and strength of hands is much more important than > size, it seems as if people with smaller hands (not children, for > they often lack dexterity at young ages--but grown adults whose > palms/fingers are just genetically smaller) would have to work much > harder to be proficient at one-handed speedcubing. > > Any thoughts? Anyone encountered hand-size issues at any time? > > From Wikipedia, which cites the Oxford English Dictionary: > Average length of male hand: 18.9 cm > Average breadth of male hand: 8.4 cm > Average length of female hand: 17.2 cm > Average breadth of female hand: 7.4 cm > > I couldn't find any information as to when hands stop growing. > > It may also be more prudent to look at palm size and finger length > separately, rather than the entire hand. > > ~Comacotzi > --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

that sounds great, lets see it! Also, the bumper sticker sounds good. Too bad i don't have a car yet =l -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Summer is boring. Maybe I can make a t-shirt depeicting that and post it in the group. What does everyone think? > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > Almost forgot, > > how about "got cube?" > > :-D > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > That would be awesome x]] > > lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: i am just wondering if cubesmith or other sites will decide to make > Cube vinyl stickers for cars. > > maybe something that say "cubist in car" or maybe a 3D cut of a rubik's > cube. well you know anything nice to display on our car to show our > appreciation for the rubik's cube > > --John lwin. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Ran across this at hot topic, had to pick one up to put in my car window: http://tinyurl.com/2kw668 (Hot topic is kind of a teen goth alternative store in malls around here... as a 24 year old married man I only felt slighlty out of place picking one up, but I do like their witty t-shirts and stickers and such.) I also have printed out the logo of this group and have it in one corner of my back windshield. I always love items to show your cubing pride! -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lkyawkyaw" <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > > i am just wondering if cubesmith or other sites will decide to make > Cube vinyl stickers for cars. > > maybe something that say "cubist in car" or maybe a 3D cut of a rubik's > cube. well you know anything nice to display on our car to show our > appreciation for the rubik's cube > > --John lwin. >

Pochmann's M2/R2 was too hard for me >.> (I know, I'm crazy) so I switched to 3 cycle. How do you solve EP (1 2 10 12). I'm using Macky's numbering system for ease of explanation. Brian

is does mixing cubelube.com with snap or another silicon spray yeild good results?

Setup Moves: R2 D' B2 Alg: Z-Perm (R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' U2) Undo Setup Moves: B2 D R2 -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Brian Le" <khoale1234567@...> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:37 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Blindcubing 3 cycle > > Pochmann's M2/R2 was too hard for me >.> (I know, I'm crazy) so I > switched to 3 cycle. How do you solve EP (1 2 10 12). I'm using Macky's > numbering system for ease of explanation. > > Brian

Hi :-) I'd guess L U' L' - (U2S2)*2 - L U L' or similar (S being of course the layer between F and B) would be much much faster?? Maybe this one is more bld friendly: F2 U B2 *H-perm* B2 U' F2 ?? -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Setup Moves: R2 D' B2 > Alg: Z-Perm (R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' U2) > Undo Setup Moves: B2 D R2 > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: "Brian Le" <khoale1234567@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:37 AM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Blindcubing 3 cycle > > > > Pochmann's M2/R2 was too hard for me >.> (I know, I'm crazy) so I > > switched to 3 cycle. How do you solve EP (1 2 10 12). I'm using Macky's > > numbering system for ease of explanation. > > > > Brian >

Hi :-) Well, (1 2 10 12) is a 4-cycle. I would first do (1 2 10) and then (1 12) together with 2 corners. -- Johannes Laire --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > I'd guess > > L U' L' - (U2S2)*2 - L U L' or similar > (S being of course the layer between F and B) > > would be much much faster?? > > Maybe this one is more bld friendly: > F2 U B2 *H-perm* B2 U' F2 ?? > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > Setup Moves: R2 D' B2 > > Alg: Z-Perm (R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' U2) > > Undo Setup Moves: B2 D R2 > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > From: "Brian Le" <khoale1234567@> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:37 AM > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Blindcubing 3 cycle > > > > > > Pochmann's M2/R2 was too hard for me >.> (I know, I'm crazy) so I > > > switched to 3 cycle. How do you solve EP (1 2 10 12). I'm using > Macky's > > > numbering system for ease of explanation. > > > > > > Brian > > >

Hi :-) Yes i was a bit confused whether he meant 2 swaps or a 4-cycle. My suggestion replaces avgalens suggestion. The exact best solution will depend on what corners are acceptable to mess about with ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" <johannes.laire@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Well, (1 2 10 12) is a 4-cycle. I would first do (1 2 10) and then (1 > 12) together with 2 corners. > > -- > Johannes Laire > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > I'd guess > > > > L U' L' - (U2S2)*2 - L U L' or similar > > (S being of course the layer between F and B) > > > > would be much much faster?? > > > > Maybe this one is more bld friendly: > > F2 U B2 *H-perm* B2 U' F2 ?? > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > Setup Moves: R2 D' B2 > > > Alg: Z-Perm (R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' U2) > > > Undo Setup Moves: B2 D R2 > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > From: "Brian Le" <khoale1234567@> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:37 AM > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Blindcubing 3 cycle > > > > > > > > Pochmann's M2/R2 was too hard for me >.> (I know, I'm crazy) so I > > > > switched to 3 cycle. How do you solve EP (1 2 10 12). I'm using > > Macky's > > > > numbering system for ease of explanation. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > >

Hi Kirk, Like anything else from 30 years ago, my memory is a little fuzzy. I was living in Scotland when I got my first cube. I don't know if that means it was earlier or later. I remember who my teacher was because she confiscated it, and if my math is right, that would put it in either late 1979 or early 1980. I had already checked out the Doug Reed page, and I found it very helpful. It greatly improved my intuitive understanding of the F2L moves, which in turn, has helped me to memorize algs for those F2L permutations which I wasn't able to do both quickly and intuitively. I think my problem lies in finding the cubies quickly enough. I don't have the "vision" yet, and I spend most of my time looking for two that match. Lately, I've been timing just the F2L portion of my solve. When I go slowly, it's somewhere between 55-65 seconds. When I try to go quickly, sometimes it goes as slow as 90 seconds because I mess up more. Can you or anyone recommend ways to improve my vision and find the next cubes so that my pause between algs is lower? It's hard to imagine that I'll get it down to 30. I'm not sure I have the time to devote to it, but I am spending time on it every day lately. Part of me is annoyed because I've done a lot of work learning a lot of new techniques, and finally gotten back down to the same time I was able to average using the "Simple Solution" that I learned back in the 80s. Oh, are there any cubing groups in the Boston area? Has anyone compiled a website with lists of cubing groups/clubs/whatever? Anyway, thanks to everyone for their advice. I'm still having fun. George On 6/26/07, kirk83616 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Welcome, George! > > I too have been cubing since the early 80s (though if you had a cube > in 1978 or 1979, you were definitely very early, it wasn't generally > available in the US until 1980). > > The F2L tips already mentioned are very helpful. There are plenty of > videos out there of people showing the techniques, and it's helpful > to watch their hand positioning to pick up the finger tricks. > > It also helps to get together with other cubers--at least I learn > better that way. Where do you live? > > My wife teases me becuase I too once said I'd be happy if I got my > time under a minute, which is about as fast as I ever did it in the > 80s, but now I'm not happy if a solve is over 30 seconds. I've been > speedcubing about 2 years now, but I don't practice as much as most > people in here (you could get to sub-30 in a few months with > consistent practice). > > good luck with your cubing! > --Kirk > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Alexander J > Goldberg" <ajgold04@...> wrote: > > > > Begin here: > > http://dougreed.no-ip.org/~doug/f2l/f2l.htm > > Solve the cube slowly many times and workout your own F2L methods. > > Then go to: > > www.cubeloop.com - a site with a substantial F2L section. > > There you can compare what you do with what they've got, > > and you can modify your methods as you see fit. > > > > Another alternative is to memorize algorithms for F2L. > > > > > > On 6/25/07, peasoffluff <gmadrid@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Just found this group, and I thought I'd introduce myself. > > > > > > My name is George Madrid, and I've been cubing since about 1978 > or 1979. I > > > picked the > > > cube up again about a year ago - a lost artifact of my > childhood, and I > > > discovered that > > > there was an entire community of speedcubists out there. I > thought I'd > > > join in. > > > > > > My current average solve time is about 90 seconds, and I have a > personal > > > goal to bring > > > that down below 60 seconds. I use my own system, which I suppose > is a > > > combination of > > > the Friedrich F2L and the Petrus LL. I've recently begun study > of the PLL > > > algorithms in an > > > effort to trim some seconds off my time. Honestly, though, I > lose more > > > time in the F2L. > > > Once I get the F2L, I'm usually about 20 seconds from a solved > cube, so > > > any hints or > > > pointers to hints on the F2L are welcomed. > > > > > > I'm currently working on serious finger-tricking, too, and I'm > getting fed > > > up with my cube. > > > It gets caught up on itself all the time, and I'm trying to > figure out of > > > that's my lack of > > > dexterity, or the cube being too loose. > > > > > > Anyway, I probably won't post much, since I suspect I have a lot > more to > > > take away than to > > > offer this group at this point, so thanks an advance for any > advice, > > > pointers, help that y'all > > > offer. Please forgive me if I ask too many newb questions. > > > > > > Blue skies, > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi friends, I'd just like to let you know that today I found out that I achieved a First class degree with Honours in Meteorology & Oceanography. :) Dan H :)

Hi Dan :-) Go and celebrate thoroughly and gracefully ;-) I knew you would make it mate!! Bu the way, most our weather here in norway is arriving from UK, so please bring nice weather :-P -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Hi friends, > > I'd just like to let you know that today I found out that I achieved a > First class degree with Honours in Meteorology & Oceanography. :) > > Dan H :) >

Many congratulations Dan! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] News Hi friends, I'd just like to let you know that today I found out that I achieved a First class degree with Honours in Meteorology & Oceanography. :) Dan H :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i will be in the seattle area (around kent i believe) for a couple days, and then in portland for a couple days after that, and i was wondering who's around and possibly available to do some cubing. i'm up there for work so my schedule is usually kind of tight, but i'd like to try and meet up with some people while i'm in those places. you can pm me or something if you're available, it would probably be better to use rxdeath (a.t.) g-mail because this account is only for this forum and its hard to sift though them all, if you don't get the email address, just go to the contact link on bigcubes.com --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Summer is so boring. Are there any cubers in or around the Tri-City Area in California? I bet there are...

i am just up in millbrae, maybe a 20 minute trip Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Summer is so boring. Are there any cubers in or around the Tri-City Area in California? I bet there are... --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

me + dzoans --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i am just up in millbrae, maybe a 20 minute trip > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Summer is so boring. Are there any cubers in or around the Tri-City > Area in California? I bet there are... > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

ah, i see. just wanna knwo. goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@...> wrote: me + dzoans --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i am just up in millbrae, maybe a 20 minute trip > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Summer is so boring. Are there any cubers in or around the Tri-City > Area in California? I bet there are... > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm looking for a Rubik's Cube Applet on a website that lets you input an algorithm, and then the cube onscreen makes the moves specified in what you inputted. No weird downloads or anything--it's just a program on a website. I stumbled upon one around a month back, but am having difficulty relocating it. I've tried retracing my steps and everything, but I can't find it again. If anyone can help or point me in the right direction, I'd be much obliged. ~Comacotzi

Does anyone know where I can learn how to make a website? For free x]] Brian

I can point you toward some site-building stuff or show you some myself. All i need to know is what you plan on doing with your website. Ex. forums, information based, simple/complex, etc. you can email me directly if you wish. jeff

http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" <comacotzi@...> wrote: > > I'm looking for a Rubik's Cube Applet on a website that lets you input > an algorithm, and then the cube onscreen makes the moves specified in > what you inputted. No weird downloads or anything--it's just a program > on a website. > > I stumbled upon one around a month back, but am having difficulty > relocating it. I've tried retracing my steps and everything, but I > can't find it again. > > If anyone can help or point me in the right direction, I'd be much > obliged. > > ~Comacotzi >

Well, you have lot's of options. Basically searching for 'animated cube' would give you results. Anyway here are some 1. http://vanderblonk.com/ This is my own site. The applet is on the "animated cube" page I also wrote a bookmarklet for this. Look under the tools section on the page 2. http://solvethecube.co.uk/ This site is by Joël van Noort. It also has a cube image generation thingy 3. http://cube.garron.us/tools/alggen.php This one can actually be used in the FireFox search bar Anybody else? Michiel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" <comacotzi@...> wrote: > > I'm looking for a Rubik's Cube Applet on a website that lets you input > an algorithm, and then the cube onscreen makes the moves specified in > what you inputted. No weird downloads or anything--it's just a program > on a website. > > I stumbled upon one around a month back, but am having difficulty > relocating it. I've tried retracing my steps and everything, but I > can't find it again. > > If anyone can help or point me in the right direction, I'd be much > obliged. > > ~Comacotzi >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der Blonk" <blonkm@...> wrote: > > Well, you have lot's of options. Basically searching for 'animated > cube' would give you results. > > Anyway here are some > > 1. http://vanderblonk.com/ > This is my own site. The applet is on the "animated cube" page > I also wrote a bookmarklet for this. Look under the tools section on > the page > > 2. http://solvethecube.co.uk/ > This site is by Joël van Noort. It also has a cube image generation > thingy > > 3. http://cube.garron.us/tools/alggen.php > This one can actually be used in the FireFox search bar > > Anybody else? > Michiel > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" > <comacotzi@> wrote: > > > > I'm looking for a Rubik's Cube Applet on a website that lets you > input > > an algorithm, and then the cube onscreen makes the moves specified in > > what you inputted. No weird downloads or anything--it's just a > program > > on a website. > > > > I stumbled upon one around a month back, but am having difficulty > > relocating it. I've tried retracing my steps and everything, but I > > can't find it again. > > > > If anyone can help or point me in the right direction, I'd be much > > obliged. > > > > ~Comacotzi > > > Well, this isn't really an applet, but it does work. CubeTwister http://www.randelshofer.ch/cubetwister/

Check this out... http://www.rubiks.ws/store.php Eric --- Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > Summer is boring. Maybe I can make a t-shirt > depeicting that and post it in the group. What does > everyone think? > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > Almost forgot, > > how about "got cube?" > > :-D > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > That would be awesome x]] > > lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: i am just > wondering if cubesmith or other sites will decide to > make > Cube vinyl stickers for cars. > > maybe something that say "cubist in car" or maybe a > 3D cut of a rubik's > cube. well you know anything nice to display on our > car to show our > appreciation for the rubik's cube > > --John lwin. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and > previews at Yahoo! Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php

if you want to learn html, css, etc., then i hear www.htmldog.com is a good site. It will at least get you started on web development. -Sapan On 6/27/07, jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I can point you toward some site-building stuff or show you some > myself. All i need to know is what you plan on doing with your website. > > Ex. forums, information based, simple/complex, etc. > > you can email me directly if you wish. > > jeff > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

And don't forget this one: http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/cubie.htm -------- Original Message -------- > From: "derangedwibble" <deranged.wibble@...> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:12 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Looking for a Specific Rubik's Cube Applet > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der Blonk" > <blonkm@...> wrote: > > > > Well, you have lot's of options. Basically searching for 'animated > > cube' would give you results. > > > > Anyway here are some > > > > 1. http://vanderblonk.com/ > > This is my own site. The applet is on the "animated cube" page > > I also wrote a bookmarklet for this. Look under the tools section on > > the page > > > > 2. http://solvethecube.co.uk/ > > This site is by Joël van Noort. It also has a cube image generation > > thingy > > > > 3. http://cube.garron.us/tools/alggen.php > > This one can actually be used in the FireFox search bar > > > > Anybody else? > > Michiel > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "comacotzi" > > <comacotzi@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm looking for a Rubik's Cube Applet on a website that lets you > > input > > > an algorithm, and then the cube onscreen makes the moves specified in > > > what you inputted. No weird downloads or anything--it's just a > > program > > > on a website. > > > > > > I stumbled upon one around a month back, but am having difficulty > > > relocating it. I've tried retracing my steps and everything, but I > > > can't find it again. > > > > > > If anyone can help or point me in the right direction, I'd be much > > > obliged. > > > > > > ~Comacotzi > > > > > > Well, this isn't really an applet, but it does work. CubeTwister > http://www.randelshofer.ch/cubetwister/

Hi :-) As a reference site www.w3schools.com is very good. But it's not a site i would recommend as an "idiots guide to web development". There's a number of good html books. But in order to make dynamic sites more is needed. 99.99% of all webhotels do support php and mysql. So a book on php/mysql may be very handy also. I still haven't found a good book that explains in some detail how to actually do good web DESIGN. With that i mean how to design databases efficiently and more advanced stuff on interaction between web pages (dataflow). I have by and large learnt most of what i know from a bit of trial and error and some "lucky googling". At university i only learnt standard languages like java and pascal (delphi). No course had any web programming, which is odd. I guess it's for some reason not of an academic nature :-( -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@...> wrote: > > if you want to learn html, css, etc., then i hear www.htmldog.com is a good > site. It will at least get you started on web development. > > -Sapan > > On 6/27/07, jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > I can point you toward some site-building stuff or show you some > > myself. All i need to know is what you plan on doing with your website. > > > > Ex. forums, information based, simple/complex, etc. > > > > you can email me directly if you wish. > > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi all, In one of his hilarious drunken stories, Chris Lennon queried whether or not there is a rule which says blind men are allowed to cube with their white stick. Well, is there? Dan H ;)

I think you Will be happy with one i use! Try www.freewebs.com when you have made one here or somewhere else link it to yahoo group! ----- Original Message ---- From: Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:32:24 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Making a website Hi :-) As a reference site www.w3schools. com is very good. But it's not a site i would recommend as an "idiots guide to web development" . There's a number of good html books. But in order to make dynamic sites more is needed. 99.99% of all webhotels do support php and mysql. So a book on php/mysql may be very handy also. I still haven't found a good book that explains in some detail how to actually do good web DESIGN. With that i mean how to design databases efficiently and more advanced stuff on interaction between web pages (dataflow). I have by and large learnt most of what i know from a bit of trial and error and some "lucky googling". At university i only learnt standard languages like java and pascal (delphi). No course had any web programming, which is odd. I guess it's for some reason not of an academic nature :-( -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@... > wrote: > > if you want to learn html, css, etc., then i hear www.htmldog. com is a good > site. It will at least get you started on web development. > > -Sapan > > On 6/27/07, jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: > > > > I can point you toward some site-building stuff or show you some > > myself. All i need to know is what you plan on doing with your website. > > > > Ex. forums, information based, simple/complex, etc. > > > > you can email me directly if you wish. > > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 6/27/07, comacotzi <comacotzi@...> wrote: > I'm looking for a Rubik's Cube Applet on a website that lets you input > an algorithm, and then the cube onscreen makes the moves specified in > what you inputted. No weird downloads or anything--it's just a program > on a website. I'm almost certain you weren't referring to this page, but it probably does what you want. http://puzzlingaddiction.com/Cube/f2l/movelist.html Just paste a list of algs into that form. For example, you could try these: L2 B' F U2 R B2 F2 L' U2 B' F R2 U' B U2 L' F2 B' U' B U F2 L2 U2 L' B' L2 R' F' R F2 L' F R U2 R2 F L' R For each alg, you'll get a list of links to an applet that will show the moves of the alg. Also, there are some other links for doing various translations on the algorithm.

Brian Le wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can learn how to make a website? For free x]] > Here: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/ I find it very interesting! :-) It's also an excellent reference in case you aren't patient enough to read all of it. There's a very good list of free hosts at http://www.free-webhosts.com/, my personal favourite is http://freehostia.com/ -- Johannes Laire

Thanks, all of you guys. Tim actually got the one I had found before. But all the other ones are useful too. In case you were wondering, I'm using these applets to figure out and type out all 48 algorithms (it's really only 24 and reverses/mirrors of them) for the CMLL table on Gilles Roux's website. Just because I'm not good at mirroring and reversing in my head. It's almost done, so if anyone wants a copy of all the written-out algorithms, just let me know. You could check them for me too, while you're at it. :) ~Comacotzi

Finally took the time to finish my report about the US Open: http://rubik.talk-sep.net/?page=US2007 Sven

Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible for a blind cuber to compete under the current rules.

Hi Michael, Thanks. Yes, you are right. Currently we have: 2s) For competitors with hearing disabilities, judges may replace the vocal instructions with hand signals. 2t) For competitors with physical disabilities, judges may give help with starting and stopping the timer. I will add an article for visual disabilities in the next version. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gottlieb" <mzrg@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:38 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Blind man cubing with stick Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible for a blind cuber to compete under the current rules.

Hi! just bought a rubik's cube made in china and it's printed with pictures of dogs. It's too tight and i wanna practice speedcubing. had a good cube once but lost it. What's the best brand of rubik and where can i buy it? Also, i heard something about a rubik's studio cube? can i get more info on this? Thanks!!

Well, I always make sure that the cubes i buy are official rubik's brand (even 4x4s and 5x5s). They seem to work best (easiest) for lubing and speed. If you are looking for a quality cube that will move very fast, I would go for a rubik's DIY. I don't have one, and dont know the best place to buy them but i know rubiks.com and cube4you.com have them available. I would wait for someone else to tell you the best place to buy those. If you just want a regular rubik's brand cube, there are tons of places to buy from. I personally buy from ebay (not many do, or think i should), but there are many other places (cubesmith.com, cube4you.com, mefferts.com). I dont know much about the rubiks studio, so i'm not going to try telling you something that is wrong. hope that points you to some good places, jeff

Corrections: Cubesmith.com does not sell puzzles. Mefferts.com does not sell rubik's 3x3's. I have no experience with either cube4you.com or 9spuzzles.com, so I cannot comment on either. However rubiks.com works fine for me for buying DIY kits. My current best speedcube is just a plain old store- bought cube, not a DIY or anything fancy. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > Well, I always make sure that the cubes i buy are official rubik's > brand (even 4x4s and 5x5s). They seem to work best (easiest) for > lubing and speed. If you are looking for a quality cube that will move > very fast, I would go for a rubik's DIY. I don't have one, and dont > know the best place to buy them but i know rubiks.com and cube4you.com > have them available. I would wait for someone else to tell you the > best place to buy those. If you just want a regular rubik's brand > cube, there are tons of places to buy from. I personally buy from ebay > (not many do, or think i should), but there are many other places > (cubesmith.com, cube4you.com, mefferts.com). I dont know much about > the rubiks studio, so i'm not going to try telling you something that > is wrong. > > > > hope that points you to some good places, > > jeff >

Cubesmith.com has a good link to some puzzles. sorry i didnt post the direct link and assumed you could click 2 times on the cubesmith site to get to edsthinkshop.com/rubiksforsale.html and i was thinking of mefferts as a puzzle place and forgot they didnt sell 3x3s, but they do sell some other interesting puzzles. jeff

For Rubik's Studio Cubes, check eBay. I have tried cube4you.com/9spuzzles.com DIYs, rubiks.com DIYs (although it's been a while), and Rubik's store bought cubes. From my experience, the store bought cubes could be used for speedsolving, although they take some wear. But, I prefer DIYs because I can cut corners with them, unlike the store bought cubes. For store bought cubes, you could check places like Wal-mart. As far as differences between the Chinese DIYs and rubiks.com DIYs, there isn't much. Besides the fact that the former can be in different colors (which are made of different material, and thus differ between each other), they're pretty similar. If you have the money, I'd say to try both and see which one fits your liking better, but if now, it is safe to say to go ahead and get a rubiks.com DIY, as it can make a very good speedcube. Jon Choi --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan" <benjediman@...> wrote: > > Hi! just bought a rubik's cube made in china and it's printed with > pictures of dogs. It's too tight and i wanna practice speedcubing. had > a good cube once but lost it. What's the best brand of rubik and where > can i buy it? > > Also, i heard something about a rubik's studio cube? can i get more > info on this? > > Thanks!! >

I'm learning the 3 cykle method too. And I was thinking how would you solve CP case (1 3 5) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Le" <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Pochmann's M2/R2 was too hard for me >.> (I know, I'm crazy) so I > switched to 3 cycle. How do you solve EP (1 2 10 12). I'm using Macky's > numbering system for ease of explanation. > > Brian >

http://cube.garron.us/BLD/CP.htm: Listed as [5 1 3] (R2' U)(L2' U)(R2 U')(L2' U)(R2' U2 R2') I highly recommend learning it. It's fun to do on a good cube :-) Made into a regular 3-cycle: R2 D (R' B' R F2 R' B R F2) D' R2 In case you want another alg: There's ([F'LFL']x3 U2)x2 Macky gives two applicable algs: http://www.cubefreak.net/blindfoldcubing_guide.html#CP CubeExplorer gives the following optimal algs: R U L2 U R' U' L2 U R U2 R' (11f*) B' U' F2 U' B U F2 U' B' U2 B (11f*) R2 U L2 U R2 U' L2 U R2 U2 R2 (11f*) B2 U' F2 U' B2 U F2 U' B2 U2 B2 (11f*) R' D R' F2 R D' R' D F2 D' R2 (11f*) B D' B L2 B' D B D' L2 D B2 (11f*) F2 D' F2 D' B2 D F2 D' B2 D2 F2 (11f*) L2 D L2 D R2 D' L2 D R2 D2 L2 (11f*) F' L' F2 L' B L F2 L' B' L2 F (11f*) L F L2 F R' F' L2 F R F2 L' (11f*) And I noticed these, too: U2 R F' R F R2 U2 R2 F' R' F R' (12f) U' R U2 L' U2 R' U2 R U2 L U2 R' U' (13f) U' R U2 L' U2 R' U2 L F2 L F2 L' U' (13f) Hope something here helped... -Lucas Garron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aili Asikainen" <aili.asikainen@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Blindcubing 3 cycle > I'm learning the 3 cykle method too. And I was thinking how would you > solve CP case (1 3 5)

The Chinese DIY uses Studio Cube-like center caps, and come with corner caps. My personal preference is to put the corner caps in. The older Chinese DIYs were about 1.5x as heavy as a rubiks.com DIY, but now they're about the same. Also, get the type-A DIYs; the type-Bs are pretty awful. I personally still use a rubiks.com DIY because it has been so well worn. Also, make sure you get Cubesmith stickers: the PVC stickers that come with the cube will last less time as a set of Cubesmith stickers. If you get Cubesmith tiles, they'll be there practically forever. -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear <no_reply@...> wrote: > > For Rubik's Studio Cubes, check eBay. > > I have tried cube4you.com/9spuzzles.com DIYs, rubiks.com DIYs > (although it's been a while), and Rubik's store bought cubes. From my > experience, the store bought cubes could be used for speedsolving, > although they take some wear. But, I prefer DIYs because I can cut > corners with them, unlike the store bought cubes. For store bought > cubes, you could check places like Wal-mart. > > As far as differences between the Chinese DIYs and rubiks.com DIYs, > there isn't much. Besides the fact that the former can be in different > colors (which are made of different material, and thus differ between > each other), they're pretty similar. If you have the money, I'd say to > try both and see which one fits your liking better, but if now, it is > safe to say to go ahead and get a rubiks.com DIY, as it can make a > very good speedcube. > > Jon Choi > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan" > <benjediman@> wrote: > > > > Hi! just bought a rubik's cube made in china and it's printed with > > pictures of dogs. It's too tight and i wanna practice speedcubing. had > > a good cube once but lost it. What's the best brand of rubik and where > > can i buy it? > > > > Also, i heard something about a rubik's studio cube? can i get more > > info on this? > > > > Thanks!! > > >

Nice vids. It was great meeting all of you. Sven, nice report. -Pat On 6/20/07, Dan Dzoan <gvdlfs3@...> wrote: > > You should put a page about it on your website and do demonstration > videos and call it the Pochmann method. This could be the Rubik's > Revolution M2 method. > -Dan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Dan" <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > > > > 57 is awesome, my best was 48 :) > > > > The 57 was in semi-darkness, in bright light (in the place you see in > > the video) I believe I got to 48, too, with the method in the video. > > One of my methods that I think is good for a bright environment is to > > hold white and yellow on the sides almost covered with your palms to > > somewhat "create" darkness around them even in a bright room. Then > > you see their light on your palms and the other four lights by doing > > x-rotations. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Did anyone happen to catch the 16.36 on vid? Rafael may have, but doubtful. On 6/17/07, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I wonder what these beatable time ranges are. I mean, 21.15 is so much > easier than 16.36, isn't it? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > The single solve is getting crazy, what about the average ? > > Is it still in a beatable time range ? :p > > > > Congratulations. > > Gilles > > > > 2007/6/17, Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...>: > > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > stochastic_antishift > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Imagine that being accomplished in the 1980's tournament with Minh > > > Thai > > > > > > > > > > Not fair, Minh was using a brand new untrigable cube. Look at the > video > > > from the competition and you can see him doing wrist turns all the > way. > > > Really impressing, I can't get much better times than 1 minute if I'm > > > using a stiff cube like that one. > > > > > > // Kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I will answer this Pochmann style ;) "Yes" Enjoy On 6/17/07, bigrutti <bigrutti@...> wrote: > > I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good method for blindfolded > speed cubing and if so where i might be able to find some info on it. > Thanks, > Shane > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah, w3.org or w3schools is good. Just do some searching and you will find thousands. If you need further help, I am willing to help, just ask. Good luck. On 6/28/07, Johannes Laire <johannes.laire@...> wrote: > > Brian Le wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where I can learn how to make a website? For free x]] > > > > Here: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/ > > I find it very interesting! :-) It's also an excellent reference in > case you aren't patient enough to read all of it. > > There's a very good list of free hosts at > http://www.free-webhosts.com/, my personal favourite is > http://freehostia.com/ > > -- > Johannes Laire > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I personally think that the color cube you get makes a larger difference than simply the type (screws and whatnot). I have seen some very good transparent cubes (which only come in B), and I have an okay gold cube (which also only comes in B). Jon Choi --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > The Chinese DIY uses Studio Cube-like center caps, and come with > corner caps. My personal preference is to put the corner caps in. The > older Chinese DIYs were about 1.5x as heavy as a rubiks.com DIY, but > now they're about the same. Also, get the type-A DIYs; the type-Bs > are pretty awful. I personally still use a rubiks.com DIY because it > has been so well worn. Also, make sure you get Cubesmith stickers: > the PVC stickers that come with the cube will last less time as a set > of Cubesmith stickers. If you get Cubesmith tiles, they'll be there > practically forever. > > -Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > For Rubik's Studio Cubes, check eBay. > > > > I have tried cube4you.com/9spuzzles.com DIYs, rubiks.com DIYs > > (although it's been a while), and Rubik's store bought cubes. From > my > > experience, the store bought cubes could be used for speedsolving, > > although they take some wear. But, I prefer DIYs because I can cut > > corners with them, unlike the store bought cubes. For store bought > > cubes, you could check places like Wal-mart. > > > > As far as differences between the Chinese DIYs and rubiks.com DIYs, > > there isn't much. Besides the fact that the former can be in > different > > colors (which are made of different material, and thus differ > between > > each other), they're pretty similar. If you have the money, I'd say > to > > try both and see which one fits your liking better, but if now, it > is > > safe to say to go ahead and get a rubiks.com DIY, as it can make a > > very good speedcube. > > > > Jon Choi > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan" > > <benjediman@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi! just bought a rubik's cube made in china and it's printed with > > > pictures of dogs. It's too tight and i wanna practice > speedcubing. had > > > a good cube once but lost it. What's the best brand of rubik and > where > > > can i buy it? > > > > > > Also, i heard something about a rubik's studio cube? can i get > more > > > info on this? > > > > > > Thanks!! > > > > > >

But remember, transparent cubes aren't legal. :P -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I personally think that the color cube you get makes a larger > difference than simply the type (screws and whatnot). I have seen some > very good transparent cubes (which only come in B), and I have an okay > gold cube (which also only comes in B). > > Jon Choi > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > The Chinese DIY uses Studio Cube-like center caps, and come with > > corner caps. My personal preference is to put the corner caps in. The > > older Chinese DIYs were about 1.5x as heavy as a rubiks.com DIY, but > > now they're about the same. Also, get the type-A DIYs; the type- Bs > > are pretty awful. I personally still use a rubiks.com DIY because it > > has been so well worn. Also, make sure you get Cubesmith stickers: > > the PVC stickers that come with the cube will last less time as a set > > of Cubesmith stickers. If you get Cubesmith tiles, they'll be there > > practically forever. > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > For Rubik's Studio Cubes, check eBay. > > > > > > I have tried cube4you.com/9spuzzles.com DIYs, rubiks.com DIYs > > > (although it's been a while), and Rubik's store bought cubes. >From > > my > > > experience, the store bought cubes could be used for speedsolving, > > > although they take some wear. But, I prefer DIYs because I can cut > > > corners with them, unlike the store bought cubes. For store bought > > > cubes, you could check places like Wal-mart. > > > > > > As far as differences between the Chinese DIYs and rubiks.com DIYs, > > > there isn't much. Besides the fact that the former can be in > > different > > > colors (which are made of different material, and thus differ > > between > > > each other), they're pretty similar. If you have the money, I'd say > > to > > > try both and see which one fits your liking better, but if now, it > > is > > > safe to say to go ahead and get a rubiks.com DIY, as it can make a > > > very good speedcube. > > > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan" > > > <benjediman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi! just bought a rubik's cube made in china and it's printed with > > > > pictures of dogs. It's too tight and i wanna practice > > speedcubing. had > > > > a good cube once but lost it. What's the best brand of rubik and > > where > > > > can i buy it? > > > > > > > > Also, i heard something about a rubik's studio cube? can i get > > more > > > > info on this? > > > > > > > > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > >

In my humble opinion, comparing 1981 cubers to 2007, the cubers today are far better than cubers back in 1981. I can get times under 20 seconds with rather stiff cubes, and I've seen it done even faster, with times in the 17's and 18's with very stiff cubes. But in any case, cubers today have to be better than they were before. There is very open communication now, and with the internet and the sharing of ideas, improvement is very fast for everyone. This isn't to say that Minh Thai's accomplishment wasn't amazing. It was, but comparing cubers today to cubers back then just isn't doable. Who would win between Capablanca and Vishy Anand? Certainly Anand. With computers assisting, the training has become much more precise. I can almost guarantee that Magnus Carlsen will surpass Anand and Kramnik. Why? Computers and even better developed today then when Anand and Krmanik grew up playing chess. This is why we have cubers doing 15 second averages within months of picking up the cube. People are better now. But let's not compare Babe Ruth to Barry Bonds. Or John McEnroe to James Blake. Cy Young to Roger Clemens, or Fritz Kreisler to Itzakh Perlman to Vadim Repin. Times change, generations change, and all of us owe something to the people of the past. Without their work and their foundation, we would be must worse off. On 6/29/07, Pat (PJK) <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Did anyone happen to catch the 16.36 on vid? Rafael may have, but doubtful. > > On 6/17/07, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > I wonder what these beatable time ranges are. I mean, 21.15 is so much > > easier than 16.36, isn't it? > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Gilles van den > > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > > > The single solve is getting crazy, what about the average ? > > > Is it still in a beatable time range ? :p > > > > > > Congratulations. > > > Gilles > > > > > > 2007/6/17, Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...>: > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > stochastic_antishift > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Imagine that being accomplished in the 1980's tournament with Minh > > > > Thai > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not fair, Minh was using a brand new untrigable cube. Look at the > > video > > > > from the competition and you can see him doing wrist turns all the > > way. > > > > Really impressing, I can't get much better times than 1 minute if I'm > > > > using a stiff cube like that one. > > > > > > > > // Kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Timothy Sun wrote: > But remember, transparent cubes aren't legal. :P Rules that prevent us from using better cubes only stand in the way of progress. I would really love to see more experimentation with better cube designs. For example: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/2593 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/3028 -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Thanks! actually i had a rubiks.com cube the one i told you about that i lost. it's not exactly DIY.. its the one with a blank cube with pvc stickers included and lube. i loved it and im missing it hehe =D but it was my first cube so that's why i still asked coz i didnt know which cubes are actually good. the problem now is, i live in the philippines (southeast asia). I had my first one delivered to a friend who came to visit here. now i dont have anyone to ship to, and international shipping costs like twice the DIY cube. I love cubing but i still cant afford that im still a student and under my parents roof =p is there anyone who knows where to get a good cube probably nearer here? Thanks! and thanks again for those who replied! much appreciated! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > But remember, transparent cubes aren't legal. :P > > -Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I personally think that the color cube you get makes a larger > > difference than simply the type (screws and whatnot). I have seen > some > > very good transparent cubes (which only come in B), and I have an > okay > > gold cube (which also only comes in B). > > > > Jon Choi > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > The Chinese DIY uses Studio Cube-like center caps, and come with > > > corner caps. My personal preference is to put the corner caps in. > The > > > older Chinese DIYs were about 1.5x as heavy as a rubiks.com DIY, > but > > > now they're about the same. Also, get the type-A DIYs; the type- > Bs > > > are pretty awful. I personally still use a rubiks.com DIY because > it > > > has been so well worn. Also, make sure you get Cubesmith > stickers: > > > the PVC stickers that come with the cube will last less time as a > set > > > of Cubesmith stickers. If you get Cubesmith tiles, they'll be > there > > > practically forever. > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > For Rubik's Studio Cubes, check eBay. > > > > > > > > I have tried cube4you.com/9spuzzles.com DIYs, rubiks.com DIYs > > > > (although it's been a while), and Rubik's store bought cubes. > From > > > my > > > > experience, the store bought cubes could be used for > speedsolving, > > > > although they take some wear. But, I prefer DIYs because I can > cut > > > > corners with them, unlike the store bought cubes. For store > bought > > > > cubes, you could check places like Wal-mart. > > > > > > > > As far as differences between the Chinese DIYs and rubiks.com > DIYs, > > > > there isn't much. Besides the fact that the former can be in > > > different > > > > colors (which are made of different material, and thus differ > > > between > > > > each other), they're pretty similar. If you have the money, I'd > say > > > to > > > > try both and see which one fits your liking better, but if now, > it > > > is > > > > safe to say to go ahead and get a rubiks.com DIY, as it can > make a > > > > very good speedcube. > > > > > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan" > > > > <benjediman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi! just bought a rubik's cube made in china and it's printed > with > > > > > pictures of dogs. It's too tight and i wanna practice > > > speedcubing. had > > > > > a good cube once but lost it. What's the best brand of rubik > and > > > where > > > > > can i buy it? > > > > > > > > > > Also, i heard something about a rubik's studio cube? can i > get > > > more > > > > > info on this? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi :-) Does anyone have any good domino sites/methods to recommend? How much better is a spindled version compared to a grooved version (this is what i have - and after lubing it it pops too easily). And finally, has anyone done any move counts for domino solving. Im at about 45 turns on average, but i feel this can be improved A LOT. And i have a comment, about solved states. I have seen that Stefan solves the 2 sides into mirrored states, whereas i dont do this. I solve the 2 sides to same state. Theoretically solving into mirrored states gives 2 possible solutions whereas how i do it the solved state is unique. My solution: White=1,2,3>4,5,6>7,8,9 Black=1,2,3>4,5,6>7,8,9 Stefans solution White=1,2,3>4,5,6>7,8,9 Black=3,2,1>6,5,4>9,8,7 (or Black=1,2,3>4,5,6>7,8,9 White=3,2,1>6,5,4>9,8,7) Numbered from left to right >:new row. -Per

Hey guys, yesterday i was just cubing and getting some awesome times for me, i was getting all sorts of 15/16sec solves (and i normally avg like 19sec) so i went and grabbed the video camera, on it i caught a 13.82 sec solve and i decided to do one more solve when i got this 11.75 sec solve, i have the scramble if you guys want to see, wasn't lucky at all, but everything flowed together unbelievably, this was my best solve ever. http://youtube.com/watch?v=B7CiiN_1Y2A

Hey everyone, I am sure all of you (or most of you) have see the symmetry solve video ( http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6NuN4WZFM - from speedcubing.com ). A while ago I did something similar (solving 2 mirrored cubes at the same time) but the difference was that one of the cubes was in my back. I find it quite funny to practice too. (I have one video of it but the solve time is about 3 minutes and the quality is poor.) If someone wants to try and beat 1 minute... Gilles

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DMp5W0d78rk

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > Timothy Sun wrote: > > > But remember, transparent cubes aren't legal. :P > > Rules that prevent us from using better cubes only stand in the way of > progress. I would really love to see more experimentation with better > cube designs. > > For example: > > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/259 3 > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/302 8 > > -- > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > I got this idéa about a core ball 3x3x3. Use a ball intead of the spider and connect the centres to the ball as normally using screws and springs. Then redesign the internal parts of the edges and corners so they look like the ones in a Rubik's 4x4x4. A cube made like that, I belive, won't pop nor lock up as much as the ones whe have today. // Kenneth

You could check eBay stores, or other online cube stores; their prices (after shipping) may be cheaper. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan" <benjediman@...> wrote: > > Thanks! actually i had a rubiks.com cube the one i told you about that > i lost. it's not exactly DIY.. its the one with a blank cube with pvc > stickers included and lube. i loved it and im missing it hehe =D but > it was my first cube so that's why i still asked coz i didnt know > which cubes are actually good. > > the problem now is, i live in the philippines (southeast asia). I had > my first one delivered to a friend who came to visit here. now i dont > have anyone to ship to, and international shipping costs like twice > the DIY cube. I love cubing but i still cant afford that im still a > student and under my parents roof =p is there anyone who knows where > to get a good cube probably nearer here? Thanks! and thanks again for > those who replied! much appreciated! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > But remember, transparent cubes aren't legal. :P > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > I personally think that the color cube you get makes a larger > > > difference than simply the type (screws and whatnot). I have seen > > some > > > very good transparent cubes (which only come in B), and I have an > > okay > > > gold cube (which also only comes in B). > > > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The Chinese DIY uses Studio Cube-like center caps, and come with > > > > corner caps. My personal preference is to put the corner caps in. > > The > > > > older Chinese DIYs were about 1.5x as heavy as a rubiks.com DIY, > > but > > > > now they're about the same. Also, get the type-A DIYs; the type- > > Bs > > > > are pretty awful. I personally still use a rubiks.com DIY because > > it > > > > has been so well worn. Also, make sure you get Cubesmith > > stickers: > > > > the PVC stickers that come with the cube will last less time as a > > set > > > > of Cubesmith stickers. If you get Cubesmith tiles, they'll be > > there > > > > practically forever. > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For Rubik's Studio Cubes, check eBay. > > > > > > > > > > I have tried cube4you.com/9spuzzles.com DIYs, rubiks.com DIYs > > > > > (although it's been a while), and Rubik's store bought cubes. > > From > > > > my > > > > > experience, the store bought cubes could be used for > > speedsolving, > > > > > although they take some wear. But, I prefer DIYs because I can > > cut > > > > > corners with them, unlike the store bought cubes. For store > > bought > > > > > cubes, you could check places like Wal-mart. > > > > > > > > > > As far as differences between the Chinese DIYs and rubiks.com > > DIYs, > > > > > there isn't much. Besides the fact that the former can be in > > > > different > > > > > colors (which are made of different material, and thus differ > > > > between > > > > > each other), they're pretty similar. If you have the money, I'd > > say > > > > to > > > > > try both and see which one fits your liking better, but if now, > > it > > > > is > > > > > safe to say to go ahead and get a rubiks.com DIY, as it can > > make a > > > > > very good speedcube. > > > > > > > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan" > > > > > <benjediman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! just bought a rubik's cube made in china and it's printed > > with > > > > > > pictures of dogs. It's too tight and i wanna practice > > > > speedcubing. had > > > > > > a good cube once but lost it. What's the best brand of rubik > > and > > > > where > > > > > > can i buy it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, i heard something about a rubik's studio cube? can i > > get > > > > more > > > > > > info on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

get a competition in the philippines and someone to get a DIY for you. then when the come to compete there, make the transaction. or you can bribe your parents x]] brian Bryan <benjediman@...> wrote: Thanks! actually i had a rubiks.com cube the one i told you about that i lost. it's not exactly DIY.. its the one with a blank cube with pvc stickers included and lube. i loved it and im missing it hehe =D but it was my first cube so that's why i still asked coz i didnt know which cubes are actually good. the problem now is, i live in the philippines (southeast asia). I had my first one delivered to a friend who came to visit here. now i dont have anyone to ship to, and international shipping costs like twice the DIY cube. I love cubing but i still cant afford that im still a student and under my parents roof =p is there anyone who knows where to get a good cube probably nearer here? Thanks! and thanks again for those who replied! much appreciated! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > But remember, transparent cubes aren't legal. :P > > -Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I personally think that the color cube you get makes a larger > > difference than simply the type (screws and whatnot). I have seen > some > > very good transparent cubes (which only come in B), and I have an > okay > > gold cube (which also only comes in B). > > > > Jon Choi > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > The Chinese DIY uses Studio Cube-like center caps, and come with > > > corner caps. My personal preference is to put the corner caps in. > The > > > older Chinese DIYs were about 1.5x as heavy as a rubiks.com DIY, > but > > > now they're about the same. Also, get the type-A DIYs; the type- > Bs > > > are pretty awful. I personally still use a rubiks.com DIY because > it > > > has been so well worn. Also, make sure you get Cubesmith > stickers: > > > the PVC stickers that come with the cube will last less time as a > set > > > of Cubesmith stickers. If you get Cubesmith tiles, they'll be > there > > > practically forever. > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > For Rubik's Studio Cubes, check eBay. > > > > > > > > I have tried cube4you.com/9spuzzles.com DIYs, rubiks.com DIYs > > > > (although it's been a while), and Rubik's store bought cubes. > From > > > my > > > > experience, the store bought cubes could be used for > speedsolving, > > > > although they take some wear. But, I prefer DIYs because I can > cut > > > > corners with them, unlike the store bought cubes. For store > bought > > > > cubes, you could check places like Wal-mart. > > > > > > > > As far as differences between the Chinese DIYs and rubiks.com > DIYs, > > > > there isn't much. Besides the fact that the former can be in > > > different > > > > colors (which are made of different material, and thus differ > > > between > > > > each other), they're pretty similar. If you have the money, I'd > say > > > to > > > > try both and see which one fits your liking better, but if now, > it > > > is > > > > safe to say to go ahead and get a rubiks.com DIY, as it can > make a > > > > very good speedcube. > > > > > > > > Jon Choi > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan" > > > > <benjediman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi! just bought a rubik's cube made in china and it's printed > with > > > > > pictures of dogs. It's too tight and i wanna practice > > > speedcubing. had > > > > > a good cube once but lost it. What's the best brand of rubik > and > > > where > > > > > can i buy it? > > > > > > > > > > Also, i heard something about a rubik's studio cube? can i > get > > > more > > > > > info on this? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

you can find one @ toykingdom and toys r us here in the philippines. i got mine when i was in dubai.1 is not yet open. feels good even without lube. just use silicone spray available in hardwares.

We are looking to setup a competition in Denver, Colorado on January 5th and 6th of 2008, although that can changed if more people can make it at other times. As of now, we want to see who is interested and would most likely be able to come. Please post if you would be able to make it, and what dates would be best.

This is a bit old, but I found it searching YouTube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=U4gnSfwygO8&mode=related&search= It features Mateus, and Brian Kim. Start at around 2:10

Wow, I could actually make this one, provided I find a cheap flight and cheap hotel to stay in. What events are going to be in this competition? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "pjkalamosa" <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > We are looking to setup a competition in Denver, Colorado on January > 5th and 6th of 2008, although that can changed if more people can make > it at other times. As of now, we want to see who is interested and > would most likely be able to come. Please post if you would be able to > make it, and what dates would be best. >

Hi everyone, I'm glad to announce that a french rubik's cube competition will take place in Lyon on Saturday, September 1st. You can find all the information here : http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/clement.gallet/lyon/ I hope many of you guys will come :) Clément

We'd try to have all of the main ones, so 2x2,3x3,4x4,5x5,3x3bld, 3x3OH, Square-1, Fewest Moves, Magic, Master Magic (correct me if i left anything out) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, symbioticfear <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Wow, I could actually make this one, provided I find a cheap flight > and cheap hotel to stay in. > > What events are going to be in this competition? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "pjkalamosa" > <pjkcards@> wrote: > > > > We are looking to setup a competition in Denver, Colorado on January > > 5th and 6th of 2008, although that can changed if more people can make > > it at other times. As of now, we want to see who is interested and > > would most likely be able to come. Please post if you would be able to > > make it, and what dates would be best. > > >

I really hope i can come to that competition. It's not too far, and always fun in France. ----- Message d'origine ---- De : keyliepebble <keylie@gmail.com> À : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Dimanche, 1 Juillet 2007, 11h14mn 37s Objet : [Speed cubing group] Lyon Open 2007 Hi everyone, I'm glad to announce that a french rubik's cube competition will take place in Lyon on Saturday, September 1st. You can find all the information here : http://perso. ens-lyon. fr/clement. gallet/lyon/ I hope many of you guys will come :) Clément <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I dont know... i visited lots of toykingdoms and all they have are crappy imitations probably made in china. also national bookstores. but i did buy a 2x2x2 imitation in nat book thats really good, smooth without lube. but i still want a 3x3x3 =p and btw, so far i think there's no competitions in the philippnes, but i dont know. are there really toys r us here? i havent seen one yet. and im really hoping for a DIY, which is really rare, if ever, an item to sell in toy stores that target only kids (well, in the philippines anyways). but hey, thanks for the infos :) i'll try and check ebay. to all the filipino cubers here in the group, Mabuhay sa inyo!! hehehe!! (nagulat nga ako na may pinoy rin d2 eh =p) thanks for all the help, everybody! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, craxmile <no_reply@...> wrote: > > you can find one @ toykingdom and toys r us here in the philippines. > i got mine when i was in dubai.1 is not yet open. > feels good even without lube. > just use silicone spray available in hardwares. >

Does anyone know why the sunday contest scrambles aren't up? Thanks ~Corwin

I'm wondering the same thing too. Brian Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Does anyone know why the sunday contest scrambles aren't up? Thanks ~Corwin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I know the Tperm is like the easiest and one of the fastest algs, but I found one using a domino alg and I think it's pretty cool and has potential to be quick. Let me know if you've ever seen this alg. (R2 U R2 U' R2) U' D (R2 U' R2 U R2) D'

A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. He has saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 solves. Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, xx.13 and so on. Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or mabye in his computer. /Kåre

I just did an average to verify, I didn't get anything like this. -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "karekrig" <karkr936@...> wrote: > > > A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. He has > saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 solves. > Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, xx.13 > and so on. > > Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or mabye in > his computer. > > /Kåre >

Wow, not only is this easy to memorize, but pretty fast. Good job finding it. armorforsleepnj <armorforsleepnj@...> wrote: I know the Tperm is like the easiest and one of the fastest algs, but I found one using a domino alg and I think it's pretty cool and has potential to be quick. Let me know if you've ever seen this alg. (R2 U R2 U' R2) U' D (R2 U' R2 U R2) D' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hmm... that is interesting. I sat down and did an avg of 100 solves yesterday using JNetCube, you can see the results here: http://z12.invisionfree.com/rubiks/index.php?showtopic=1111 I just skimmed it just now to see if I saw any .01, .04, etc and I see solve 4, 52, 56 and solve 78 have those times. So I am guessing it is not a bug, and just a coincidence, or possibly something with his computer. This might be way out there, but could it be a computer problem, or Java problem that has a delay in stopping the timer which won't allow it to see on those times? It is tough to tell. -Patrick On 7/1/07, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > I just did an average to verify, I didn't get anything like this. > > -Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "karekrig" <karkr936@...> wrote: > > > > > > A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. He > has > > saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 solves. > > Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, > xx.13 > > and so on. > > > > Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or mabye > in > > his computer. > > > > /Kåre > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Agreed. Even I personally am (slightly) faster at 46 while hardly practicing than I was at 21 obsessing over it for hours every day. Communication and cooperation are incredibly powerful ways to solve problems. Cooperating teams of smart people will always beat lone geniuses. On Jun 30, 2007, at 0:13, Tyson Mao wrote: > In my humble opinion, comparing 1981 cubers to 2007, the cubers today > are far better than cubers back in 1981. I can get times under 20 > seconds with rather stiff cubes, and I've seen it done even faster, > with times in the 17's and 18's with very stiff cubes. > > But in any case, cubers today have to be better than they were before. > There is very open communication now, and with the internet and the > sharing of ideas, improvement is very fast for everyone. > > This isn't to say that Minh Thai's accomplishment wasn't amazing. It > was, but comparing cubers today to cubers back then just isn't doable. > Who would win between Capablanca and Vishy Anand? Certainly Anand. > With computers assisting, the training has become much more precise. > > I can almost guarantee that Magnus Carlsen will surpass Anand and > Kramnik. Why? Computers and even better developed today then when > Anand and Krmanik grew up playing chess. This is why we have cubers > doing 15 second averages within months of picking up the cube. > > People are better now. But let's not compare Babe Ruth to Barry > Bonds. Or John McEnroe to James Blake. Cy Young to Roger Clemens, or > Fritz Kreisler to Itzakh Perlman to Vadim Repin. > > Times change, generations change, and all of us owe something to the > people of the past. Without their work and their foundation, we would > be must worse off. > > On 6/29/07, Pat (PJK) <pjkcards@...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Did anyone happen to catch the 16.36 on vid? Rafael may have, but >> doubtful. >> >> On 6/17/07, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> I wonder what these beatable time ranges are. I mean, 21.15 is so >>> much >>> easier than 16.36, isn't it? >>> >>> --- In >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% >> 40yahoogroups.com>, >>> "Gilles van den >>> Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> The single solve is getting crazy, what about the average ? >>>> Is it still in a beatable time range ? :p >>>> >>>> Congratulations. >>>> Gilles >>>> >>>> 2007/6/17, Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...>: >>> >>>>> >>>>> --- In >>> >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% >> 40yahoogroups.com> >>> <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, >>>>> stochastic_antishift >>>>> <no_reply@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Imagine that being accomplished in the 1980's tournament with >>>>>> Minh >>>>> Thai >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not fair, Minh was using a brand new untrigable cube. Look at the >>> video >>>>> from the competition and you can see him doing wrist turns all the >>> way. >>>>> Really impressing, I can't get much better times than 1 minute >>>>> if I'm >>>>> using a stiff cube like that one. >>>>> >>>>> // Kenneth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com >> Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com >> Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it >> The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Yeah, I agree. Tyson is right. The world is becoming more efficient, and the cube is just 1 perfect example. I eventually think the amount of moves it takes to solve a cube will be factor behind a record. Methods like Heise, Petrus, Roux, etc. will be the dominant methods in the future since those have a lower move count. Maybe that is just me, but I see that happening. You can only go so far with 50 move avg, or a 40 move avg, etc. The lower move count will win the race. On 7/1/07, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > Agreed. > > Even I personally am (slightly) faster at 46 while hardly practicing > than I was at 21 obsessing over it for hours every day. > > Communication and cooperation are incredibly powerful ways to solve > problems. Cooperating teams of smart people will always beat lone > geniuses. > > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 0:13, Tyson Mao wrote: > > > In my humble opinion, comparing 1981 cubers to 2007, the cubers today > > are far better than cubers back in 1981. I can get times under 20 > > seconds with rather stiff cubes, and I've seen it done even faster, > > with times in the 17's and 18's with very stiff cubes. > > > > But in any case, cubers today have to be better than they were before. > > There is very open communication now, and with the internet and the > > sharing of ideas, improvement is very fast for everyone. > > > > This isn't to say that Minh Thai's accomplishment wasn't amazing. It > > was, but comparing cubers today to cubers back then just isn't doable. > > Who would win between Capablanca and Vishy Anand? Certainly Anand. > > With computers assisting, the training has become much more precise. > > > > I can almost guarantee that Magnus Carlsen will surpass Anand and > > Kramnik. Why? Computers and even better developed today then when > > Anand and Krmanik grew up playing chess. This is why we have cubers > > doing 15 second averages within months of picking up the cube. > > > > People are better now. But let's not compare Babe Ruth to Barry > > Bonds. Or John McEnroe to James Blake. Cy Young to Roger Clemens, or > > Fritz Kreisler to Itzakh Perlman to Vadim Repin. > > > > Times change, generations change, and all of us owe something to the > > people of the past. Without their work and their foundation, we would > > be must worse off. > > > > On 6/29/07, Pat (PJK) <pjkcards@... <pjkcards%40gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Did anyone happen to catch the 16.36 on vid? Rafael may have, but > >> doubtful. > >> > >> On 6/17/07, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I wonder what these beatable time ranges are. I mean, 21.15 is so > >>> much > >>> easier than 16.36, isn't it? > >>> > >>> --- In > >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube% > > >> 40yahoogroups.com>, > >>> "Gilles van den > >>> Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The single solve is getting crazy, what about the average ? > >>>> Is it still in a beatable time range ? :p > >>>> > >>>> Congratulations. > >>>> Gilles > >>>> > >>>> 2007/6/17, Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...>: > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In > >>> > >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube% > > >> 40yahoogroups.com> > >>> <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > >>>>> stochastic_antishift > >>>>> <no_reply@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Imagine that being accomplished in the 1980's tournament with > >>>>>> Minh > >>>>> Thai > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Not fair, Minh was using a brand new untrigable cube. Look at the > >>> video > >>>>> from the competition and you can see him doing wrist turns all the > >>> way. > >>>>> Really impressing, I can't get much better times than 1 minute > >>>>> if I'm > >>>>> using a stiff cube like that one. > >>>>> > >>>>> // Kenneth > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > >> Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > >> Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > >> The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "armorforsleepnj" <armorforsleepnj@...> wrote: > > I know the Tperm is like the easiest and one of the fastest algs, but I > found one using a domino alg and I think it's pretty cool and has > potential to be quick. Let me know if you've ever seen this alg. > > (R2 U R2 U' R2) U' D (R2 U' R2 U R2) D' > I think it was Johannes who posted this several weeks/months ago here. I use it for solving my 2x2x3! Thanks, Joey

The probability of 1668 solves without a xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, xx.13 is 0.95^1668 or about 6.966 X 10^-38 so yeah I agree there is probably a bug in the program or on his machine. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "karekrig" <karkr936@...> wrote: > > > A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. He has > saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 solves. > Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, xx.13 > and so on. > > Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or mabye in > his computer. > > /Kåre >

Hi :-) I cant see that happening anytime soon, that other methods will take over Fridrich's dominance. "Everyone" knows it and practices it a lot. It takes more than a low move count to make a good fast overall method. At least for 3x3x3 cube. For larger cubes however i believe that more move effcient ones will start to dominate. New systems will appear sooner or later. The systems you mentioned are well suited for fewest moves, at least for time limited fewest moves. But for speeding i think they are a long shot from taking over. Fridrich extensions are much more likely candidates for methods that may dominate in the future. One indication of this is the very few sites dedicated to these methods compared with Fridrich. I dont mind if i'm proven wrong, this is only my personal view :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > Yeah, I agree. Tyson is right. The world is becoming more efficient, and > the cube is just 1 perfect example. I eventually think the amount of moves > it takes to solve a cube will be factor behind a record. Methods like > Heise, Petrus, Roux, etc. will be the dominant methods in the future since > those have a lower move count. Maybe that is just me, but I see that > happening. You can only go so far with 50 move avg, or a 40 move avg, etc. > The lower move count will win the race. > > On 7/1/07, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > > > Agreed. > > > > Even I personally am (slightly) faster at 46 while hardly practicing > > than I was at 21 obsessing over it for hours every day. > > > > Communication and cooperation are incredibly powerful ways to solve > > problems. Cooperating teams of smart people will always beat lone > > geniuses. > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 0:13, Tyson Mao wrote: > > > > > In my humble opinion, comparing 1981 cubers to 2007, the cubers today > > > are far better than cubers back in 1981. I can get times under 20 > > > seconds with rather stiff cubes, and I've seen it done even faster, > > > with times in the 17's and 18's with very stiff cubes. > > > > > > But in any case, cubers today have to be better than they were before. > > > There is very open communication now, and with the internet and the > > > sharing of ideas, improvement is very fast for everyone. > > > > > > This isn't to say that Minh Thai's accomplishment wasn't amazing. It > > > was, but comparing cubers today to cubers back then just isn't doable. > > > Who would win between Capablanca and Vishy Anand? Certainly Anand. > > > With computers assisting, the training has become much more precise. > > > > > > I can almost guarantee that Magnus Carlsen will surpass Anand and > > > Kramnik. Why? Computers and even better developed today then when > > > Anand and Krmanik grew up playing chess. This is why we have cubers > > > doing 15 second averages within months of picking up the cube. > > > > > > People are better now. But let's not compare Babe Ruth to Barry > > > Bonds. Or John McEnroe to James Blake. Cy Young to Roger Clemens, or > > > Fritz Kreisler to Itzakh Perlman to Vadim Repin. > > > > > > Times change, generations change, and all of us owe something to the > > > people of the past. Without their work and their foundation, we would > > > be must worse off. > > > > > > On 6/29/07, Pat (PJK) <pjkcards@... <pjkcards%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Did anyone happen to catch the 16.36 on vid? Rafael may have, but > > >> doubtful. > > >> > > >> On 6/17/07, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply% 40yahoogroups.com>> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I wonder what these beatable time ranges are. I mean, 21.15 is so > > >>> much > > >>> easier than 16.36, isn't it? > > >>> > > >>> --- In > > >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > > >> 40yahoogroups.com>, > > >>> "Gilles van den > > >>> Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> The single solve is getting crazy, what about the average ? > > >>>> Is it still in a beatable time range ? :p > > >>>> > > >>>> Congratulations. > > >>>> Gilles > > >>>> > > >>>> 2007/6/17, Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@>: > > >>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> --- In > > >>> > > >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > > >> 40yahoogroups.com> > > >>> <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > >>>>> stochastic_antishift > > >>>>> <no_reply@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Imagine that being accomplished in the 1980's tournament with > > >>>>>> Minh > > >>>>> Thai > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Not fair, Minh was using a brand new untrigable cube. Look at the > > >>> video > > >>>>> from the competition and you can see him doing wrist turns all the > > >>> way. > > >>>>> Really impressing, I can't get much better times than 1 minute > > >>>>> if I'm > > >>>>> using a stiff cube like that one. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> // Kenneth > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > > >> Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > > >> Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > > >> The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > >> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I am talking about 7-10 years or so from now, that is my estimation. Of course, that is if people stay dedicated to solving and new ones come along that are dedicated. On 7/1/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > I cant see that happening anytime soon, that other methods will take > over Fridrich's dominance. "Everyone" knows it and practices it a > lot. It takes more than a low move count to make a good fast overall > method. At least for 3x3x3 cube. For larger cubes however i believe > that more move effcient ones will start to dominate. New systems will > appear sooner or later. The systems you mentioned are well suited for > fewest moves, at least for time limited fewest moves. But for > speeding i think they are a long shot from taking over. Fridrich > extensions are much more likely candidates for methods that may > dominate in the future. One indication of this is the very few sites > dedicated to these methods compared with Fridrich. I dont mind if i'm > proven wrong, this is only my personal view :-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Pat (PJK)" > <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I agree. Tyson is right. The world is becoming more > efficient, and > > the cube is just 1 perfect example. I eventually think the amount > of moves > > it takes to solve a cube will be factor behind a record. Methods > like > > Heise, Petrus, Roux, etc. will be the dominant methods in the > future since > > those have a lower move count. Maybe that is just me, but I see that > > happening. You can only go so far with 50 move avg, or a 40 move > avg, etc. > > The lower move count will win the race. > > > > On 7/1/07, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > Even I personally am (slightly) faster at 46 while hardly > practicing > > > than I was at 21 obsessing over it for hours every day. > > > > > > Communication and cooperation are incredibly powerful ways to > solve > > > problems. Cooperating teams of smart people will always beat lone > > > geniuses. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 0:13, Tyson Mao wrote: > > > > > > > In my humble opinion, comparing 1981 cubers to 2007, the cubers > today > > > > are far better than cubers back in 1981. I can get times under > 20 > > > > seconds with rather stiff cubes, and I've seen it done even > faster, > > > > with times in the 17's and 18's with very stiff cubes. > > > > > > > > But in any case, cubers today have to be better than they were > before. > > > > There is very open communication now, and with the internet and > the > > > > sharing of ideas, improvement is very fast for everyone. > > > > > > > > This isn't to say that Minh Thai's accomplishment wasn't > amazing. It > > > > was, but comparing cubers today to cubers back then just isn't > doable. > > > > Who would win between Capablanca and Vishy Anand? Certainly > Anand. > > > > With computers assisting, the training has become much more > precise. > > > > > > > > I can almost guarantee that Magnus Carlsen will surpass Anand > and > > > > Kramnik. Why? Computers and even better developed today then > when > > > > Anand and Krmanik grew up playing chess. This is why we have > cubers > > > > doing 15 second averages within months of picking up the cube. > > > > > > > > People are better now. But let's not compare Babe Ruth to Barry > > > > Bonds. Or John McEnroe to James Blake. Cy Young to Roger > Clemens, or > > > > Fritz Kreisler to Itzakh Perlman to Vadim Repin. > > > > > > > > Times change, generations change, and all of us owe something > to the > > > > people of the past. Without their work and their foundation, we > would > > > > be must worse off. > > > > > > > > On 6/29/07, Pat (PJK) <pjkcards@... <pjkcards%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Did anyone happen to catch the 16.36 on vid? Rafael may have, > but > > > >> doubtful. > > > >> > > > >> On 6/17/07, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > <no_reply% > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> I wonder what these beatable time ranges are. I mean, 21.15 > is so > > > >>> much > > > >>> easier than 16.36, isn't it? > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In > > > >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > 40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > > > > >> 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > >>> "Gilles van den > > > >>> Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The single solve is getting crazy, what about the average ? > > > >>>> Is it still in a beatable time range ? :p > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Congratulations. > > > >>>> Gilles > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 2007/6/17, Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@>: > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> --- In > > > >>> > > > >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > 40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > > > > >> 40yahoogroups.com> > > > >>> <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > >>>>> stochastic_antishift > > > >>>>> <no_reply@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Imagine that being accomplished in the 1980's tournament > with > > > >>>>>> Minh > > > >>>>> Thai > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Not fair, Minh was using a brand new untrigable cube. Look > at the > > > >>> video > > > >>>>> from the competition and you can see him doing wrist turns > all the > > > >>> way. > > > >>>>> Really impressing, I can't get much better times than 1 > minute > > > >>>>> if I'm > > > >>>>> using a stiff cube like that one. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> // Kenneth > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > > > >> Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > > > >> Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > > > >> The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > >> > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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I think that the movecount of a method is important, but it has to be weighted next to how much time it takes to figure out and execute each move. Comparing just Heise and Fridrich, the beginning of Heise will probably be significantly faster with practice, but the last steps, where everything but three corners are solved and then the corners are finished with a commutator, may take less moves than OLL/PLL but they may never be as fast to execute because of the huge amount of fingertricks and triggers in last layer algorithms. You can execute a memorized sequence of 14 moves (like a T-perm) faster than 14 moves you have to figure out. To take this to the extreme... well, look at Per's FMC solves. He routinely gets under 30 moves, but he's not going to speedsolve like this! Even if you can solve the cube in 10 seconds on average, 6 hours of inspection is not acceptable. Well, I guess the point is that for a 3x3x3 cube a significant decrease in movecount also means a decrease in turning speed and an increase in thinking speed, so it may not be as useful as you would think to decrease the number of moves. But, as Per said, things are different on a larger cube. Your turning speed during an algorithm may not be much higher than your turning speed during an intuitive step. Using a more optimal solution, especially in a reduction method, can give you a significant edge, and if you practice it enough you may not lose any time.

If we consider the "and so on" to mean that there are no times ending in .01+x*.03 for 0<=x<=32 (ranges from .01 to .97) then the probability is even less: .67^1668 ~ 7.8x10^-291 ouch. -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The probability of 1668 solves without a xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, > xx.13 is 0.95^1668 or about 6.966 X 10^-38 so yeah I agree there is > probably a bug in the program or on his machine. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "karekrig" > <karkr936@> wrote: > > > > > > A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. He has > > saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 solves. > > Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, xx.13 > > and so on. > > > > Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or mabye in > > his computer. > > > > /Kåre > > >

Two day competition? I could make the 5th, but would have to be home 6th because there is school the 7th. Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "pjkalamosa" <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > We are looking to setup a competition in Denver, Colorado on January > 5th and 6th of 2008, although that can changed if more people can make > it at other times. As of now, we want to see who is interested and > would most likely be able to come. Please post if you would be able to > make it, and what dates would be best. >

The results for challenge #3 are in: http://www.ryanheise.com/competitions/linearfmc/ 1st place - 33 moves - Ryan Heise 2nd place - 34 moves - Per Kristen Fredlund 3rd place - 34 moves - Gilles Roux 4th place - 36 moves - Guus Razoux Schultz 5th place - 39 moves - Johannes Laire I'd just like to point out how freaky these results are: Every one of the people listed above were on the other side of 40 in their previous challenge, and this week we all got in the 30s, most even in the *low* 30s, which is very freaky. Is there something about this week's scramble that created luck across so many different methods? I thought the edge situation was very advantageous, but even people who ignored that did very well this week. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

This would be very hard to diagnose without knowing a lot of specifics about his computer and setup. Specifically, there may be bugs in the timing code in his particular JVM implementation on his particular platform that are not present in any of the other environments that we're using for testing. This is to say that a) yes, there could be a bug on his system, but b) it's almost certainly not a bug in JNetCube. I suggest that he try upgrading his JVM and try again. George On 7/1/07, Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@hotmail.com> wrote: > > If we consider the "and so on" to mean that there are no times ending > in .01+x*.03 for 0<=x<=32 (ranges from .01 to .97) then the > probability is even less: > > .67^1668 ~ 7.8x10^-291 ouch. > > -Daniel > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > cmhardw <no_reply@...> > > wrote: > > > > The probability of 1668 solves without a xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, > > xx.13 is 0.95^1668 or about 6.966 X 10^-38 so yeah I agree there is > > probably a bug in the program or on his machine. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "karekrig" > > <karkr936@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. He has > > > saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 solves. > > > Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, xx.13 > > > and so on. > > > > > > Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or mabye in > > > his computer. > > > > > > /Kåre > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"Bug" may be too strong a word as well. It could just be that for some reason Java on that OS and computer can only produce 67 distinct measurements per second. The consequence would only be that the times are off by 0.01 second occasionally. It would be interesting to see the distribution for all other decimals. Are there further patterns? On Jul 1, 2007, at 22:40, George Madrid wrote: > This would be very hard to diagnose without knowing a lot of > specifics about > his computer and setup. Specifically, there may be bugs in the > timing code > in his particular JVM implementation on his particular platform > that are not > present in any of the other environments that we're using for testing. > This is to say that a) yes, there could be a bug on his system, but > b) it's > almost certainly not a bug in JNetCube. > > I suggest that he try upgrading his JVM and try again. > > George > > > On 7/1/07, Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@...> wrote: >> >> If we consider the "and so on" to mean that there are no times >> ending >> in .01+x*.03 for 0<=x<=32 (ranges from .01 to .97) then the >> probability is even less: >> >> .67^1668 ~ 7.8x10^-291 ouch. >> >> -Daniel >> >> --- In >> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% >> 40yahoogroups.com>, >> cmhardw <no_reply@...> >> >> wrote: >>> >>> The probability of 1668 solves without a xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, >>> xx.13 is 0.95^1668 or about 6.966 X 10^-38 so yeah I agree there is >>> probably a bug in the program or on his machine. >>> >>> --- In >>> speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% >>> 40yahoogroups.com>, >> "karekrig" >>> <karkr936@> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. >>>> He has >>>> saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 solves. >>>> Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, xx.10, >>>> xx.13 >>>> and so on. >>>> >>>> Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or >>>> mabye in >>>> his computer. >>>> >>>> /Kåre >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Hi, It's a nice alg... you might even find it easier to execute the D' right at the beginning, then the ending is faster. DanH :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "armorforsleepnj" <armorforsleepnj@...> wrote: > > I know the Tperm is like the easiest and one of the fastest algs, but I > found one using a domino alg and I think it's pretty cool and has > potential to be quick. Let me know if you've ever seen this alg. > > (R2 U R2 U' R2) U' D (R2 U' R2 U R2) D' >

Hey, I have some black goggles which you can't see through, would it be allowed if I use these in competition? Are there any specific rules about the blindfolds? I couldn't find anything in the regulations. Tx, Erik

Hi :-) Yes the edges were very good this week. I might have had all edges done in 14/15 turns but chose to postpone some edges in favor of getting some cancellations on corner cycles. Had i had only one more corner done after my start i could have been 6/7 turns shorter. Now that would have been one of my best linear solves ever!! Congrats to everyone with excellent solutions this week :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > The results for challenge #3 are in: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/competitions/linearfmc/ > > 1st place - 33 moves - Ryan Heise > 2nd place - 34 moves - Per Kristen Fredlund > 3rd place - 34 moves - Gilles Roux > 4th place - 36 moves - Guus Razoux Schultz > 5th place - 39 moves - Johannes Laire > > > I'd just like to point out how freaky these results are: Every one of > the people listed above were on the other side of 40 in their previous > challenge, and this week we all got in the 30s, most even in the *low* > 30s, which is very freaky. > > Is there something about this week's scramble that created luck across > so many different methods? I thought the edge situation was very > advantageous, but even people who ignored that did very well this week. > > -- > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Blindfolds are supposed to be provided by the judge "B4a) After memorisation the competitor dons the blindfold (provided by judge)." I guess the rules allow for you to provide your goggles to a judge, for him to accept them and then give them to you for your attempt. -------- Original Message -------- > From: "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:44 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Allowed blindfolds > > Hey, > I have some black goggles which you can't see through, would it be > allowed if I use these in competition? Are there any specific rules > about the blindfolds? I couldn't find anything in the regulations. > Tx, > Erik

hindi ka nag-iisa 'tol! ;) ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryan <benjediman@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 11:24:55 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: What brand and where to buy cube? I dont know... i visited lots of toykingdoms and all they have are crappy imitations probably made in china. also national bookstores. but i did buy a 2x2x2 imitation in nat book thats really good, smooth without lube. but i still want a 3x3x3 =p and btw, so far i think there's no competitions in the philippnes, but i dont know. are there really toys r us here? i havent seen one yet. and im really hoping for a DIY, which is really rare, if ever, an item to sell in toy stores that target only kids (well, in the philippines anyways). but hey, thanks for the infos :) i'll try and check ebay. to all the filipino cubers here in the group, Mabuhay sa inyo!! hehehe!! (nagulat nga ako na may pinoy rin d2 eh =p) thanks for all the help, everybody! --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, craxmile <no_reply@.. .> wrote: > > you can find one @ toykingdom and toys r us here in the philippines. > i got mine when i was in dubai.1 is not yet open. > feels good even without lube. > just use silicone spray available in hardwares. > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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That looks good. A little pixelated though... For suggestions, maybe shrink it, and put it to the top left corner? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Le" <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > [URL=http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubetj4.jpg][IMG] > http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5947/gotcubetj4.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] >

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Neato! i approve of it hehe. -- john lwin Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here ya go corwin. [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? Brian lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: look for a textile print place? buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; Brian lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: Neato! i approve of it hehe. -- john lwin Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here ya go corwin. [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

bay area xD. let me try and convinve my parents to make them... lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? Brian lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: look for a textile print place? buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; Brian lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: Neato! i approve of it hehe. -- john lwin Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here ya go corwin. [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

oh yeah, the image is copyrighted by me. yes john, you get credit for the idea and corwin for editing and stuff. 2007 to whenver i feel like it hehe. lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? Brian lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: look for a textile print place? buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; Brian lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: Neato! i approve of it hehe. -- john lwin Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here ya go corwin. [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

check out the filipino cubing site, www.pinoyspeedcubers.com; for sure you'll get all of your answers --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Neil John Ortega <ketsu_wa_ai_janai@...> wrote: > > hindi ka nag-iisa 'tol! ;) > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bryan <benjediman@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 11:24:55 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: What brand and where to buy cube? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know... i visited lots of toykingdoms and all they have are > > crappy imitations probably made in china. also national bookstores. > > but i did buy a 2x2x2 imitation in nat book thats really good, smooth > > without lube. but i still want a 3x3x3 =p and btw, so far i think > > there's no competitions in the philippnes, but i dont know. are there > > really toys r us here? i havent seen one yet. and im really hoping for > > a DIY, which is really rare, if ever, an item to sell in toy stores > > that target only kids (well, in the philippines anyways). but hey, > > thanks for the infos :) i'll try and check ebay. > > > > to all the filipino cubers here in the group, Mabuhay sa inyo!! > > hehehe!! (nagulat nga ako na may pinoy rin d2 eh =p) > > > > thanks for all the help, everybody! > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, craxmile <no_reply@ .> > > wrote: > > > > > > you can find one @ toykingdom and toys r us here in the philippines. > > > i got mine when i was in dubai.1 is not yet open. > > > feels good even without lube. > > > just use silicone spray available in hardwares. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- align:right;} > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- transform:uppercase;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- size:100%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%;} > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Sorry everyone. This is the first contest that I've missed in almost three years. I've been away from home and computers for almost two weeks and had no way to update the site. I'm planning on updating and putting up the scrambles for next week today. Again, I apologize for missing this one! Jon www.nascarjon.us

I've been using a variation of that alg for years... (R2 U' R2) u R2 y' (L2 U L2 u' L2) Jon http://www.nascarjon.us

karekrig wrote: > A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. He > has saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 > solves. Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, > xx.10, xx.13 and so on. > > Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or mabye > in his computer. The resolution of Java's timer is limited by the resolution of the underlying operating system's timer. In Linux, the resolution is quite good (~1ms), while in Windows 98 it is quite bad (~60ms). What this means is that if a Java program is run on Windows 98 and it makes a call to System.currentTimeMillis(), the time returned will be accurate only to a resolution of about 60ms. So, my guess is that these numbers result from the operating system's timer resolution along with rounding. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hm if you ever get to make them, i'll buy a couple. :] I also live in the SF bay area, so i guess we could meet up? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > bay area xD. let me try and convinve my parents to make them... > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) > > if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > look for a textile print place? > > buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > Neato! i approve of it hehe. > > -- john lwin > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here > ya go corwin. > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

might i recommend using the correct/standard color scheme? Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Hm if you ever get to make them, i'll buy a couple. :] I also live in the SF bay area, so i guess we could meet up? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > bay area xD. let me try and convinve my parents to make them... > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) > > if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > look for a textile print place? > > buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > Neato! i approve of it hehe. > > -- john lwin > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here > ya go corwin. > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Don't worry, that's covered. The best time to make the transaction, if they come out perfect, would be at a competition at the Bay Area. Brian Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: might i recommend using the correct/standard color scheme? Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Hm if you ever get to make them, i'll buy a couple. :] I also live in the SF bay area, so i guess we could meet up? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > bay area xD. let me try and convinve my parents to make them... > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) > > if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > look for a textile print place? > > buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > Neato! i approve of it hehe. > > -- john lwin > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here > ya go corwin. > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ok just wanted to make sure you knew that the BOY colors were in the wrong order, with blue and orange the way it is on there, white would be on top, not yellow Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Don't worry, that's covered. The best time to make the transaction, if they come out perfect, would be at a competition at the Bay Area. Brian Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: might i recommend using the correct/standard color scheme? Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Hm if you ever get to make them, i'll buy a couple. :] I also live in the SF bay area, so i guess we could meet up? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > bay area xD. let me try and convinve my parents to make them... > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) > > if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > look for a textile print place? > > buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > Neato! i approve of it hehe. > > -- john lwin > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here > ya go corwin. > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's red, not orange lol. What do you mean by BOY colors? sorry, im a newb at this >_> Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: ok just wanted to make sure you knew that the BOY colors were in the wrong order, with blue and orange the way it is on there, white would be on top, not yellow Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Don't worry, that's covered. The best time to make the transaction, if they come out perfect, would be at a competition at the Bay Area. Brian Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: might i recommend using the correct/standard color scheme? Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Hm if you ever get to make them, i'll buy a couple. :] I also live in the SF bay area, so i guess we could meet up? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > bay area xD. let me try and convinve my parents to make them... > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) > > if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > look for a textile print place? > > buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > Neato! i approve of it hehe. > > -- john lwin > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here > ya go corwin. > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ah it looked pretty orange on my screen, maybe i need to adjust it. boy = blue,orange,yellow, and on standard cubes its that order going clockwise. Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: That's red, not orange lol. What do you mean by BOY colors? sorry, im a newb at this >_> Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: ok just wanted to make sure you knew that the BOY colors were in the wrong order, with blue and orange the way it is on there, white would be on top, not yellow Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Don't worry, that's covered. The best time to make the transaction, if they come out perfect, would be at a competition at the Bay Area. Brian Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: might i recommend using the correct/standard color scheme? Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Hm if you ever get to make them, i'll buy a couple. :] I also live in the SF bay area, so i guess we could meet up? -Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > bay area xD. let me try and convinve my parents to make them... > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: if it comes out good ill buy 3 :) > > if you live in cali even better. ill pay you cash! > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Should I mass produce them? Or make one for myself? > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > look for a textile print place? > > buy white t-shirts from chinatown in bulk and have them printed. im pretty sure there are places that offer t-shirts printing for an affordable price. > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > Okay. Step one done. Now how do I make it in real life? O_o;; > > Brian > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > Neato! i approve of it hehe. > > -- john lwin > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > sorry im not typing properly. tired from practicing juggling... here > ya go corwin. > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Aren't small logos on a shirt usually on the other side? It just looks weird in it's placement. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Le" > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

yeah they are usually on the left. not sure how much that would cost to print because you have slight color variation of black on the cubies in between the stickers but if you could deal with it just being black there i could print a shirt for you for preview. (but it would have to wait till Thursday because thats the next time i can go to school). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amiejl1981 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Aren't small logos on a shirt usually on the other side? It just > looks weird in it's placement. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Le" > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] >

i was just wondering what you guys do to deal with depression? cos i sense it kicking into my life :\

Well i allways say i do the cube for that and i do but! I most likely when i am depressed i go to my GF Home and we just talk or go to a movie! all that! I love her! ----- Original Message ---- From: lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 2:56:28 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] OFF TOPIC : Depression. i was just wondering what you guys do to deal with depression? cos i sense it kicking into my life :\ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

at least you have a GF man :( good for you. maybe im just lacking emotional support. William Robbins <rubiks43@...> wrote: Well i allways say i do the cube for that and i do but! I most likely when i am depressed i go to my GF Home and we just talk or go to a movie! all that! I love her! ----- Original Message ---- From: lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 2:56:28 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] OFF TOPIC : Depression. i was just wondering what you guys do to deal with depression? cos i sense it kicking into my life :\ __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I talk it out. And cube. Do something enjoying. Btw, I need help with blindcubing, CP cycle (1 6 3). It keeps popping up and its really annoying... lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: at least you have a GF man :( good for you. maybe im just lacking emotional support. William Robbins <rubiks43@...> wrote: Well i allways say i do the cube for that and i do but! I most likely when i am depressed i go to my GF Home and we just talk or go to a movie! all that! I love her! ----- Original Message ---- From: lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 2:56:28 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] OFF TOPIC : Depression. i was just wondering what you guys do to deal with depression? cos i sense it kicking into my life :\ __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For minor depressions: Visit friends/family For mediocre depressions: Take a couple of days of and only do things you really enjoy (preferably outside and with other people) For major depressions: Find out what is causing your depression (work, relation) and change it (other job, serious talk + fix/breakup) All taken from personal experience, not medical training. -------- Original Message -------- > From: Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:25 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] OFF TOPIC : Depression. > > I talk it out. And cube. Do something enjoying. Btw, I need help with blindcubing, CP cycle (1 6 3). It keeps popping up and its really annoying... > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: at least you have a GF man :( good for you. > > maybe im just lacking emotional support. > > William Robbins <rubiks43@...> wrote: > Well i allways say i do the cube for that and i do but! I most likely when i am depressed i go to my GF Home and we just talk or go to a movie! all that! I love her! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 2:56:28 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] OFF TOPIC : Depression. > > i was just wondering what you guys do to deal with depression? > > cos i sense it kicking into my life :\ > > __________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

so should i put it on the right or left side? devin1891 <devin1891@...> wrote: yeah they are usually on the left. not sure how much that would cost to print because you have slight color variation of black on the cubies in between the stickers but if you could deal with it just being black there i could print a shirt for you for preview. (but it would have to wait till Thursday because thats the next time i can go to school). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amiejl1981 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Aren't small logos on a shirt usually on the other side? It just > looks weird in it's placement. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Le" > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

since most ppl are right handed and they use that hand the most, preferably put it on the left so it does not get obstructed when the wearer uses their hand. Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: so should i put it on the right or left side? devin1891 <devin1891@...> wrote: yeah they are usually on the left. not sure how much that would cost to print because you have slight color variation of black on the cubies in between the stickers but if you could deal with it just being black there i could print a shirt for you for preview. (but it would have to wait till Thursday because thats the next time i can go to school). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amiejl1981 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Aren't small logos on a shirt usually on the other side? It just > looks weird in it's placement. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Le" > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) The (UFL,DFR,UBR) surely is a tough one, at least as long as orientation matters. A way that is easy to understand is the following: U - R2 D' R2 D R2 - U2 - R2 D' R2 D R2 - U This is actually nothing but the following conjugated commutator: U' [U2,R2 D' R2 D R2] U (The R2 D' R2 D R2 part can be replaced with R' B' D2 B R) The following will also do: [U2,R' F2 R F2 R], saving 1 turn. Not quite so easy to understand :-o [P,Q]=P Q P' Q' (P then Q then P inverted then Q inverted) Also recall that if P is a sequence m1m2m3....mk then P'=mk' ...m3'm2'm1' ,invert the order of moves and also invert every move. -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > I talk it out. And cube. Do something enjoying. Btw, I need help with blindcubing, CP cycle (1 6 3). It keeps popping up and its really annoying... > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: at least you have a GF man :( good for you. > > maybe im just lacking emotional support. > > William Robbins <rubiks43@...> wrote: > Well i allways say i do the cube for that and i do but! I most likely when i am depressed i go to my GF Home and we just talk or go to a movie! all that! I love her! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 2:56:28 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] OFF TOPIC : Depression. > > i was just wondering what you guys do to deal with depression? > > cos i sense it kicking into my life :\ > > __________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hello everybody ! I’m going to be in Stockholm between July 9th and 18th, visiting a friend of mine (also a cuber…). If any Swedish cuber wants to get together and have a small meeting, I guess we could arrange something. We’ll probably be out on his boat for 2-3 days, but the rest of the time I should be able to get online. And my Swedish is terrible, but I’m working on it, and I need to learn… :) My email: frsechet_|aaahhhtt|_gmail.com François [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) Hire a car and come to Trondheim ;-) It's only a 800 km drive or so on good roads :-P In any case i catch you later in Budapest :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François Sechet <frsechet@...> wrote: > > Hello everybody ! > > I'm going to be in Stockholm between July 9th and 18th, visiting a friend of > mine (also a cuber…). If any Swedish cuber wants to get together and have a > small meeting, I guess we could arrange something. We'll probably be out on > his boat for 2-3 days, but the rest of the time I should be able to get > online. > > And my Swedish is terrible, but I'm working on it, and I need to learn… :) > > My email: frsechet_|aaahhhtt|_gmail.com > > François > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I live in Stockholm and I'm willing to meet up with you one of the day you are here. My brother also lives here but he is usaly in the south of Sweden on during this time of the year so he's probably not around but I'm not sure. Maybe Anders Larsson can join us if he has the time, I ask him when I get the chance. Best thing I think is that you send me an e-mail when you know the date of a free day you can use for a cube meeting. Easiest way to find a place to send the mail is probably using the link in the column to the right =) // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François Sechet <frsechet@...> wrote: > > Hello everybody ! > > I'm going to be in Stockholm between July 9th and 18th, visiting a friend of > mine (also a cuber…). If any Swedish cuber wants to get together and have a > small meeting, I guess we could arrange something. We'll probably be out on > his boat for 2-3 days, but the rest of the time I should be able to get > online. > > And my Swedish is terrible, but I'm working on it, and I need to learn… :) > > My email: frsechet_|aaahhhtt|_gmail.com > > François > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Try the setup move D' R2 D R2. -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > The (UFL,DFR,UBR) surely is a tough one, at least as long as > orientation matters. > > A way that is easy to understand is the following: > > U - R2 D' R2 D R2 - U2 - R2 D' R2 D R2 - U > > This is actually nothing but the following conjugated commutator: > > U' [U2,R2 D' R2 D R2] U > > (The R2 D' R2 D R2 part can be replaced with R' B' D2 B R) > > The following will also do: > > [U2,R' F2 R F2 R], saving 1 turn. Not quite so easy to understand :- o > [P,Q]=P Q P' Q' (P then Q then P inverted then Q inverted) > Also recall that if P is a sequence m1m2m3....mk then > P'=mk' ...m3'm2'm1' ,invert the order of moves and also invert every > move. > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le > <khoale1234567@> wrote: > > > > I talk it out. And cube. Do something enjoying. Btw, I need help > with blindcubing, CP cycle (1 6 3). It keeps popping up and its > really annoying... > > > > lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@> wrote: at least you have a > GF man :( good for you. > > > > maybe im just lacking emotional support. > > > > William Robbins <rubiks43@> wrote: > > Well i allways say i do the cube for that and i do but! I most > likely when i am depressed i go to my GF Home and we just talk or go > to a movie! all that! I love her! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 2:56:28 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] OFF TOPIC : Depression. > > > > i was just wondering what you guys do to deal with depression? > > > > cos i sense it kicking into my life :\ > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > that gives answers, not web links. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------------- > > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see > what's on, when. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Help! I'm looking for a page I saw somewhere on the web and I can't remember where. On this page there was an explanation with pictures of a modification of a cube for speedcubing. The centers of the not DIY cube were filled in with some putty to be modeled to host good screws and springs. But the thing I want to know is what material that guy used and how he modeled it. Can anyone help? Thank you!

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i hae a diy a from cube4you.com and i lubed it cubelube.com stuff for about 2 weeks then i lubed it with a pure silicon spray called kel about 3 days ago. today i noticed that on the sides of the center peices there were thest indentations on them that werent there before i lubed it. http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t251/seagullguy/DSC00767.jpg http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t251/seagullguy/DSC00768.jpg these are actual dents in the plastic not just markings. can anyone tell me if this is normal or if the lubrication messed it up?

Hi Mike, Sorry for the delay in my response... I am travelling in Australia for a month. I'll be in Boulder mid-July, but I think some of the other guys are getting there mid-August. Maybe all of the local cubers can get together sometime in late August or September. Send me an email at: danknights "at" gmail, if you want to set something up. Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" <skeneegee@...> wrote: > > I live right between Denver and Boulder, in Arvada. > > -mike grimsley > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cubin4speed > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I'm moving to Boulder, CO this summer to pursue a graduate degree at > > CU Boulder. Are there any speedcubers in the Denver/Boulder area? If > > so, I'd love to get together. > > > > Dan > > > > http://www.thepublicvoid.com > > >

The same type of problem occurs while doing the "type A-Z as fast as you can" thing. For win98 (or any DOS based OS) the keyboard poll rate is about 17 chars per second (60 ms) = ca 1.6 seconds is the best time you can get. // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > karekrig wrote: > > > A Swedish cuber posted a strange problem on our national forum. He > > has saved all solves he has done with JNetCube. A total of 1668 > > solves. Not a single one of those solves are xx.01, xx.04, xx.07, > > xx.10, xx.13 and so on. > > > > Anyone knows if the bug is in the timer, in a Java-library or mabye > > in his computer. > > The resolution of Java's timer is limited by the resolution of the > underlying operating system's timer. In Linux, the resolution is quite > good (~1ms), while in Windows 98 it is quite bad (~60ms). What this > means is that if a Java program is run on Windows 98 and it makes a > call to System.currentTimeMillis(), the time returned will be accurate > only to a resolution of about 60ms. So, my guess is that these numbers > result from the operating system's timer resolution along with rounding. > > -- > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

On 7/7/07, mr_seagull_1 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > i hae a diy a from cube4you.com and i lubed it cubelube.com stuff for > about 2 weeks then i lubed it with a pure silicon spray called kel > about 3 days ago. today i noticed that on the sides of the center > peices there were thest indentations on them that werent there before i > lubed it. > http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t251/seagullguy/DSC00767.jpg > http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t251/seagullguy/DSC00768.jpg > these are actual dents in the plastic not just markings. > can anyone tell me if this is normal or if the lubrication messed it up? That's pretty normal. I think that the entire side of the center piece is slightly concave. The indentation that you see is the part that doesn't contact other pieces while turning. After a lot of use, the area around the center of the surface starts to wear flat, but the middle part doesn't get any wear, so it doesn't change.

Go check them out on the "Live Results" from Wroclaw Open. 16.xx single and 22.xx average.

If you make it before the end of August I'd come up. I'm just south-east of Denver. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cubin4speed <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Sorry for the delay in my response... I am travelling in Australia > for a month. > > I'll be in Boulder mid-July, but I think some of the other guys are > getting there mid-August. Maybe all of the local cubers can get > together sometime in late August or September. > > Send me an email at: danknights "at" gmail, if you want to set > something up. > > Dan

Hi group. Here I present my 3-step ELL for direct solving the 4x4x4. This step is best preceeded by the use of CLL but COLL is also useful (or even ZB). The first two ELL stages solves only two pieces at the time (**See note at bottom of post), but in step three the last four edges are solved and not only that, parity is also fixed then. This list is compleate and all algs are pretty short, (many are probably optimal but there are no tools to test such things around =) -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- ELL 1: Format for case description: B-side ..8..7.. 5.....6 4.....3 ..1..2.. F-side case number: (nr of moves) (cube orientations) alg The numbering in the case descrition tells which two edges that are being solved, nr 1 and 2. These edges initially are palced at positions 1-8. Even edges (really only nr 2) are oriented at even places and the other way around at odd places. Same thing goes for the odd edge (nr 1). The cases: ..8..7.. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 1-1 + 2-2 : (0) Solved 1-1 + 3-2 : (8) (y' x') r U' R U r' U' R' U 1-1 + 4-2 : (8) (y' x') U' R U r U' R' U r' 1-1 + 5-2 : (8) (y x') r U L' U' r' U L U' 1-1 + 6-2 : (8) (y x') U L' U' r U L U' r' 1-1 + 7-2 : (8) (y2 x') l' U L' U' l U L U' 1-1 + 8-2 : (9) (x') U2 l2 U L U' l2 U L' U (49 moves / seven cases = 7.0 average) ----------- ..8..7.. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 2-1 + 1-2 : (12) (x') M' U' R U M U2 M2 U R' U' M2 U2 2-1 + 3-2 : (10) r' M D2 l' U l D2 l' U' r2 2-1 + 4-2 : (10) l2 U' r' D2 r U r' D2 l' M' 2-1 + 5-2 : (10) r' M D2 l' U' l D2 l' U r2 2-1 + 6-2 : (10) l2 U r D2 r' U' r' D2 l' M' 2-1 + 7-2 : (10) r U2 l D2 l' U2 l D2 l' r' 2-1 + 8-2 : (10) r' l' D2 r U2 r' D2 r U2 l (72 = 10.30) ----------- ..8..7.. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 3-1 + 1-2 : (10) r2 U l D2 l' U' l D2 r M' 3-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y x') U L' U' l' U L U' l 3-1 + 4-2 : (14) U2 r U' r' U' r' U r2 U r' U' r' U' r 3-1 + 5-2 : (10) (y x') r U L' U' r' l' U L U' l 3-1 + 6-2 : (8) (y' x') M' U' R U M U' R' U 3-1 + 7-2 : (10) (x') l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' 3-1 + 8-2 : (9) (y) Ra' u2 R U' R' u2 R U L (69 = 9.86) ----------- ..8..7.. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 4-1 + 1-2 : (10) M l D2 r U' r' D2 r U l2 4-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y x') l' U L' U' l U L U' 4-1 + 3-2 : (11) (y x') U2 l2 U' L' U M2 U' L U r2 U2 4-1 + 5-2 : (8) (y x') M' U L' U' M U L U' 4-1 + 6-2 : (10) (y x') l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' 4-1 + 7-2 : (10) (y2 x') l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' 4-1 + 8-2 : (11) (x') U2 l2 U' L' U M2 U' L U r2 U2 (68 = 9.71) ----------- ..8..7.. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 5-1 + 1-2 : (10) r2 U' l D2 l' U l D2 r M' 5-1 + 2-2 : (8) (x') l' U L' U' l U L U' 5-1 + 3-2 : (10) (y' x') r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l 5-1 + 4-2 : (8) (y x') M' U L' U' M U L U' 5-1 + 6-2 : (14) (y2) l' U l U l U' l2 U' l U l U l' U2 5-1 + 7-2 : (10) (x') l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' 5-1 + 8-2 : (14) (y' x') L' U' r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l U L (74 = 10.57) ----------- ..8..7.. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 6-1 + 1-2 : (10) l M D2 r U r' D2 r U' l2 6-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y' x') l' U' R U l U' R' U 6-1 + 3-2 : (8) (y' x') M' U' R U M U' R' U 6-1 + 4-2 : (10) (y' x') l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' 6-1 + 5-2 : (11) (y' x') U2 r2 U R U' M2 U R' U' l2 U2 6-1 + 7-2 : (10) (y2 x') l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' 6-1 + 8-2 : (11) (x) U2 l2 U' R' U M2 U' R U r2 U2 (68 = 9.71) ----------- ..8..7.. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 7-1 + 1-2 : (10) r l D2 l' U2 l D2 l' U2 r' 7-1 + 2-2 : (9) (x') U2 r2 U' R' U r2 U' R U' 7-1 + 3-2 : (11) (x) U2 r2 U' R' U M2 U' R U l2 U2 7-1 + 4-2 : (14) (y' x') L' U' l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' U L 7-1 + 5-2 : (11) (x) U2 r2 U L U' M2 U L' U' l2 U2 7-1 + 6-2 : (14) (y x') R U l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' U' R' 7-1 + 8-2 : (6) r2 U2 r2 Uu2 r2 u2 (74 = 10.57) ----------- ..8..7.. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 8-1 + 1-2 : (10) l' U2 r' D2 r U2 r' D2 r l 8-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y2 x') r U' R U r' U' R' U 8-1 + 3-2 : (10) (y2 x') r U L' U' r' l' U L U' l 8-1 + 4-2 : (10) (x') r U L' U' r' l' U L U' l 8-1 + 5-2 : (10) (y2 x') r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l 8-1 + 6-2 : (10) (x') r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l 8-1 + 7-2 : (8) (y2 x') M' U' R U M U' R' U (68 = 9.71) ----------- Total moves / cases ratio: 524 / 56 = 9.68 -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- ELL 2: Cases here are the same as for ELL 1 but after a y2 cube orientation minus all cases that has got an 7 or an 8 in the number. .Solved. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 1-1 + 2-2 : (0) Solved 1-1 + 3-2 : (8) (y' x') r U' R U r' U' R' U 1-1 + 4-2 : (8) (y' x') U' R U r U' R' U r' 1-1 + 5-2 : (8) (y x') r U L' U' r' U L U' 1-1 + 6-2 : (8) (y x') U L' U' r U L U' r' (32 = 6.4) ----------- .Solved. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 2-1 + 1-2 : (12) (x') M' U' R U M U2 M2 U R' U' M2 U2 2-1 + 3-2 : (10) r' M D2 l' U l D2 l' U' r2 2-1 + 4-2 : (10) l2 U' r' D2 r U r' D2 l' M' 2-1 + 5-2 : (10) r' M D2 l' U' l D2 l' U r2 2-1 + 6-2 : (10) l2 U r D2 r' U' r' D2 l' M' (52 = 10.4) ----------- .Solved. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 3-1 + 1-2 : (10) r2 U l D2 l' U' l D2 r M' 3-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y x') U L' U' l' U L U' l 3-1 + 4-2 : (14) U2 r U' r' U' r' U r2 U r' U' r' U' r 3-1 + 5-2 : (10) (y x') r U L' U' r' l' U L U' l 3-1 + 6-2 : (8) (y' x') M' U' R U M U' R' U (50 = 10.0) ----------- .Solved. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 4-1 + 1-2 : (10) M l D2 r U' r' D2 r U l2 4-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y x') l' U L' U' l U L U' 4-1 + 3-2 : (11) (y x') U2 l2 U' L' U M2 U' L U r2 U2 4-1 + 5-2 : (8) (y x') M' U L' U' M U L U' 4-1 + 6-2 : (10) (y x') l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' (47 = 9.4) ----------- .Solved. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 5-1 + 1-2 : (10) r2 U' l D2 l' U l D2 r M' 5-1 + 2-2 : (8) (x') l' U L' U' l U L U' 5-1 + 3-2 : (10) (y' x') r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l 5-1 + 4-2 : (8) (y x') M' U L' U' M U L U' 5-1 + 6-2 : (14) (y2) l' U l U l U' l2 U' l U l U l' U2 (50 = 10.0) ----------- .Solved. 5......6 4......3 ..1..2.. 6-1 + 1-2 : (10) l M D2 r U r' D2 r U' l2 6-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y' x') l' U' R U l U' R' U 6-1 + 3-2 : (8) (y' x') M' U' R U M U' R' U 6-1 + 4-2 : (10) (y' x') l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' 6-1 + 5-2 : (11) (y' x') U2 r2 U R U' M2 U R' U' l2 U2 (47 = 9.4) ----------- Total moves / cases ratio: 278 / 30 = 9.27 -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- ELL 3: Here the cases has got a little diffrent description: The solved case: 43 12 12 = UF-dedge, 43 = UB-dedge. Even edges are oriented at even places and so on... (1:24) Number of these cases in the whole group. "alg" (number of turns) ----- PLL-parity: 21 34 (1:24) r2 U2 r2 (U2+u2) r2 u2 (6) ----- Orientation only: 34 21 (1:24) M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2 (12) ----- Orientation + PLL-parity: 12 43 (1:24) x' U (l+r'+R') U x' (PLL-parity) x U' (l'+r+R) U' x (12) Looks weird but it is three set up turns + cube orientations at first, then the PLL-parity + undo set up. (l+r'+R') is a three layer turn =) ----- OLL-paritet: 43 21 (2:24) F2 l2 F2 U2 l' U2 l U2 l2 F2 r' F2 r U2 l' (15) ----- O + P (both paritys): 34 12 (2:24) r U2 r' E2 F2 l' F2 l F2 r F2 r' D2 l' (14) ----- These are four cases of three cycles solved using a commutator. The same alg is also used in step ELL 1, for example case "7-1 + 1-2". 41 23 (2:24) r l D2 l' U2 l D2 l' U2 r' (10) 23 41 (2:24) l' r' D2 r U2 r' D2 r U2 l (10) 42 31 (2:24) r U2 l D2 l' U2 l D2 l' r' (10) 13 24 (2:24) l' U2 r' D2 r U2 r' D2 r l (10) ----- Orient mixed: 14 23 (1:24) r' U2 r2 U2 r U2 r' U2 r U2 r2 U2 r' (13) Mirror: 32 41 (1:24) l U2 l2 U2 l' U2 l U2 l' U2 l2 U2 l (13) ----- Swap two diagonaly: 41 32 (1:24) r S2 U2 r' U2 r U2 l' U2 l F2 r' B2 l' (14) Mirror: 23 14 (1:24) l' S2 U2 l U2 l' U2 r U2 r' F2 l B2 r (14) ---- Swap two opposite: 42 13 (2:24) r2 D2 r' D2 l D2 l' D2 B2 l' B2 r' (12) ----- Same as above + PLL-parity: 31 24 (2:24) F2 l2 F2 l F2 l' F2 r U2 l U2 r' U2 l U2 l' (16) ----- Total moves / cases ratio: 278 / 24 = 11,58 -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- ELL-1: 524 / 56 = 9.68 ELL-2: 278 / 30 = 9.27 ELL-3: 278 / 24 = 11,58 All three ELL steps: 30,53 Whole LL: CLL = 9,18 ELL = 30,53 [U] = 0.75 Total: 40,46 -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Now, is this hard to learn? It is rather many cases but there are not many algs used because of the many symmetries and the fact that the algs in ELL 1-2 affects more than two peices and can be used for more than one case. If you alredy know CLL then it is not much work to learn this. Ok, why then? Number of moves my friends, I usaly hit 85-90 turns solving F3L compleatly intuitive, sometimes a bit less but seldomly much more. Add to that my LL and you get some 125-130 moves totaly and that is about 25 less than if you solve your 4x using centres-edges-3x3x3. I belive this is not harder to do, just shorter. How many seconds does 25 4x4x4 turns takes for you? To use this for a 5x5x5 you only need to add an extra ELL step to solve the mid edges, easiest is to do that step as the first ELL step and use 3x3x3 ELL alg. // Kenneth BTW: if you spot any errors in the text above... I'm sure you will let me know ;-) -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- ** Note: Because of number of cases, if I solve three at the time there are 8*7*6 cases (8!/5!) in ELL 1, now it's 8*7=56, ELL 2 has got 5*6=30, if three edges was solved then it would become 6*5*4=120.

Hi Kenneth :-) Have you memorised all of this yet? If so, very well done-it will do miracles for your 4x4x4 fewest moves ;-) Do you have something similar coming for 5x5x5 ELL? Would central edges first be the best extension? -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > Hi group. > > Here I present my 3-step ELL for direct solving the 4x4x4. This step > is best preceeded by the use of CLL but COLL is also useful (or even > ZB). > > The first two ELL stages solves only two pieces at the time (**See > note at bottom of post), but in step three the last four edges are > solved and not only that, parity is also fixed then. > > This list is compleate and all algs are pretty short, (many are > probably optimal but there are no tools to test such things around =) > > -------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------- > > ELL 1: > > Format for case description: > > B-side > > ..8..7.. > 5.....6 > 4.....3 > ..1..2.. > > F-side > > case number: (nr of moves) (cube orientations) alg > > The numbering in the case descrition tells which two edges that are > being solved, nr 1 and 2. These edges initially are palced at > positions 1-8. Even edges (really only nr 2) are oriented at even > places and the other way around at odd places. Same thing goes for > the odd edge (nr 1). > > The cases: > > ..8..7.. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 1-1 + 2-2 : (0) Solved > 1-1 + 3-2 : (8) (y' x') r U' R U r' U' R' U > 1-1 + 4-2 : (8) (y' x') U' R U r U' R' U r' > 1-1 + 5-2 : (8) (y x') r U L' U' r' U L U' > 1-1 + 6-2 : (8) (y x') U L' U' r U L U' r' > 1-1 + 7-2 : (8) (y2 x') l' U L' U' l U L U' > 1-1 + 8-2 : (9) (x') U2 l2 U L U' l2 U L' U > > (49 moves / seven cases = 7.0 average) > ----------- > > ..8..7.. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 2-1 + 1-2 : (12) (x') M' U' R U M U2 M2 U R' U' M2 U2 > 2-1 + 3-2 : (10) r' M D2 l' U l D2 l' U' r2 > 2-1 + 4-2 : (10) l2 U' r' D2 r U r' D2 l' M' > 2-1 + 5-2 : (10) r' M D2 l' U' l D2 l' U r2 > 2-1 + 6-2 : (10) l2 U r D2 r' U' r' D2 l' M' > 2-1 + 7-2 : (10) r U2 l D2 l' U2 l D2 l' r' > 2-1 + 8-2 : (10) r' l' D2 r U2 r' D2 r U2 l > > (72 = 10.30) > ----------- > > ..8..7.. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 3-1 + 1-2 : (10) r2 U l D2 l' U' l D2 r M' > 3-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y x') U L' U' l' U L U' l > 3-1 + 4-2 : (14) U2 r U' r' U' r' U r2 U r' U' r' U' r > 3-1 + 5-2 : (10) (y x') r U L' U' r' l' U L U' l > 3-1 + 6-2 : (8) (y' x') M' U' R U M U' R' U > 3-1 + 7-2 : (10) (x') l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' > 3-1 + 8-2 : (9) (y) Ra' u2 R U' R' u2 R U L > > (69 = 9.86) > ----------- > > ..8..7.. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 4-1 + 1-2 : (10) M l D2 r U' r' D2 r U l2 > 4-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y x') l' U L' U' l U L U' > 4-1 + 3-2 : (11) (y x') U2 l2 U' L' U M2 U' L U r2 U2 > 4-1 + 5-2 : (8) (y x') M' U L' U' M U L U' > 4-1 + 6-2 : (10) (y x') l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' > 4-1 + 7-2 : (10) (y2 x') l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' > 4-1 + 8-2 : (11) (x') U2 l2 U' L' U M2 U' L U r2 U2 > > (68 = 9.71) > ----------- > > ..8..7.. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 5-1 + 1-2 : (10) r2 U' l D2 l' U l D2 r M' > 5-1 + 2-2 : (8) (x') l' U L' U' l U L U' > 5-1 + 3-2 : (10) (y' x') r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l > 5-1 + 4-2 : (8) (y x') M' U L' U' M U L U' > 5-1 + 6-2 : (14) (y2) l' U l U l U' l2 U' l U l U l' U2 > 5-1 + 7-2 : (10) (x') l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' > 5-1 + 8-2 : (14) (y' x') L' U' r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l U L > > (74 = 10.57) > ----------- > > ..8..7.. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 6-1 + 1-2 : (10) l M D2 r U r' D2 r U' l2 > 6-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y' x') l' U' R U l U' R' U > 6-1 + 3-2 : (8) (y' x') M' U' R U M U' R' U > 6-1 + 4-2 : (10) (y' x') l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' > 6-1 + 5-2 : (11) (y' x') U2 r2 U R U' M2 U R' U' l2 U2 > 6-1 + 7-2 : (10) (y2 x') l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' > 6-1 + 8-2 : (11) (x) U2 l2 U' R' U M2 U' R U r2 U2 > > (68 = 9.71) > ----------- > > ..8..7.. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 7-1 + 1-2 : (10) r l D2 l' U2 l D2 l' U2 r' > 7-1 + 2-2 : (9) (x') U2 r2 U' R' U r2 U' R U' > 7-1 + 3-2 : (11) (x) U2 r2 U' R' U M2 U' R U l2 U2 > 7-1 + 4-2 : (14) (y' x') L' U' l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' U L > 7-1 + 5-2 : (11) (x) U2 r2 U L U' M2 U L' U' l2 U2 > 7-1 + 6-2 : (14) (y x') R U l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' U' R' > 7-1 + 8-2 : (6) r2 U2 r2 Uu2 r2 u2 > > (74 = 10.57) > ----------- > > ..8..7.. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 8-1 + 1-2 : (10) l' U2 r' D2 r U2 r' D2 r l > 8-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y2 x') r U' R U r' U' R' U > 8-1 + 3-2 : (10) (y2 x') r U L' U' r' l' U L U' l > 8-1 + 4-2 : (10) (x') r U L' U' r' l' U L U' l > 8-1 + 5-2 : (10) (y2 x') r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l > 8-1 + 6-2 : (10) (x') r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l > 8-1 + 7-2 : (8) (y2 x') M' U' R U M U' R' U > > (68 = 9.71) > ----------- > > Total moves / cases ratio: 524 / 56 = 9.68 > > -------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------- > > ELL 2: > > Cases here are the same as for ELL 1 but after a y2 cube orientation > minus all cases that has got an 7 or an 8 in the number. > > .Solved. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 1-1 + 2-2 : (0) Solved > 1-1 + 3-2 : (8) (y' x') r U' R U r' U' R' U > 1-1 + 4-2 : (8) (y' x') U' R U r U' R' U r' > 1-1 + 5-2 : (8) (y x') r U L' U' r' U L U' > 1-1 + 6-2 : (8) (y x') U L' U' r U L U' r' > > (32 = 6.4) > ----------- > > .Solved. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 2-1 + 1-2 : (12) (x') M' U' R U M U2 M2 U R' U' M2 U2 > 2-1 + 3-2 : (10) r' M D2 l' U l D2 l' U' r2 > 2-1 + 4-2 : (10) l2 U' r' D2 r U r' D2 l' M' > 2-1 + 5-2 : (10) r' M D2 l' U' l D2 l' U r2 > 2-1 + 6-2 : (10) l2 U r D2 r' U' r' D2 l' M' > > (52 = 10.4) > ----------- > > .Solved. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 3-1 + 1-2 : (10) r2 U l D2 l' U' l D2 r M' > 3-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y x') U L' U' l' U L U' l > 3-1 + 4-2 : (14) U2 r U' r' U' r' U r2 U r' U' r' U' r > 3-1 + 5-2 : (10) (y x') r U L' U' r' l' U L U' l > 3-1 + 6-2 : (8) (y' x') M' U' R U M U' R' U > > (50 = 10.0) > ----------- > > .Solved. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 4-1 + 1-2 : (10) M l D2 r U' r' D2 r U l2 > 4-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y x') l' U L' U' l U L U' > 4-1 + 3-2 : (11) (y x') U2 l2 U' L' U M2 U' L U r2 U2 > 4-1 + 5-2 : (8) (y x') M' U L' U' M U L U' > 4-1 + 6-2 : (10) (y x') l' U L' U' l r U L U' r' > > (47 = 9.4) > ----------- > > .Solved. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 5-1 + 1-2 : (10) r2 U' l D2 l' U l D2 r M' > 5-1 + 2-2 : (8) (x') l' U L' U' l U L U' > 5-1 + 3-2 : (10) (y' x') r U' R U r' l' U' R' U l > 5-1 + 4-2 : (8) (y x') M' U L' U' M U L U' > 5-1 + 6-2 : (14) (y2) l' U l U l U' l2 U' l U l U l' U2 > > (50 = 10.0) > ----------- > > .Solved. > 5......6 > 4......3 > ..1..2.. > > 6-1 + 1-2 : (10) l M D2 r U r' D2 r U' l2 > 6-1 + 2-2 : (8) (y' x') l' U' R U l U' R' U > 6-1 + 3-2 : (8) (y' x') M' U' R U M U' R' U > 6-1 + 4-2 : (10) (y' x') l' U' R U l r U' R' U r' > 6-1 + 5-2 : (11) (y' x') U2 r2 U R U' M2 U R' U' l2 U2 > > (47 = 9.4) > ----------- > > Total moves / cases ratio: 278 / 30 = 9.27 > > -------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------- > > ELL 3: > > Here the cases has got a little diffrent description: > > The solved case: > > 43 > 12 > > 12 = UF-dedge, 43 = UB-dedge. > Even edges are oriented at even places and so on... > > (1:24) Number of these cases in the whole group. > > "alg" (number of turns) > > ----- > PLL-parity: > > 21 > 34 > > (1:24) > > r2 U2 r2 (U2+u2) r2 u2 (6) > > ----- > Orientation only: > > 34 > 21 > > (1:24) > > M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2 (12) > > ----- > Orientation + PLL-parity: > > 12 > 43 > > (1:24) > > x' U (l+r'+R') U x' (PLL-parity) x U' (l'+r+R) U' x (12) > > Looks weird but it is three set up turns + cube orientations at > first, then the PLL-parity + undo set up. (l+r'+R') is a three layer > turn =) > ----- > > OLL-paritet: > > 43 > 21 > > (2:24) > > F2 l2 F2 U2 l' U2 l U2 l2 F2 r' F2 r U2 l' (15) > > ----- > O + P (both paritys): > > 34 > 12 > > (2:24) > > r U2 r' E2 F2 l' F2 l F2 r F2 r' D2 l' (14) > > ----- > These are four cases of three cycles solved using a commutator. The > same alg is also used in step ELL 1, for example case "7-1 + 1-2". > > 41 > 23 > > (2:24) > > r l D2 l' U2 l D2 l' U2 r' (10) > > 23 > 41 > > (2:24) > > l' r' D2 r U2 r' D2 r U2 l (10) > > 42 > 31 > > (2:24) > > r U2 l D2 l' U2 l D2 l' r' (10) > > 13 > 24 > > (2:24) > > l' U2 r' D2 r U2 r' D2 r l (10) > > ----- > Orient mixed: > > 14 > 23 > > (1:24) > > r' U2 r2 U2 r U2 r' U2 r U2 r2 U2 r' (13) > > Mirror: > > 32 > 41 > > (1:24) > > l U2 l2 U2 l' U2 l U2 l' U2 l2 U2 l (13) > > ----- > Swap two diagonaly: > > 41 > 32 > > (1:24) > > r S2 U2 r' U2 r U2 l' U2 l F2 r' B2 l' (14) > > Mirror: > > 23 > 14 > > (1:24) > > l' S2 U2 l U2 l' U2 r U2 r' F2 l B2 r (14) > > ---- > Swap two opposite: > > 42 > 13 > > (2:24) > > > r2 D2 r' D2 l D2 l' D2 B2 l' B2 r' (12) > > ----- > Same as above + PLL-parity: > > 31 > 24 > > (2:24) > > F2 l2 F2 l F2 l' F2 r U2 l U2 r' U2 l U2 l' (16) > > ----- > > Total moves / cases ratio: 278 / 24 = 11,58 > > -------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------- > > ELL-1: 524 / 56 = 9.68 > ELL-2: 278 / 30 = 9.27 > ELL-3: 278 / 24 = 11,58 > > All three ELL steps: 30,53 > > Whole LL: > > CLL = 9,18 > ELL = 30,53 > [U] = 0.75 > > Total: 40,46 > > -------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------- > > Now, is this hard to learn? > > It is rather many cases but there are not many algs used because of > the many symmetries and the fact that the algs in ELL 1-2 affects > more than two peices and can be used for more than one case. > > If you alredy know CLL then it is not much work to learn this. > > Ok, why then? > > Number of moves my friends, I usaly hit 85-90 turns solving F3L > compleatly intuitive, sometimes a bit less but seldomly much more. > Add to that my LL and you get some 125-130 moves totaly and that is > about 25 less than if you solve your 4x using centres-edges-3x3x3. I > belive this is not harder to do, just shorter. > > How many seconds does 25 4x4x4 turns takes for you? > > To use this for a 5x5x5 you only need to add an extra ELL step to > solve the mid edges, easiest is to do that step as the first ELL step > and use 3x3x3 ELL alg. > > // Kenneth > > BTW: if you spot any errors in the text above... I'm sure you will > let me know ;-) > > -------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------- > > ** Note: Because of number of cases, if I solve three at the time > there are 8*7*6 cases (8!/5!) in ELL 1, now it's 8*7=56, ELL 2 has > got 5*6=30, if three edges was solved then it would become 6*5*4=120. >

Hi :-) Not sure if this one is new or even useful, but it's cute nevertheless: R' U2 L' D2 L U2 R - U R' U L' D2 L U' R U' 2 distinctive parts ... -Per

Based on my findings for the posted 2-twist i also found the following E-perm: (R' U L' u2 R U' L)*2 I think it can be decently fast ;-) Also found the following: (R' U2 L' u2 R U2 L)*2 Both of these are 13 stm :D -Per

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi Kenneth :-) > > Have you memorised all of this yet? If so, very well done-it will do > miracles for your 4x4x4 fewest moves ;-) I have been working on my 4x4x4 LL for about a year now and all the time I had CLL + this ELL 1 first so I had a long time to learn the cases for ELL 1 and 2. And as I said, there are not many algs used and I know exactly how they work so It's almost intuitive by now. I'm actually using more algs than these to work on ELL 1+2 at the same time if there are good cases = both dedges paired = use 3x3x3 ELL algs. Or one of the edges at the B-side and one at the F-side is alredy solved, then I got algs for most of the cases. If one side is solved and the rest is oriented I got algs for all cases (3-dedege PLL's, it was my previous approach but some algs was too long so I changed to this). I can also work on ELL 1 while solving the corners by swtiching from CLL to COLL, XCLL (orient edges while doing CLL) or even ZB (if i know the alg =) > Do you have something > similar coming for 5x5x5 ELL? Would central edges first be the best > extension? Can't get to a full four step for 5x5x5 because of to many cases. One possible approach is to use normal 3x3x3 OLL + PLL as the first two steps aming at corners and mid edges and then use my 3-ELL for the dedges. But best is to use paralell cycles (example doing m'+r instead of single r-slice turns if a mid edge is paird with a corner edge) and hope to get a four step in the end. That has got the backside effect of getting two unorientd mid edges left to do in ELL 3 in 50% of the cases and that's not good. To avoid that when it is about to happen I usally add the 3x3x3 ELL as the second or third ELL-step but using only the mid slice instead of three layers to solve the three cycle (normally I have got one side fully compleated at this point so there is only a three cycle left to do for mid edges). If I get all mids pemuted but two unoriented initially, then I unsolve those parallell to the ELL 1 cycle and then try, if possible to get them back oriented parallell to the next cycle to do. If that's not possible, then I go 3x3x3 cycle for those. I did a 10(12) average for the 5x5x5 LL using that method yesterday and got 46.5 turns and I think that's pretty normal. // Kenneth

Hi :-) Have you tried using algos like: R' D R (ed) R' D' R (e'd') on 5x5x5 ??? Block 3-cycle, sorta in- between pure 5x5x5 alg and 3x3x3 alg ;-) (e is the layer between d and u, corresponding to E on 3x3x3) Obviously you'd need to turn last layer onto F by turning the cube physically. -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi Kenneth :-) > > > > Have you memorised all of this yet? If so, very well done-it will > do > > miracles for your 4x4x4 fewest moves ;-) > > I have been working on my 4x4x4 LL for about a year now and all the > time I had CLL + this ELL 1 first so I had a long time to learn the > cases for ELL 1 and 2. And as I said, there are not many algs used > and I know exactly how they work so It's almost intuitive by now. > > I'm actually using more algs than these to work on ELL 1+2 at the > same time if there are good cases = both dedges paired = use 3x3x3 > ELL algs. Or one of the edges at the B-side and one at the F-side is > alredy solved, then I got algs for most of the cases. If one side is > solved and the rest is oriented I got algs for all cases (3-dedege > PLL's, it was my previous approach but some algs was too long so I > changed to this). I can also work on ELL 1 while solving the corners > by swtiching from CLL to COLL, XCLL (orient edges while doing CLL) or > even ZB (if i know the alg =) > > > Do you have something > > similar coming for 5x5x5 ELL? Would central edges first be the best > > extension? > > Can't get to a full four step for 5x5x5 because of to many cases. One > possible approach is to use normal 3x3x3 OLL + PLL as the first two > steps aming at corners and mid edges and then use my 3-ELL for the > dedges. > > But best is to use paralell cycles (example doing m'+r instead of > single r-slice turns if a mid edge is paird with a corner edge) and > hope to get a four step in the end. That has got the backside effect > of getting two unorientd mid edges left to do in ELL 3 in 50% of the > cases and that's not good. To avoid that when it is about to happen I > usally add the 3x3x3 ELL as the second or third ELL-step but using > only the mid slice instead of three layers to solve the three cycle > (normally I have got one side fully compleated at this point so there > is only a three cycle left to do for mid edges). If I get all mids > pemuted but two unoriented initially, then I unsolve those parallell > to the ELL 1 cycle and then try, if possible to get them back > oriented parallell to the next cycle to do. If that's not possible, > then I go 3x3x3 cycle for those. > > I did a 10(12) average for the 5x5x5 LL using that method yesterday > and got 46.5 turns and I think that's pretty normal. > > // Kenneth >

This is, I'm sure, a very popular topic. I'm very interested in finding more information concerning various Corners First methods; I've heard of the Waterman method, and looked at it, but am confused. It also seems impossible to learn it incrementally. Any thoughts?

Hey Per sorry but you're kinda "late"...haha... Gungz posted this alg (with a cube rotation before) on his blog at 4th April http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/837 : ) good find, though Pedro Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> escreveu: Based on my findings for the posted 2-twist i also found the following E-perm: (R' U L' u2 R U' L)*2 I think it can be decently fast ;-) Also found the following: (R' U2 L' u2 R U2 L)*2 Both of these are 13 stm :D -Per --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Per, what makes it funny or cute? Are you hugging your cube? ;) I am curious why, despite the sarcasm. On 7/8/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Not sure if this one is new or even useful, but it's cute nevertheless: > > R' U2 L' D2 L U2 R - U R' U L' D2 L U' R U' > > 2 distinctive parts ... > > -Per > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Have you tried using algos like: > > R' D R (ed) R' D' R (e'd') on 5x5x5 ??? Block 3-cycle, sorta in- > between pure 5x5x5 alg and 3x3x3 alg ;-) > Yes =) that's exactly what I ment with "...is to use paralell cycles (example doing m'+r instead of single r-slice turns if a mid edge is paired with a corner edge)..." Diffrence is that I would write the alg as: (x') U' R U (m'r) U' R' U (mr') But you can do more weird things = diffrent cycles - like this one: (x') r U' R U' m2 U2 r' U' R' U' m2 U2 Even more weird, add only two l-turns and you get a third cycle: (x') r U' R U' m2 U2 r' l' U' R' U' m2 U2 l Three diffrent cycles in 14 turns. Imagine what you can do to a 100 layer cube =P

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "rubiksfriend" <mooseman6792@...> wrote: > > This is, I'm sure, a very popular topic. I'm very interested in > finding more information concerning various Corners First methods; > I've heard of the Waterman method, and looked at it, but am confused. > It also seems impossible to learn it incrementally. Any thoughts? > This is my approach, not pure CF doe: 1) Solve the four F2L pairs at first = wery easy to do, normally the first pair is done or only one turn away. 2) Do CLL 3) Choose the best side (U or D) to use for FL and put down the edges using MU turns. The first two you pair with centres so you also solve those in this step (do not do opposite sides as the two first, if you did RD edge and R centre first then do F or B but not L as second by putting down F (or B) centre, D centre and the edge that goes between them as a 1x2x2 block.) 4) Do ELL Done! // Kenneth

I own a meffert's professor cube (5x5x5) I have been dealing with tiles coming unglued while working it. I just put em back on with some CA glue (being careful not to glue the cube pieces together.) I would like to dismantle the cube and force the other color tiles to break loose so i can glue them fresh. I want to do this while dismantled to secure against accidental gluing of the pieces together. I don't know how this cube is assembled, and don't know how to take it apart. It is a standard 6 color combo that is NLA. (no pink or purple colors on it, just normal B,G,R,W,O,Y)so I'm afraid to force something without knowing whats inside, because I wont be able to replace it if I break it. can anyone help? anyone have diagrams/instructions? Segnet

Have you guys ever heard of copyrights ? Gilles 2007/7/5, lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...>: > > since most ppl are right handed and they use that hand the most, > preferably put it on the left so it does not get obstructed when the wearer > uses their hand. > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@... <khoale1234567%40sbcglobal.net>> > wrote: so should i put it on the right or left side? > > devin1891 <devin1891@... <devin1891%40gmail.com>> wrote: yeah they > are usually on the left. > > not sure how much that would cost to print because you have slight > color variation of black on the cubies in between the stickers but if > you could deal with it just being black there i could print a shirt > for you for preview. (but it would have to wait till Thursday because > thats the next time i can go to school). > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > amiejl1981 > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > Aren't small logos on a shirt usually on the other side? It just > > looks weird in it's placement. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brian Le" > > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > > > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Awesome records :-) Contratulations to everyone ! Gilles 2007/7/8, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...>: > > Go check them out on the "Live Results" from Wroclaw Open. > > 16.xx single and 22.xx average. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

But bad luck for Kózka on 4x4x4 avg. R ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles van den Peereboom To: speedsolvingrubikscube@...m Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records Awesome records :-) Contratulations to everyone ! Gilles 2007/7/8, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...>: > > Go check them out on the "Live Results" from Wroclaw Open. > > 16.xx single and 22.xx average. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) It's a bit funny because of the 2 quite similar parts making it up. I guess it's not cute or funny for speedcubing purists because it's not optimally short or extremely fast to perform ... The construction is cute for me anyway :-) If i were a squirrel i might hug my cubes :-P -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander J Goldberg" <ajgold04@...> wrote: > > Per, what makes it funny or cute? Are you hugging your cube? ;) > I am curious why, despite the sarcasm. > > > On 7/8/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > Not sure if this one is new or even useful, but it's cute nevertheless: > > > > R' U2 L' D2 L U2 R - U R' U L' D2 L U' R U' > > > > 2 distinctive parts ... > > > > -Per > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Why ? http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/events.php?eventId=444&regionId=&years=&show=100%2BPersons&average=Average Gilles 2007/7/9, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...>: > > But bad luck for Kózka on 4x4x4 avg. > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gilles van den Peereboom > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > Awesome records :-) > > Contratulations to everyone ! > > Gilles > > 2007/7/8, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@... <logitewty%40hotmail.com> > >: > > > > Go check them out on the "Live Results" from Wroclaw Open. > > > > 16.xx single and 22.xx average. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

At first I also thought it was rather boring but after looking at it and seeing how it works, I also start to like it. This algorithm has the quality of being very easy to understand and thus easy to teach someone else how to use it. Thanks Per. :-) 2007/7/9, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...>: > > Hi :-) > > It's a bit funny because of the 2 quite similar parts making it up. I > guess it's not cute or funny for speedcubing purists because it's not > optimally short or extremely fast to perform ... The construction is > cute for me anyway :-) If i were a squirrel i might hug my cubes :-P > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Alexander J > Goldberg" <ajgold04@...> wrote: > > > > Per, what makes it funny or cute? Are you hugging your cube? ;) > > I am curious why, despite the sarcasm. > > > > > > On 7/8/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi :-) > > > > > > Not sure if this one is new or even useful, but it's cute > nevertheless: > > > > > > R' U2 L' D2 L U2 R - U R' U L' D2 L U' R U' > > > > > > 2 distinctive parts ... > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Segnet, If I were you would just leave it, and reglue tiles when they fall off naturally. You only need a tiny amount of superglue in the centre of the underside of the tile to stick it back on, and using only a tiny amount of glue will ensure that it doesn't spread out towards the edge of the tile when you press it down and glue the pieces together. Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I own a meffert's professor cube (5x5x5) > I have been dealing with tiles coming unglued while working it. > I just put em back on with some CA glue (being careful not to glue > the cube pieces together.) > > I would like to dismantle the cube and force the other color tiles to > break loose so i can glue them fresh. I want to do this while > dismantled to secure against accidental gluing of the pieces together. > > I don't know how this cube is assembled, and don't know how to take > it apart. It is a standard 6 color combo that is NLA. (no pink or > purple colors on it, just normal B,G,R,W,O,Y)so I'm afraid to force > something without knowing whats inside, because I wont be able to > replace it if I break it. > > can anyone help? anyone have diagrams/instructions? > > Segnet >

Hi :-) If one can get a grip on how commutators work, the easiest way to understand how to twist 2-corners is probably like so: [R' D R F D F',U or U2] or [R' D2 R F D2 F',U or U2] For adjacent or opposite twists. Then there's also 2 mirrored sunes ... or the well known (L B' D2 B L' U2)*2. Spoilt for choices :D -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > At first I also thought it was rather boring but after looking at it and > seeing how it works, I also start to like it. > > This algorithm has the quality of being very easy to understand and thus > easy to teach someone else how to use it. > > Thanks Per. :-) > > 2007/7/9, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...>: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > It's a bit funny because of the 2 quite similar parts making it up. I > > guess it's not cute or funny for speedcubing purists because it's not > > optimally short or extremely fast to perform ... The construction is > > cute for me anyway :-) If i were a squirrel i might hug my cubes :-P > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Alexander J > > Goldberg" <ajgold04@> wrote: > > > > > > Per, what makes it funny or cute? Are you hugging your cube? ;) > > > I am curious why, despite the sarcasm. > > > > > > > > > On 7/8/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi :-) > > > > > > > > Not sure if this one is new or even useful, but it's cute > > nevertheless: > > > > > > > > R' U2 L' D2 L U2 R - U R' U L' D2 L U' R U' > > > > > > > > 2 distinctive parts ... > > > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Had he been 8 hundreds faster, he had got the WR. Maybe just a bad speed? R ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles van den Peereboom To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records Why ? http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/events.php?eventId=444&regionId=&years=&show=100%2BPersons&average=Average Gilles 2007/7/9, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...>: > > But bad luck for Kózka on 4x4x4 avg. > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gilles van den Peereboom > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > Awesome records :-) > > Contratulations to everyone ! > > Gilles > > 2007/7/8, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@... <logitewty%40hotmail.com> > >: > > > > Go check them out on the "Live Results" from Wroclaw Open. > > > > 16.xx single and 22.xx average. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Actually he needed to be 4.44 seconds faster in average to break the WR. (I think the misunderstanding comes from the fact that speedcubing.com links to the times done in the year 2007, not the ones done in all competitions ever. And in this case, in 2006, Michael Fung had an average of 59.21seconds.) Gilles 2007/7/9, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...>: > > Had he been 8 hundreds faster, he had got the WR. Maybe just a bad > speed? > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gilles van den Peereboom > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > Why ? > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/events.php?eventId=444&regionId=&years=&show=100%2BPersons&average=Average > > Gilles > > 2007/7/9, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...<rune.wesstrom%40hem.utfors.se> > >: > > > > But bad luck for Kózka on 4x4x4 avg. > > R > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gilles van den Peereboom > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > Awesome records :-) > > > > Contratulations to everyone ! > > > > Gilles > > > > 2007/7/8, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...<logitewty%40hotmail.com><logitewty%40hotmai > l.com> > > >: > > > > > > Go check them out on the "Live Results" from Wroclaw Open. > > > > > > 16.xx single and 22.xx average. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's a funny alg, indeed, Per. Of course, 2-gen would be faster and fewer moves :), but I always like these kind of algs. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Not sure if this one is new or even useful, but it's cute nevertheless: > > R' U2 L' D2 L U2 R - U R' U L' D2 L U' R U' > > 2 distinctive parts ... > > -Per >

yes that why i was asking permission... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Have you guys ever heard of copyrights ? > > Gilles > > 2007/7/5, lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...>: > > > > since most ppl are right handed and they use that hand the most, > > preferably put it on the left so it does not get obstructed when the wearer > > uses their hand. > > > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@... <khoale1234567%40sbcglobal.net>> > > wrote: so should i put it on the right or left side? > > > > devin1891 <devin1891@... <devin1891%40gmail.com>> wrote: yeah they > > are usually on the left. > > > > not sure how much that would cost to print because you have slight > > color variation of black on the cubies in between the stickers but if > > you could deal with it just being black there i could print a shirt > > for you for preview. (but it would have to wait till Thursday because > > thats the next time i can go to school). > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > amiejl1981 > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Aren't small logos on a shirt usually on the other side? It just > > > looks weird in it's placement. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Brian Le" > > > > [URL=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotcubeno6.jpg][IMG] > > > > http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4295/gotcubeno6.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > > Games. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Thanks Dan, Thats been my M.O. for now. But I tend to take the thing with me a lot, and fear I may loose a tile! I also have a mefferts 4x4x4 that I DID loose a tile from. I was visiting some relatives while they where camping at a nearby lake. two tiles came off that evening, I only kept track of one of them. the other is lost for good! Dan <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: Hi Segnet, If I were you would just leave it, and reglue tiles when they fall off naturally. You only need a tiny amount of superglue in the centre of the underside of the tile to stick it back on, and using only a tiny amount of glue will ensure that it doesn't spread out towards the edge of the tile when you press it down and glue the pieces together. Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I own a meffert's professor cube (5x5x5) > I have been dealing with tiles coming unglued while working it. > I just put em back on with some CA glue (being careful not to glue > the cube pieces together.) > > I would like to dismantle the cube and force the other color tiles to > break loose so i can glue them fresh. I want to do this while > dismantled to secure against accidental gluing of the pieces together. > > I don't know how this cube is assembled, and don't know how to take > it apart. It is a standard 6 color combo that is NLA. (no pink or > purple colors on it, just normal B,G,R,W,O,Y)so I'm afraid to force > something without knowing whats inside, because I wont be able to > replace it if I break it. > > can anyone help? anyone have diagrams/instructions? > > Segnet > --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think it is time to stop doing "mean of 3" averages and start doing regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages on Square-1. Just look at the results (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/e.php?eventId=sq1&regionId=&years=&show=10%2BPersons&average=Average) and see how much influence 1 good/lucky or 1 bad/pop/dnf solve can have. Actually, I think all events (except blindfolded) should have regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages. This included Magic, Master Magic, Clock, Pyraminx and MegaMinx. I understand the implications of this (more time needed especially for MegaMinx, incompatibility with current World Records, less DNF's), but I think most people are fast enough now. Also, if time is really a problem, how about a general rule like "To qualify for a 5 solves average, you have to beat the current (World-Record-Time)*2 in your first 2 attempts"? I realize this should be addressed (and probably has been many times before) by the WCA, but with competitors getting faster and greater in numbers, maybe it is time for a change (starting in 2008)?

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Hi Arnaud, I would love to do 'average of 5' for Square-1 and Megaminx and Clock. There are some reasons why I think we should not do it: 1) the popularity of the events is not big (54, 44, 85 competitors on world ranking), although caused by several factors. 2) there are only a handful of top cubers, the rest of the competitors are intermediate or low level 3) the puzzles are (extremely) hard to scramble These events, with all respect, are not main events (yet). Given the limited time for a competition we have to make choices. I prefer to have more events with time per event reserved relative to the popularity of the event. My vote would be to keep it like this for now. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records >I think it is time to stop doing "mean of 3" averages and start doing > regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages on Square-1. Just look at > the results > (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/e.php?eventId=sq1&regionId=&years=&show=10%2BPersons&average=Average) > and see how much influence 1 good/lucky or 1 bad/pop/dnf solve can have. > > Actually, I think all events (except blindfolded) should have regular > "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages. This included Magic, Master > Magic, > Clock, Pyraminx and MegaMinx. I understand the implications of this (more > time needed especially for MegaMinx, incompatibility with current World > Records, less DNF's), but I think most people are fast enough now. Also, > if > time is really a problem, how about a general rule like "To qualify for a > 5 > solves average, you have to beat the current (World-Record-Time)*2 in your > first 2 attempts"? > > I realize this should be addressed (and probably has been many times > before) > by the WCA, but with competitors getting faster and greater in numbers, > maybe it is time for a change (starting in 2008)? > > >

Hey, I use a hybrid of petrus and fridrich F2L, then I orient the edges and then corners, and then PLL. I average about 31-33 seconds with this method. Should I learn OLL now? If not how fast should I be when I start learning OLL? -Thanks

I use what sounds like a similar method and have been averaging around 23 seconds or so with it. Fridrich F2L, OLLE, OLLC, PLL. I have begun to learn the OLL though, and can presently do OLL PLL in cases where either all or none of the edges are correctly oriented. Prepare for your times to tank while you learn the new algs though! -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ericdolphyfan" <ericdolphyfan@...> wrote: > > Hey, > I use a hybrid of petrus and fridrich F2L, then I orient the edges and > then corners, and then PLL. I average about 31-33 seconds with this > method. Should I learn OLL now? If not how fast should I be when I > start learning OLL? > -Thanks >

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Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got the replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great service). i do not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed either. what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces together. no i dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right away, or wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it would help it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the feet to the centers. let me know what you think. thanks, jeff

Is it Eastsheen or Rubik? And what pieces are breaking and when? On 7/9/07, jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got the > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great service). i do > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed either. > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces together. no i > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right away, or > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it would help > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the feet to > the centers. let me know what you think. > > thanks, > jeff > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, If Cubesmith offers pieces for it, it must be a Rubik's brand. ;) My suggestion is to lubricate it and just turn more carefully. -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > Is it Eastsheen or Rubik? And what pieces are breaking and when? > > On 7/9/07, jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got the > > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great service). i do > > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed either. > > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces together. no i > > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right away, or > > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it would help > > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the feet to > > the centers. let me know what you think. > > > > thanks, > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi Ron, Let me address your reasons 1 by 1: 1) Popularity: I agree that these puzzles are less popular than others. That is why they are usually side-events on another stage or on another day. This ensures that they don't take time/focus away from the main events. Events like Fewest Moves and Blindfolded (especially multiple blindfolded and >3x3x3 blindfolded) don't have a lot of competitors alsoe, but take up much more time than Square-1, MegaMinx, Clock, etc do. 2) Top/Rest-difference: I agree that the difference between the absolute top cubers and the rest is bigger than on most main-events. A big part of the explanation is that the top cubers seem to practice these puzzles much more than the rest does. Timewise, that means that top cubers will be done very fast, even if they do 5 solves. Having a cut-off time limit for who gets to do an average (just like on 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) would prevent events from taking to long. Such a cut-off time would also motivate "the rest" to practice these puzzles more. The exact way of determining the cut-off time could be in the form of World-Record-Average-Time) * n, where a good value for n might be between 2 and 3. 3) Scrambling: I agree for MegaMinx, but not for Clock and Square-1. I think the problem is more to find scramblers that know the notation. This issue is also adressed by having a cut-off time, because that would keep the number of puzzles that need to get scrambled about the same. It just seems inconsistent and unwanted to me to have 1. Clock be a "mean of 3" while Pyraminx is an average of 5. 2. MegaMinx be a "mean of 3" while 5x5x5 is an average of 5 with a cut-off time. 3. Square-1 be a "mean of 3" while luck and easy solves has such a big influence. I hope I have written all of this down in a way that makes both your consernes and my thoughts about them clear. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron van Bruchem To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records Hi Arnaud, I would love to do 'average of 5' for Square-1 and Megaminx and Clock. There are some reasons why I think we should not do it: 1) the popularity of the events is not big (54, 44, 85 competitors on world ranking), although caused by several factors. 2) there are only a handful of top cubers, the rest of the competitors are intermediate or low level 3) the puzzles are (extremely) hard to scramble These events, with all respect, are not main events (yet). Given the limited time for a competition we have to make choices. I prefer to have more events with time per event reserved relative to the popularity of the event. My vote would be to keep it like this for now. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records >I think it is time to stop doing "mean of 3" averages and start doing > regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages on Square-1. Just look at > the results > (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/e.php?eventId=sq1&regionId=&years=&show=10%2BPersons&average=Average) > and see how much influence 1 good/lucky or 1 bad/pop/dnf solve can have. > > Actually, I think all events (except blindfolded) should have regular > "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages. This included Magic, Master > Magic, > Clock, Pyraminx and MegaMinx. I understand the implications of this (more > time needed especially for MegaMinx, incompatibility with current World > Records, less DNF's), but I think most people are fast enough now. Also, > if > time is really a problem, how about a general rule like "To qualify for a > 5 > solves average, you have to beat the current (World-Record-Time)*2 in your > first 2 attempts"? > > I realize this should be addressed (and probably has been many times > before) > by the WCA, but with competitors getting faster and greater in numbers, > maybe it is time for a change (starting in 2008)? > > >

Bob wouldn't have beaten me if Clock was an average of 5. ;) -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Let me address your reasons 1 by 1: > > 1) Popularity: I agree that these puzzles are less popular than others. That > is why they are usually side-events on another stage or on another day. This > ensures that they don't take time/focus away from the main events. Events > like Fewest Moves and Blindfolded (especially multiple blindfolded and > >3x3x3 blindfolded) don't have a lot of competitors alsoe, but take up much > more time than Square-1, MegaMinx, Clock, etc do. > 2) Top/Rest-difference: I agree that the difference between the absolute top > cubers and the rest is bigger than on most main-events. A big part of the > explanation is that the top cubers seem to practice these puzzles much more > than the rest does. Timewise, that means that top cubers will be done very > fast, even if they do 5 solves. Having a cut-off time limit for who gets to > do an average (just like on 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) would prevent events from > taking to long. Such a cut-off time would also motivate "the rest" to > practice these puzzles more. The exact way of determining the cut- off time > could be in the form of World-Record-Average-Time) * n, where a good value > for n might be between 2 and 3. > 3) Scrambling: I agree for MegaMinx, but not for Clock and Square- 1. I think > the problem is more to find scramblers that know the notation. This issue is > also adressed by having a cut-off time, because that would keep the number > of puzzles that need to get scrambled about the same. > > It just seems inconsistent and unwanted to me to have > 1. Clock be a "mean of 3" while Pyraminx is an average of 5. > 2. MegaMinx be a "mean of 3" while 5x5x5 is an average of 5 with a cut-off > time. > 3. Square-1 be a "mean of 3" while luck and easy solves has such a big > influence. > > I hope I have written all of this down in a way that makes both your > consernes and my thoughts about them clear. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron van Bruchem > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > > Hi Arnaud, > > I would love to do 'average of 5' for Square-1 and Megaminx and Clock. > There are some reasons why I think we should not do it: > 1) the popularity of the events is not big (54, 44, 85 competitors on world > ranking), although caused by several factors. > 2) there are only a handful of top cubers, the rest of the competitors are > intermediate or low level > 3) the puzzles are (extremely) hard to scramble > > These events, with all respect, are not main events (yet). > Given the limited time for a competition we have to make choices. I prefer > to have more events with time per event reserved relative to the popularity > of the event. > My vote would be to keep it like this for now. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > >I think it is time to stop doing "mean of 3" averages and start doing > > regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages on Square-1. Just look at > > the results > > (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/ e.php?eventId=sq1&regionId=&years=&show=10%2BPersons&average=Average) > > and see how much influence 1 good/lucky or 1 bad/pop/dnf solve can have. > > > > Actually, I think all events (except blindfolded) should have regular > > "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages. This included Magic, Master > > Magic, > > Clock, Pyraminx and MegaMinx. I understand the implications of this (more > > time needed especially for MegaMinx, incompatibility with current World > > Records, less DNF's), but I think most people are fast enough now. Also, > > if > > time is really a problem, how about a general rule like "To qualify for a > > 5 > > solves average, you have to beat the current (World-Record- Time)*2 in your > > first 2 attempts"? > > > > I realize this should be addressed (and probably has been many times > > before) > > by the WCA, but with competitors getting faster and greater in numbers, > > maybe it is time for a change (starting in 2008)? > > > > > > >

Hey Arnaud, Ron, everyone else :) The idea of that the fastest only do an avg of 5 is not really in line with the comon ideas of the WCA I think? This would mean that only the 'fast' people, which are only a few in these sides puzzles, would have a chance of doing an average of 5 while the big majority of cubers can only have one or 2 attempts depending on the format. So we would end up with a single solve record list of quite long, but there would only be about 10 solvers on the average list! A while back there was the same issue on 5x5 I think? Erik --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Let me address your reasons 1 by 1: > > 1) Popularity: I agree that these puzzles are less popular than others. That > is why they are usually side-events on another stage or on another day. This > ensures that they don't take time/focus away from the main events. Events > like Fewest Moves and Blindfolded (especially multiple blindfolded and > >3x3x3 blindfolded) don't have a lot of competitors alsoe, but take up much > more time than Square-1, MegaMinx, Clock, etc do. > 2) Top/Rest-difference: I agree that the difference between the absolute top > cubers and the rest is bigger than on most main-events. A big part of the > explanation is that the top cubers seem to practice these puzzles much more > than the rest does. Timewise, that means that top cubers will be done very > fast, even if they do 5 solves. Having a cut-off time limit for who gets to > do an average (just like on 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) would prevent events from > taking to long. Such a cut-off time would also motivate "the rest" to > practice these puzzles more. The exact way of determining the cut-off time > could be in the form of World-Record-Average-Time) * n, where a good value > for n might be between 2 and 3. > 3) Scrambling: I agree for MegaMinx, but not for Clock and Square-1. I think > the problem is more to find scramblers that know the notation. This issue is > also adressed by having a cut-off time, because that would keep the number > of puzzles that need to get scrambled about the same. > > It just seems inconsistent and unwanted to me to have > 1. Clock be a "mean of 3" while Pyraminx is an average of 5. > 2. MegaMinx be a "mean of 3" while 5x5x5 is an average of 5 with a cut-off > time. > 3. Square-1 be a "mean of 3" while luck and easy solves has such a big > influence. > > I hope I have written all of this down in a way that makes both your > consernes and my thoughts about them clear. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron van Bruchem > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > > Hi Arnaud, > > I would love to do 'average of 5' for Square-1 and Megaminx and Clock. > There are some reasons why I think we should not do it: > 1) the popularity of the events is not big (54, 44, 85 competitors on world > ranking), although caused by several factors. > 2) there are only a handful of top cubers, the rest of the competitors are > intermediate or low level > 3) the puzzles are (extremely) hard to scramble > > These events, with all respect, are not main events (yet). > Given the limited time for a competition we have to make choices. I prefer > to have more events with time per event reserved relative to the popularity > of the event. > My vote would be to keep it like this for now. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > >I think it is time to stop doing "mean of 3" averages and start doing > > regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages on Square-1. Just look at > > the results > > (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/e.php?eventId=sq1&regionId=&years=&show=10%2BPersons&average=Average) > > and see how much influence 1 good/lucky or 1 bad/pop/dnf solve can have. > > > > Actually, I think all events (except blindfolded) should have regular > > "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages. This included Magic, Master > > Magic, > > Clock, Pyraminx and MegaMinx. I understand the implications of this (more > > time needed especially for MegaMinx, incompatibility with current World > > Records, less DNF's), but I think most people are fast enough now. Also, > > if > > time is really a problem, how about a general rule like "To qualify for a > > 5 > > solves average, you have to beat the current (World-Record-Time)*2 in your > > first 2 attempts"? > > > > I realize this should be addressed (and probably has been many times > > before) > > by the WCA, but with competitors getting faster and greater in numbers, > > maybe it is time for a change (starting in 2008)? > > > > > > >

Having a cut-off time is definately not ideal, but apparently it is necessary for SOME competitions. But those cut-off times can also be a great motivator. I have personally done a lot of training to reach some common cut-off times (3 minutes for 5x5x5, 2 minutes for 4x4x4 and 10 minutes for 3x3x3_blindfolded). I hardly ever practice puzzles like MegaMinx, Clock, Pyraminx, etc. This is partly because I know I will get to do all solves during a competition anyway. If those puzzles would have a cut-off time, I know I would practice them more often also. For the US Open 2007 and for Worlds, qualification rounds are necessary. Those qualifications are basically just cut-off times. They have motivated me to break 24 seconds on 3x3x3 and 1:30 on 4x4x4. Managing time during competitions is very important and ideally every competitor should get the same amount (5) of attempts. But if there is not enought time, I would prefer to see the top cubers do 5 fast solves and the rest do 2 slow solves rather than everyone doing 3 solves. Let's make this concrete: Arnaud van Galen (me) and Erik Akkersdijk both participate in a time-cramped competition on the MegaMinx. Current situation: Erik does 3 solves (done in 6 minutes) and Arnaud does 3 solves (done in 15 minutes). Alternative situation: Erik does 2 solves (done in 4 minutes), and 3 more solves (6 more minutes for a 10 minutes total) and Arnaud does 2 solves (done in 10 minutes). Spectators would much rather see Erik do 5 solves instead of seeing Arnaud do 3 solves. Erik would get a more balanced result, especially if he has a bad/pop solve and a perfect/lucky solve. Arnaud will hopefully be satisfied that he broke his personal record and will practice more at home to qualify for all 5 solves next time. Both Erik and Arnaud will have had the same amount of time on stage. The event will be done 5 minutes (33%) faster. The only disadvantage for the competition is that there is 1 extra scramble needed (current = 3+3, alternative = 5+2) -------- Original Message -------- > From: "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:49 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > Hey Arnaud, Ron, everyone else :) > > The idea of that the fastest only do an avg of 5 is not really in line > with the comon ideas of the WCA I think? This would mean that only > the 'fast' people, which are only a few in these sides puzzles, would > have a chance of doing an average of 5 while the big majority of > cubers can only have one or 2 attempts depending on the format. So we > would end up with a single solve record list of quite long, but there > would only be about 10 solvers on the average list! A while back there > was the same issue on 5x5 I think? > > Erik > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > Let me address your reasons 1 by 1: > > > > 1) Popularity: I agree that these puzzles are less popular than > others. That > > is why they are usually side-events on another stage or on another > day. This > > ensures that they don't take time/focus away from the main events. > Events > > like Fewest Moves and Blindfolded (especially multiple blindfolded and > > >3x3x3 blindfolded) don't have a lot of competitors alsoe, but take > up much > > more time than Square-1, MegaMinx, Clock, etc do. > > 2) Top/Rest-difference: I agree that the difference between the > absolute top > > cubers and the rest is bigger than on most main-events. A big part > of the > > explanation is that the top cubers seem to practice these puzzles > much more > > than the rest does. Timewise, that means that top cubers will be > done very > > fast, even if they do 5 solves. Having a cut-off time limit for who > gets to > > do an average (just like on 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) would prevent events from > > taking to long. Such a cut-off time would also motivate "the rest" to > > practice these puzzles more. The exact way of determining the > cut-off time > > could be in the form of World-Record-Average-Time) * n, where a good > value > > for n might be between 2 and 3. > > 3) Scrambling: I agree for MegaMinx, but not for Clock and Square-1. > I think > > the problem is more to find scramblers that know the notation. This > issue is > > also adressed by having a cut-off time, because that would keep the > number > > of puzzles that need to get scrambled about the same. > > > > It just seems inconsistent and unwanted to me to have > > 1. Clock be a "mean of 3" while Pyraminx is an average of 5. > > 2. MegaMinx be a "mean of 3" while 5x5x5 is an average of 5 with a > cut-off > > time. > > 3. Square-1 be a "mean of 3" while luck and easy solves has such a big > > influence. > > > > I hope I have written all of this down in a way that makes both your > > consernes and my thoughts about them clear. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron van Bruchem > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > Hi Arnaud, > > > > I would love to do 'average of 5' for Square-1 and Megaminx and Clock. > > There are some reasons why I think we should not do it: > > 1) the popularity of the events is not big (54, 44, 85 competitors > on world > > ranking), although caused by several factors. > > 2) there are only a handful of top cubers, the rest of the > competitors are > > intermediate or low level > > 3) the puzzles are (extremely) hard to scramble > > > > These events, with all respect, are not main events (yet). > > Given the limited time for a competition we have to make choices. I > prefer > > to have more events with time per event reserved relative to the > popularity > > of the event. > > My vote would be to keep it like this for now. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > >I think it is time to stop doing "mean of 3" averages and start doing > > > regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages on Square-1. Just > look at > > > the results > > > > (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/e.php?eventId=sq1&regionId=&years=&show=10%2BPersons&average=Average) > > > and see how much influence 1 good/lucky or 1 bad/pop/dnf solve can > have. > > > > > > Actually, I think all events (except blindfolded) should have regular > > > "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages. This included Magic, Master > > > Magic, > > > Clock, Pyraminx and MegaMinx. I understand the implications of > this (more > > > time needed especially for MegaMinx, incompatibility with current > World > > > Records, less DNF's), but I think most people are fast enough now. > Also, > > > if > > > time is really a problem, how about a general rule like "To > qualify for a > > > 5 > > > solves average, you have to beat the current (World-Record-Time)*2 > in your > > > first 2 attempts"? > > > > > > I realize this should be addressed (and probably has been many times > > > before) > > > by the WCA, but with competitors getting faster and greater in > numbers, > > > maybe it is time for a change (starting in 2008)? > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi :-) It's always better to be safe than sorry. I know for sure that in the past some competition events were set up as combined final. This is often done like that to have some kinda safety net. If time allows those were occasionally changed to ordinary qualification+final rounds, instead of just the scheduled combined final. Sometimes, also the "entry limit" was lifted if it was seen that time allowed more participants. I honestly think it's better to play safe than to gamble with jam-packed programs if things start to go haywire timewise. My 2 eurocents ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Let me address your reasons 1 by 1: > > 1) Popularity: I agree that these puzzles are less popular than others. That > is why they are usually side-events on another stage or on another day. This > ensures that they don't take time/focus away from the main events. Events > like Fewest Moves and Blindfolded (especially multiple blindfolded and > >3x3x3 blindfolded) don't have a lot of competitors alsoe, but take up much > more time than Square-1, MegaMinx, Clock, etc do. > 2) Top/Rest-difference: I agree that the difference between the absolute top > cubers and the rest is bigger than on most main-events. A big part of the > explanation is that the top cubers seem to practice these puzzles much more > than the rest does. Timewise, that means that top cubers will be done very > fast, even if they do 5 solves. Having a cut-off time limit for who gets to > do an average (just like on 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) would prevent events from > taking to long. Such a cut-off time would also motivate "the rest" to > practice these puzzles more. The exact way of determining the cut- off time > could be in the form of World-Record-Average-Time) * n, where a good value > for n might be between 2 and 3. > 3) Scrambling: I agree for MegaMinx, but not for Clock and Square- 1. I think > the problem is more to find scramblers that know the notation. This issue is > also adressed by having a cut-off time, because that would keep the number > of puzzles that need to get scrambled about the same. > > It just seems inconsistent and unwanted to me to have > 1. Clock be a "mean of 3" while Pyraminx is an average of 5. > 2. MegaMinx be a "mean of 3" while 5x5x5 is an average of 5 with a cut-off > time. > 3. Square-1 be a "mean of 3" while luck and easy solves has such a big > influence. > > I hope I have written all of this down in a way that makes both your > consernes and my thoughts about them clear. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron van Bruchem > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > > Hi Arnaud, > > I would love to do 'average of 5' for Square-1 and Megaminx and Clock. > There are some reasons why I think we should not do it: > 1) the popularity of the events is not big (54, 44, 85 competitors on world > ranking), although caused by several factors. > 2) there are only a handful of top cubers, the rest of the competitors are > intermediate or low level > 3) the puzzles are (extremely) hard to scramble > > These events, with all respect, are not main events (yet). > Given the limited time for a competition we have to make choices. I prefer > to have more events with time per event reserved relative to the popularity > of the event. > My vote would be to keep it like this for now. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > >I think it is time to stop doing "mean of 3" averages and start doing > > regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages on Square-1. Just look at > > the results > > (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/e.php? eventId=sq1&regionId=&years=&show=10%2BPersons&average=Average) > > and see how much influence 1 good/lucky or 1 bad/pop/dnf solve can have. > > > > Actually, I think all events (except blindfolded) should have regular > > "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages. This included Magic, Master > > Magic, > > Clock, Pyraminx and MegaMinx. I understand the implications of this (more > > time needed especially for MegaMinx, incompatibility with current World > > Records, less DNF's), but I think most people are fast enough now. Also, > > if > > time is really a problem, how about a general rule like "To qualify for a > > 5 > > solves average, you have to beat the current (World-Record-Time) *2 in your > > first 2 attempts"? > > > > I realize this should be addressed (and probably has been many times > > before) > > by the WCA, but with competitors getting faster and greater in numbers, > > maybe it is time for a change (starting in 2008)? > > > > > > >

Ok thank you, i will go ahead and lube it. yes it is a rubiks. should i take it completely apart and lube each piece, or just spray some into the middle and turn it around? as you can see im new to 4x4 cubing :) thanks, jeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Hey, > > If Cubesmith offers pieces for it, it must be a Rubik's brand. ;) > > My suggestion is to lubricate it and just turn more carefully. > > -Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Pat > (PJK)" <pjkcards@> wrote: > > > > Is it Eastsheen or Rubik? And what pieces are breaking and when? > > > > On 7/9/07, jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got > the > > > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great service). > i do > > > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed > either. > > > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces together. > no i > > > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right away, or > > > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it would > help > > > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the > feet to > > > the centers. let me know what you think. > > > > > > thanks, > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Hi all, I have upload a few videos on youtube : http://fr.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=edges8 Nathan

As far as my personal experience with the 5x5x5, I didn't get an average in the first two competitions I went to (one because of speed, one because of time constraints), and since I wanted to get an average and be on the records list I was motivated (as Arnaud said) to practice more, but also to go to more competitions. Timing is a big problem, anyway, and if a competition is under strict time constraints (such as having to be over by sunset because it is outside) there won't be time to give everyone an average. Although it would be the most fair to give everyone the same amount of solves, fairness has not always been the most important consideration; if it was, the best solvers would not be allowed to have looser cubes than everyone else... --Michael Gottlieb --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > Hey Arnaud, Ron, everyone else :) > > The idea of that the fastest only do an avg of 5 is not really in line > with the comon ideas of the WCA I think? This would mean that only > the 'fast' people, which are only a few in these sides puzzles, would > have a chance of doing an average of 5 while the big majority of > cubers can only have one or 2 attempts depending on the format. So we > would end up with a single solve record list of quite long, but there > would only be about 10 solvers on the average list! A while back there > was the same issue on 5x5 I think? > > Erik

What do you mean by that? Are you saying that it would be more fair for everyone to use competition-provided cubes that may or may not be anything like what they're used to? Then the people used to the kind of cube which is provided are at an advantage. And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" <mzrg@...> wrote: > Although it > would be the most fair to give everyone the same amount of solves, > fairness has not always been the most important consideration; if it > was, the best solvers would not be allowed to have looser cubes than > everyone else... > > --Michael Gottlieb >

"the best solvers would not be allowed to have looser cubes than everyone else..." That is completely unrelated to fairness. Everyone has the opportunity to get a cube that they feel is comfortable. Anyways, I couldn't agree more with Arnaud on this one. On 7/10/07, Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > What do you mean by that? Are you saying that it would be more fair > for everyone to use competition-provided cubes that may or may not be > anything like what they're used to? Then the people used to the kind > of cube which is provided are at an advantage. > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Michael Gottlieb" > <mzrg@...> wrote: > > Although it > > would be the most fair to give everyone the same amount of solves, > > fairness has not always been the most important consideration; if it > > was, the best solvers would not be allowed to have looser cubes than > > everyone else... > > > > --Michael Gottlieb > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Okay, im no expert at the 4x4, but DO NOT lubricate it. I lubricated my 4x4 and it started poping like crazy. On the first session that i speedcubed with it, a centerpeice snapped. -Corwin Shiu --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got the > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great service). i do > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed either. > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces together. no i > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right away, or > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it would help > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the feet to > the centers. let me know what you think. > > thanks, > jeff >

Hi guys, Maybe I missed something, but I think this is an unofficial competition in Canton, Illinois: http://www.cantondailyledger.com/articles/2007/07/10/news/news10.txt Anyone going there? Have fun, Ron

Once I lubricated it, I actually had no more problems with center pieces. ;) -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" <aznspazboi@...> wrote: > > Okay, im no expert at the 4x4, but DO NOT lubricate it. I lubricated > my 4x4 and it started poping like crazy. On the first session that i > speedcubed with it, a centerpeice snapped. > > > -Corwin Shiu > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got the > > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great service). i do > > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed either. > > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces together. no i > > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right away, or > > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it would help > > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the feet to > > the centers. let me know what you think. > > > > thanks, > > jeff > > >

sure i would have! i think i would have pulled a 12 and 13 or something. :P --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Bob wouldn't have beaten me if Clock was an average of 5. ;) > > -Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van > Galen" <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > Let me address your reasons 1 by 1: > > > > 1) Popularity: I agree that these puzzles are less popular than > others. That > > is why they are usually side-events on another stage or on another > day. This > > ensures that they don't take time/focus away from the main events. > Events > > like Fewest Moves and Blindfolded (especially multiple blindfolded > and > > >3x3x3 blindfolded) don't have a lot of competitors alsoe, but > take up much > > more time than Square-1, MegaMinx, Clock, etc do. > > 2) Top/Rest-difference: I agree that the difference between the > absolute top > > cubers and the rest is bigger than on most main-events. A big part > of the > > explanation is that the top cubers seem to practice these puzzles > much more > > than the rest does. Timewise, that means that top cubers will be > done very > > fast, even if they do 5 solves. Having a cut-off time limit for who > gets to > > do an average (just like on 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) would prevent events > from > > taking to long. Such a cut-off time would also motivate "the rest" > to > > practice these puzzles more. The exact way of determining the cut- > off time > > could be in the form of World-Record-Average-Time) * n, where a > good value > > for n might be between 2 and 3. > > 3) Scrambling: I agree for MegaMinx, but not for Clock and Square- > 1. I think > > the problem is more to find scramblers that know the notation. This > issue is > > also adressed by having a cut-off time, because that would keep the > number > > of puzzles that need to get scrambled about the same. > > > > It just seems inconsistent and unwanted to me to have > > 1. Clock be a "mean of 3" while Pyraminx is an average of 5. > > 2. MegaMinx be a "mean of 3" while 5x5x5 is an average of 5 with a > cut-off > > time. > > 3. Square-1 be a "mean of 3" while luck and easy solves has such a > big > > influence. > > > > I hope I have written all of this down in a way that makes both > your > > consernes and my thoughts about them clear. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron van Bruchem > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > Hi Arnaud, > > > > I would love to do 'average of 5' for Square-1 and Megaminx and > Clock. > > There are some reasons why I think we should not do it: > > 1) the popularity of the events is not big (54, 44, 85 competitors > on world > > ranking), although caused by several factors. > > 2) there are only a handful of top cubers, the rest of the > competitors are > > intermediate or low level > > 3) the puzzles are (extremely) hard to scramble > > > > These events, with all respect, are not main events (yet). > > Given the limited time for a competition we have to make choices. I > prefer > > to have more events with time per event reserved relative to the > popularity > > of the event. > > My vote would be to keep it like this for now. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > >I think it is time to stop doing "mean of 3" averages and start > doing > > > regular "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages on Square-1. Just > look at > > > the results > > > (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/ > e.php?eventId=sq1&regionId=&years=&show=10%2BPersons&average=Average) > > > and see how much influence 1 good/lucky or 1 bad/pop/dnf solve > can have. > > > > > > Actually, I think all events (except blindfolded) should have > regular > > > "average of 5 (drop high/low)" averages. This included Magic, > Master > > > Magic, > > > Clock, Pyraminx and MegaMinx. I understand the implications of > this (more > > > time needed especially for MegaMinx, incompatibility with current > World > > > Records, less DNF's), but I think most people are fast enough > now. Also, > > > if > > > time is really a problem, how about a general rule like "To > qualify for a > > > 5 > > > solves average, you have to beat the current (World-Record- > Time)*2 in your > > > first 2 attempts"? > > > > > > I realize this should be addressed (and probably has been many > times > > > before) > > > by the WCA, but with competitors getting faster and greater in > numbers, > > > maybe it is time for a change (starting in 2008)? > > > > > > > > > > > >

i honestly know nothing of it. very strange. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Maybe I missed something, but I think this is an unofficial competition > in Canton, Illinois: > http://www.cantondailyledger.com/articles/2007/07/10/news/news10.txt > > Anyone going there? > > Have fun, > > Ron >

Imagine a competition where someone and his friend show up. They each can solve the cube in 9 minutes. If they have an average of 5, then they've consumed and hour and half of a stackmat station. You can a little bit get around this by saying the first round is best of 1, times of less than 5 minutes can continue to the next round, which is a combined average with the previous round. But this has the downside of wasting a round (9m-9o) to weed out these people. Also, 9p and 9g2 could potentially conflict. When you have 10 stations, it's not too big of a deal, but this might affect a small competition to the point where other side events could have to be cancelled. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Having a cut-off time is definately not ideal, but apparently it is > necessary for SOME competitions. h can solve the cube in 9 minutes.

I recently lubed my 4x4x4 for speedsolving, but I'm still having a lot of problems with the cube popping. It's a Rubik's model, not an Eastsheen. Any suggestions?

It's just a local park district having some fun. I might try to make it...it's on my way to a wedding I have in St. Louis that day. Adam --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <rubikscubewhiz@...> wrote: > > i honestly know nothing of it. very strange. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Maybe I missed something, but I think this is an unofficial competition > > in Canton, Illinois: > > http://www.cantondailyledger.com/articles/2007/07/10/news/news10.txt > > > > Anyone going there? > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > >

I finally uploaded all the videos from the US Open final round. That was the only round I had anything recorded and Chris Pelley did all the recording. Thanks to him and I hope at least some of you are interested in watching them. Brittany Dzoan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dE3ltt_i4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBeVmDzhhw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUTQe6wnTY Chris Dzoan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_JBrj5_p8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cQsgYzWkQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEosjh5uhI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJWtwOuUlz4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCKI8a4Gmpg Dan Dzoan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8afB9uXC6Ws http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2uKD6N829w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvdkFl3V6A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvy9qzuYRw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIEo-Xsdaw Jason Baum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EnCCfpWd0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1kKy7LZ89A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nPo714I8HQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILc2ssmkMM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWTSrzuCOQ Lars Vandenbergh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHb-gQlzwpc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKEAVC6HQo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejukqg2Ufwg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u530ib--HjQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtKUKi64g0 Leyan Lo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeDrF_WPdo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie36eqmVAJc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhVhK-pVxY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7aquT47his http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptQcKepXKs Matt Walter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87Q8fvPAIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsA_MPmlnQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyBF-9lGRg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxdR62KBlU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyWyjvm04zs Mike Stewart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVnU7RX78o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkRXt-yWU8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwu_9GGEIo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvz44TfIpRA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_-kVsO5xI Mitchell Stern http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnCOZDgEXos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpeqdb-svg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHpfeaMH_XI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUhcvpDlNY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XBW3V8K0E Ryan Patricio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_l2Qk-ZAI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2D_kSY6Q4A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_wOuaQ2p4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDDgWuIjQLA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8qZRwmQcU Stefan Pochmann http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3czsxIIZo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-X20CW0T4o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSUwNYOxg4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unII3NXBIII http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvkjhTTsFM Toby Mao http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Oj1XpY_MA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEUtkQtOCoQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4z62gZHHtg

I'd check for broken pieces first. Like physically take apart the cube to check. Jon Choi --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jsreed5" <jsreed5@...> wrote: > > I recently lubed my 4x4x4 for speedsolving, but I'm still having a lot > of problems with the cube popping. It's a Rubik's model, not an > Eastsheen. Any suggestions? >

Sooner or later, it seems like most cubers make their own online cubing tutorials. So finally, I made mine. I'm current at the NJ Governor's School of Engineering and Technology, and I opted to teach a class on how to solve a Rubik's Cube during a "life skill" session. To facilitate my teaching, I made my own online tutorial - http://erwa.pnosker.com/secure/2007/rcsolution.html. Feel free to take a look, and if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, don't hesitate to reply. Happy cubing, Anthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Anthony, it is always fun doing it, especially if you like it taught a certain way. That link isn't working for me. On 7/11/07, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: > > Sooner or later, it seems like most cubers make their own online cubing > tutorials. So finally, I made mine. > > I'm current at the NJ Governor's School of Engineering and Technology, and > I > opted to teach a class on how to solve a Rubik's Cube during a "life > skill" > session. To facilitate my teaching, I made my own online tutorial - > http://erwa.pnosker.com/secure/2007/rcsolution.html. Feel free to take a > look, and if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, don't > hesitate to reply. > > Happy cubing, > Anthony > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > ---- > Swap two opposite: > > 42 > 13 > > (2:24) > > > r2 D2 r' D2 l D2 l' D2 B2 l' B2 r' (12) > > ----- > Same as above + PLL-parity: > > 31 > 24 > > (2:24) > > F2 l2 F2 l F2 l' F2 r U2 l U2 r' U2 l U2 l' (16) > > ----- Yesterday I found you can combine the 12 move alg above with Hardwick's PLL-parity to solve the combined case. If you start with the reverse of the PLL-parity and then merge the 12 move pice swap you can save some turns and also change a U2+D2 to E2, like this: u2 r2 Uu2 r2 E2 l D2 r' D2 r D2 B2 r B2 l (15) And that saves one turn and two in the total and that gives: 276 / 24 = 11,5 Closing in on sub 40 for the whole LL =) // Kenneth

You just need to delete the period at the end of the link. Thanks, Joey --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > Anthony, it is always fun doing it, especially if you like it taught a > certain way. That link isn't working for me. > > On 7/11/07, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: > > > > Sooner or later, it seems like most cubers make their own online cubing > > tutorials. So finally, I made mine. > > > > I'm current at the NJ Governor's School of Engineering and Technology, and > > I > > opted to teach a class on how to solve a Rubik's Cube during a "life > > skill" > > session. To facilitate my teaching, I made my own online tutorial - > > http://erwa.pnosker.com/secure/2007/rcsolution.html. Feel free to take a > > look, and if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, don't > > hesitate to reply. > > > > Happy cubing, > > Anthony > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hello all, I have finally finished moving the forum. The mass email feature is currently being updated to all the new imported members, so that isn't working just yet. The new domain is http://www.speedsolving.com . Please change your bookmarks and visit that link from now on. I will have rubiks.has.it forward to the new domain soon, but please utilize the speedsolving.com domain from this point forward. First things first, please check out this thread and read through it: http://www.speedsolving.com/showthread.php?p=10664#post10664 If you have any problems, please send me a PM here: http://www.speedsolving.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=1 I apologize for the long downtime, it took me sometime to create all the tables and import all the new data. However, it is back up and running now, and I hope you enjoy it. Forum URL: http://www.speedsolving.com

I cannot send you a PM. Actually, I can't do anything. [screendump] vBulletin Message You have been banned for the following reason: No reason was specified. Date the ban will be lifted: Never [/screendump] I thought we were friends :) -------- Original Message -------- > From: "pjkalamosa" <pjkcards@...> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:53 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Rubiks.has.it forum moved > > Hello all, > I have finally finished moving the forum. The mass email feature is > currently being updated to all the new imported members, so that isn't > working just yet. The new domain is http://www.speedsolving.com . > Please change your bookmarks and visit that link from now on. I will > have rubiks.has.it forward to the new domain soon, but please utilize > the speedsolving.com domain from this point forward. First things > first, please check out this thread and read through it: > http://www.speedsolving.com/showthread.php?p=10664#post10664 > > If you have any problems, please send me a PM here: > http://www.speedsolving.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=1 > > I apologize for the long downtime, it took me sometime to create all > the tables and import all the new data. However, it is back up and > running now, and I hope you enjoy it. > > Forum URL: http://www.speedsolving.com

Nice tutorial, although the animations can be a little confusing. I like the RU moves for Step 4 Edges, They are better than the FRU algs. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, joey_gouly <no_reply@...> wrote: > > You just need to delete the period at the end of the link. > > Thanks, > Joey > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Pat (PJK)" > <pjkcards@> wrote: > > > > Anthony, it is always fun doing it, especially if you like it taught a > > certain way. That link isn't working for me. > > > > On 7/11/07, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@> wrote: > > > > > > Sooner or later, it seems like most cubers make their own online > cubing > > > tutorials. So finally, I made mine. > > > > > > I'm current at the NJ Governor's School of Engineering and > Technology, and > > > I > > > opted to teach a class on how to solve a Rubik's Cube during a "life > > > skill" > > > session. To facilitate my teaching, I made my own online tutorial - > > > http://erwa.pnosker.com/secure/2007/rcsolution.html. Feel free to > take a > > > look, and if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, don't > > > hesitate to reply. > > > > > > Happy cubing, > > > Anthony > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

I can finally watch the Pochmann Pops! :d --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dzoan" <gvdlfs3@...> wrote: > > I finally uploaded all the videos from the US Open final round. That > was the only round I had anything recorded and Chris Pelley did all > the recording. Thanks to him and I hope at least some of you are > interested in watching them. > > Brittany Dzoan > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dE3ltt_i4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBeVmDzhhw > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUTQe6wnTY > > Chris Dzoan > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_JBrj5_p8 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cQsgYzWkQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEosjh5uhI > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJWtwOuUlz4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCKI8a4Gmpg > > Dan Dzoan > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8afB9uXC6Ws > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2uKD6N829w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvdkFl3V6A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvy9qzuYRw > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIEo-Xsdaw > > Jason Baum > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EnCCfpWd0 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1kKy7LZ89A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nPo714I8HQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILc2ssmkMM > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWTSrzuCOQ > > Lars Vandenbergh > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHb-gQlzwpc > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKEAVC6HQo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejukqg2Ufwg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u530ib--HjQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtKUKi64g0 > > Leyan Lo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeDrF_WPdo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie36eqmVAJc > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhVhK-pVxY > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7aquT47his > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptQcKepXKs > > Matt Walter > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87Q8fvPAIU > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsA_MPmlnQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyBF-9lGRg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxdR62KBlU > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyWyjvm04zs > > Mike Stewart > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVnU7RX78o > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkRXt-yWU8 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwu_9GGEIo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvz44TfIpRA > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_-kVsO5xI > > Mitchell Stern > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnCOZDgEXos > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpeqdb-svg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHpfeaMH_XI > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUhcvpDlNY > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XBW3V8K0E > > Ryan Patricio > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_l2Qk-ZAI8 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2D_kSY6Q4A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_wOuaQ2p4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDDgWuIjQLA > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8qZRwmQcU > > Stefan Pochmann > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3czsxIIZo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-X20CW0T4o > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSUwNYOxg4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unII3NXBIII > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvkjhTTsFM > > Toby Mao > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Oj1XpY_MA > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEUtkQtOCoQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4z62gZHHtg >

Hi :-) And where is the forgotten username feature ? :-P I'm serious, i haven't used that forum for quite some time and i had a user already. Once i get the username i will change/reset my password. Thanx! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I cannot send you a PM. Actually, I can't do anything. > > [screendump] > vBulletin Message > You have been banned for the following reason: > No reason was specified. > > Date the ban will be lifted: Never > [/screendump] > > I thought we were friends :) > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: "pjkalamosa" <pjkcards@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:53 AM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Rubiks.has.it forum moved > > > > Hello all, > > I have finally finished moving the forum. The mass email feature is > > currently being updated to all the new imported members, so that isn't > > working just yet. The new domain is http://www.speedsolving.com . > > Please change your bookmarks and visit that link from now on. I will > > have rubiks.has.it forward to the new domain soon, but please utilize > > the speedsolving.com domain from this point forward. First things > > first, please check out this thread and read through it: > > http://www.speedsolving.com/showthread.php?p=10664#post10664 > > > > If you have any problems, please send me a PM here: > > http://www.speedsolving.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=1 > > > > I apologize for the long downtime, it took me sometime to create all > > the tables and import all the new data. However, it is back up and > > running now, and I hope you enjoy it. > > > > Forum URL: http://www.speedsolving.com >

I don't know why, but Lars' second video is hilarious Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "striderxo" <striderxo@...> wrote: > > I can finally watch the Pochmann Pops! :d > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dzoan" > <gvdlfs3@> wrote: > > > > I finally uploaded all the videos from the US Open final round. That > > was the only round I had anything recorded and Chris Pelley did all > > the recording. Thanks to him and I hope at least some of you are > > interested in watching them. > > > > Brittany Dzoan > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dE3ltt_i4 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBeVmDzhhw > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUTQe6wnTY > > > > Chris Dzoan > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_JBrj5_p8 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cQsgYzWkQ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEosjh5uhI > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJWtwOuUlz4 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCKI8a4Gmpg > > > > Dan Dzoan > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8afB9uXC6Ws > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2uKD6N829w > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvdkFl3V6A > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvy9qzuYRw > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIEo-Xsdaw > > > > Jason Baum > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EnCCfpWd0 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1kKy7LZ89A > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nPo714I8HQ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILc2ssmkMM > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWTSrzuCOQ > > > > Lars Vandenbergh > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHb-gQlzwpc > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKEAVC6HQo > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejukqg2Ufwg > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u530ib--HjQ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtKUKi64g0 > > > > Leyan Lo > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeDrF_WPdo > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie36eqmVAJc > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhVhK-pVxY > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7aquT47his > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptQcKepXKs > > > > Matt Walter > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87Q8fvPAIU > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsA_MPmlnQ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyBF-9lGRg > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxdR62KBlU > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyWyjvm04zs > > > > Mike Stewart > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVnU7RX78o > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkRXt-yWU8 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwu_9GGEIo > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvz44TfIpRA > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_-kVsO5xI > > > > Mitchell Stern > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnCOZDgEXos > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpeqdb-svg > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHpfeaMH_XI > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUhcvpDlNY > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XBW3V8K0E > > > > Ryan Patricio > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_l2Qk-ZAI8 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2D_kSY6Q4A > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_wOuaQ2p4 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDDgWuIjQLA > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8qZRwmQcU > > > > Stefan Pochmann > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3czsxIIZo > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-X20CW0T4o > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSUwNYOxg4 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unII3NXBIII > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvkjhTTsFM > > > > Toby Mao > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Oj1XpY_MA > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEUtkQtOCoQ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4z62gZHHtg > > >

Thanks, Dan. You actually have Toby's #3 solve listed twice down there. His #4 solve is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuuP0qlxQco I also made a playlist of the entire series, so if you want to just sit back and watch, click here: http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/default.asp?DocID=1528 or here: http://tinyurl.com/2b3gce Chris Pelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dzoan" <gvdlfs3@...> wrote: > > I finally uploaded all the videos from the US Open final round. That > was the only round I had anything recorded and Chris Pelley did all > the recording. Thanks to him and I hope at least some of you are > interested in watching them. > > Brittany Dzoan > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dE3ltt_i4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBeVmDzhhw > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUTQe6wnTY > > Chris Dzoan > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_JBrj5_p8 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cQsgYzWkQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEosjh5uhI > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJWtwOuUlz4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCKI8a4Gmpg > > Dan Dzoan > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8afB9uXC6Ws > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2uKD6N829w > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvdkFl3V6A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvy9qzuYRw > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIEo-Xsdaw > > Jason Baum > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EnCCfpWd0 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1kKy7LZ89A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nPo714I8HQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILc2ssmkMM > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWTSrzuCOQ > > Lars Vandenbergh > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHb-gQlzwpc > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKEAVC6HQo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejukqg2Ufwg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u530ib--HjQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtKUKi64g0 > > Leyan Lo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeDrF_WPdo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie36eqmVAJc > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhVhK-pVxY > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7aquT47his > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptQcKepXKs > > Matt Walter > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87Q8fvPAIU > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsA_MPmlnQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyBF-9lGRg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxdR62KBlU > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyWyjvm04zs > > Mike Stewart > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVnU7RX78o > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkRXt-yWU8 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwu_9GGEIo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvz44TfIpRA > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_-kVsO5xI > > Mitchell Stern > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnCOZDgEXos > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpeqdb-svg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHpfeaMH_XI > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUhcvpDlNY > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XBW3V8K0E > > Ryan Patricio > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_l2Qk-ZAI8 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2D_kSY6Q4A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_wOuaQ2p4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDDgWuIjQLA > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8qZRwmQcU > > Stefan Pochmann > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3czsxIIZo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-X20CW0T4o > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSUwNYOxg4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unII3NXBIII > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvkjhTTsFM > > Toby Mao > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Oj1XpY_MA > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEUtkQtOCoQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4z62gZHHtg >

I finally got a 5x5 and occasionally get into a situation where the whole cube is solved except one of the edge pieces has the middle cubie flipped. I've seen this on a 4x4, but didn't think the 5x5 had parity issues. Once I get into this state I have a hard time fixing it without messing up the cube and starting over. What am I doing wrong? Thanks.

ok not sure what to do :). some people saying lube it some say leave it alone :P. anyone have a strong opinion either way? im not sure what i should do. jeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Once I lubricated it, I actually had no more problems with center > pieces. ;) > > -Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Corwin" <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > Okay, im no expert at the 4x4, but DO NOT lubricate it. I lubricated > > my 4x4 and it started poping like crazy. On the first session that i > > speedcubed with it, a centerpeice snapped. > > > > > > -Corwin Shiu > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got > the > > > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great > service). i do > > > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed > either. > > > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces together. > no i > > > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right away, > or > > > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it would > help > > > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the > feet to > > > the centers. let me know what you think. > > > > > > thanks, > > > jeff > > > > > >

> And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there.

My 4x4 was very stiff before I lubed it. Afterwards it turns very smoothly, but I have to be a bit more careful with it when turning or I'll get pops. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > ok not sure what to do :). some people saying lube it some say leave > it alone :P. anyone have a strong opinion either way? im not sure > what i should do. > > jeff > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > Once I lubricated it, I actually had no more problems with center > > pieces. ;) > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > "Corwin" <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, im no expert at the 4x4, but DO NOT lubricate it. I > lubricated > > > my 4x4 and it started poping like crazy. On the first session > that i > > > speedcubed with it, a centerpeice snapped. > > > > > > > > > -Corwin Shiu > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got > > the > > > > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great > > service). i do > > > > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed > > either. > > > > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces > together. > > no i > > > > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right > away, > > or > > > > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it > would > > help > > > > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the > > feet to > > > > the centers. let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > >

Arnaud, I think have fixed your problem. That was only for the moderator group I believe, but it should be fixed now. Sorry about that. Per, here is the forgot password link: http://www.speedsolving.com/login.php?do=lostpw Enter in your email and it will send you information about your login info. If I remember right, your username was "Per". Let me know if you still need help. You can email me directly at pjkcards <at> gmail <dot> com . Pat On 7/11/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > And where is the forgotten username feature ? :-P I'm serious, i > haven't used that forum for quite some time and i had a user already. > Once i get the username i will change/reset my password. Thanx! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "avgalen" > <avgalen@...> wrote: > > > > I cannot send you a PM. Actually, I can't do anything. > > > > [screendump] > > vBulletin Message > > You have been banned for the following reason: > > No reason was specified. > > > > Date the ban will be lifted: Never > > [/screendump] > > > > I thought we were friends :) > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > From: "pjkalamosa" <pjkcards@...> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:53 AM > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Rubiks.has.it forum moved > > > > > > Hello all, > > > I have finally finished moving the forum. The mass email > feature is > > > currently being updated to all the new imported members, so that > isn't > > > working just yet. The new domain is http://www.speedsolving.com . > > > Please change your bookmarks and visit that link from now on. I > will > > > have rubiks.has.it forward to the new domain soon, but please > utilize > > > the speedsolving.com domain from this point forward. First things > > > first, please check out this thread and read through it: > > > http://www.speedsolving.com/showthread.php?p=10664#post10664 > > > > > > If you have any problems, please send me a PM here: > > > http://www.speedsolving.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=1 > > > > > > I apologize for the long downtime, it took me sometime to create > all > > > the tables and import all the new data. However, it is back up > and > > > running now, and I hope you enjoy it. > > > > > > Forum URL: http://www.speedsolving.com > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My password was also lost in the process. But it is alright now. :-) Nice new interface. Gilles 2007/7/11, Pat (PJK) <pjkcards@...>: > > Arnaud, I think have fixed your problem. That was only for the moderator > group I believe, but it should be fixed now. Sorry about that. > > Per, here is the forgot password link: > http://www.speedsolving.com/login.php?do=lostpw > Enter in your email and it will send you information about your login > info. > If I remember right, your username was "Per". Let me know if you still > need > help. You can email me directly at pjkcards <at> gmail <dot> com . > > Pat > > On 7/11/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...<aspiring_to_love%40yahoo.no>> > wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > And where is the forgotten username feature ? :-P I'm serious, i > > haven't used that forum for quite some time and i had a user already. > > Once i get the username i will change/reset my password. Thanx! > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "avgalen" > > <avgalen@...> wrote: > > > > > > I cannot send you a PM. Actually, I can't do anything. > > > > > > [screendump] > > > vBulletin Message > > > You have been banned for the following reason: > > > No reason was specified. > > > > > > Date the ban will be lifted: Never > > > [/screendump] > > > > > > I thought we were friends :) > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > From: "pjkalamosa" <pjkcards@...> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:53 AM > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Rubiks.has.it <http://rubiks.has.it/>forum moved > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have finally finished moving the forum. The mass email > > feature is > > > > currently being updated to all the new imported members, so that > > isn't > > > > working just yet. The new domain is http://www.speedsolving.com . > > > > Please change your bookmarks and visit that link from now on. I > > will > > > > have rubiks.has.it forward to the new domain soon, but please > > utilize > > > > the speedsolving.com domain from this point forward. First things > > > > first, please check out this thread and read through it: > > > > http://www.speedsolving.com/showthread.php?p=10664#post10664 > > > > > > > > If you have any problems, please send me a PM here: > > > > http://www.speedsolving.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=1 > > > > > > > > I apologize for the long downtime, it took me sometime to create > > all > > > > the tables and import all the new data. However, it is back up > > and > > > > running now, and I hope you enjoy it. > > > > > > > > Forum URL: http://www.speedsolving.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I thought I knew something about cubes! I feel like the bear (or wolf) on the droopy/chilly cartoons. my jaw dragging the floor. how on earth is it possible to work a cube so dang fast! anyway, I've gathered there is a lot to know that i don't! like whats the "other than Rubik" manufacturers that make various cubes/(functional puzzles) I have several 3x cubes. only one is Rubik. the others are junkik. I think they where called "wonderful puzzler" I don't like them they don't turn well, and a PAC man one, a key ring and necklace (mini's) and a 2x that I took apart out of curiosity, and lost an inside center piece. (now it locks up when you turn it) I own a 4x that broke a week after i got it. actually it was the 2nd one. I pitched the first one after it broke (mistake, or i could fix this one). it was the center pieces that would break. I own a "Mefferts" 4x and 5x. never had them break, but have had tiles come unglued. (lost a blue one on the 4x )(yes I can solve) I own two "alexanders star's", one "missing link", "magic I" and "Magic II",a 3x "ball", and a similar "rubiks globe/world" and some I dont know what they are I own tons of others also as I collected every functional puzzle I could get my hands on. even so, I Know of many I still dont have. any newby info about who makes what,whats good/ what to avoid/ would be apreceated. thanks segnet

wow, alot to respond to. i dont know half of your questions or what to tell you, since i am a bit new myself too. eastsheen is another major manufacturer of cubes. there are tons of websites giving tutorials, selling cubes, selling parts, giving instructions, etc. google is your friend. also, if your 4x4 that broke is a rubik's you can buy replacement pieces at www.cubesmith.com. a center broke for me and i recently bought a replacement center. so next time dont throw it away ;) just buy a replacement peice :). i use cubesmith for all my replacement stickers, etc. its a very good site, offers a lot of good items, service is great, products are geat. just some info from another cubing amateur... there are some amazing cubers here that i'm sure will give a lot better info :) but thats my 2 cents. jeff

THX Jeff, I feel like a real dweeb for throwing it out, but that was years ago when they just hit the market. I was a lot more stupid then HAHA! I know i didnt line out many questions. knowing how to ask them is one issue. Im sure i will pick up on some venacular by reading other postings. then i will be able to ask intelegently sounding Q:'s Segnet --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > wow, alot to respond to. i dont know half of your questions or what to > tell you, since i am a bit new myself too. eastsheen is another major > manufacturer of cubes. there are tons of websites giving tutorials, > selling cubes, selling parts, giving instructions, etc. google is your > friend. > > also, if your 4x4 that broke is a rubik's you can buy replacement > pieces at www.cubesmith.com. a center broke for me and i recently > bought a replacement center. so next time dont throw it away ;) just > buy a replacement peice :). > > i use cubesmith for all my replacement stickers, etc. its a very good > site, offers a lot of good items, service is great, products are geat. > > just some info from another cubing amateur... there are some amazing > cubers here that i'm sure will give a lot better info :) but thats my 2 > cents. > > jeff >

Are you sure it as you describe? Perhaps I am going to make a fool of myself, but I think that position is impossible. If you solve as much as possible you will see that it's not in fact the middle cubie of the tredge that is flipped, but it's actually the two outer edges which are flipped. This is the only parity which occurs on the 5x5x5, and you can fix it using a standard 4x4x4 OLL parity fix, and ignore the middle layer. DanH :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "dwarmaj" <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: > > I finally got a 5x5 and occasionally get into a situation where the > whole cube is solved except one of the edge pieces has the middle cubie > flipped. > > I've seen this on a 4x4, but didn't think the 5x5 had parity issues. > Once I get into this state I have a hard time fixing it without messing > up the cube and starting over. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks. >

I think he's saying everything's paired up, except one tredge, which has the two wings swapped, giving the impression of having the central flipped. In that case, you would use the 4x4 "OLL Parity" alg. Many use r2 B2 U2 l U2 r' U2 r U2 F2 r F2 l' B2 r2. Also, you can use the "sloppy" version, which is the same alg, but with double layer turns instead of slices on the l's and r's. it will swap the UL and UR tredges and swap and rotate URF and ULF. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Are you sure it as you describe? Perhaps I am going to make a fool of > myself, but I think that position is impossible. If you solve as much > as possible you will see that it's not in fact the middle cubie of the > tredge that is flipped, but it's actually the two outer edges which > are flipped. > > This is the only parity which occurs on the 5x5x5, and you can fix it > using a standard 4x4x4 OLL parity fix, and ignore the middle layer. > > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "dwarmaj" <Dwarmaj@> > wrote: > > > > I finally got a 5x5 and occasionally get into a situation where the > > whole cube is solved except one of the edge pieces has the middle cubie > > flipped. > > > > I've seen this on a 4x4, but didn't think the 5x5 had parity issues. > > Once I get into this state I have a hard time fixing it without messing > > up the cube and starting over. > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > Thanks. > > >

Thanks guys, I'll give that a try when I get home. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bladez740" <blade740@...> wrote: > > I think he's saying everything's paired up, except one tredge, which > has the two wings swapped, giving the impression of having the central > flipped. > > In that case, you would use the 4x4 "OLL Parity" alg. Many use r2 B2 > U2 l U2 r' U2 r U2 F2 r F2 l' B2 r2. > > Also, you can use the "sloppy" version, which is the same alg, but > with double layer turns instead of slices on the l's and r's. it will > swap the UL and UR tredges and swap and rotate URF and ULF. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" > <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > > Are you sure it as you describe? Perhaps I am going to make a fool of > > myself, but I think that position is impossible. If you solve as much > > as possible you will see that it's not in fact the middle cubie of the > > tredge that is flipped, but it's actually the two outer edges which > > are flipped. > > > > This is the only parity which occurs on the 5x5x5, and you can fix it > > using a standard 4x4x4 OLL parity fix, and ignore the middle layer. > > > > DanH :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "dwarmaj" <Dwarmaj@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I finally got a 5x5 and occasionally get into a situation where the > > > whole cube is solved except one of the edge pieces has the middle > cubie > > > flipped. > > > > > > I've seen this on a 4x4, but didn't think the 5x5 had parity issues. > > > Once I get into this state I have a hard time fixing it without > messing > > > up the cube and starting over. > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >

Did you think the time dilation thing was a joke? Lars ;) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > I don't know why, but Lars' second video is hilarious > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "striderxo" > <striderxo@> wrote: > > > > I can finally watch the Pochmann Pops! :d > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dzoan" > > <gvdlfs3@> wrote: > > > > > > I finally uploaded all the videos from the US Open final round. That > > > was the only round I had anything recorded and Chris Pelley did all > > > the recording. Thanks to him and I hope at least some of you are > > > interested in watching them. > > > > > > Brittany Dzoan > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dE3ltt_i4 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBeVmDzhhw > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUTQe6wnTY > > > > > > Chris Dzoan > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_JBrj5_p8 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cQsgYzWkQ > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEosjh5uhI > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJWtwOuUlz4 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCKI8a4Gmpg > > > > > > Dan Dzoan > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8afB9uXC6Ws > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2uKD6N829w > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvdkFl3V6A > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvy9qzuYRw > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIEo-Xsdaw > > > > > > Jason Baum > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EnCCfpWd0 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1kKy7LZ89A > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nPo714I8HQ > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILc2ssmkMM > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWTSrzuCOQ > > > > > > Lars Vandenbergh > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHb-gQlzwpc > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKEAVC6HQo > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejukqg2Ufwg > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u530ib--HjQ > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtKUKi64g0 > > > > > > Leyan Lo > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeDrF_WPdo > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie36eqmVAJc > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhVhK-pVxY > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7aquT47his > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptQcKepXKs > > > > > > Matt Walter > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87Q8fvPAIU > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsA_MPmlnQ > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyBF-9lGRg > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxdR62KBlU > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyWyjvm04zs > > > > > > Mike Stewart > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVnU7RX78o > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkRXt-yWU8 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwu_9GGEIo > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvz44TfIpRA > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_-kVsO5xI > > > > > > Mitchell Stern > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnCOZDgEXos > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpeqdb-svg > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHpfeaMH_XI > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUhcvpDlNY > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XBW3V8K0E > > > > > > Ryan Patricio > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_l2Qk-ZAI8 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2D_kSY6Q4A > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_wOuaQ2p4 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDDgWuIjQLA > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8qZRwmQcU > > > > > > Stefan Pochmann > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3czsxIIZo > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-X20CW0T4o > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSUwNYOxg4 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unII3NXBIII > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvkjhTTsFM > > > > > > Toby Mao > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Oj1XpY_MA > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEUtkQtOCoQ > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4z62gZHHtg > > > > > >

HAHAHA of course! :) I had forgotten all about that. You are the master. Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Lars Vandenbergh" <lars.vandenbergh@...> wrote: > > Did you think the time dilation thing was a joke? > > Lars ;) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > > I don't know why, but Lars' second video is hilarious > > > > Dan :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "striderxo" > > <striderxo@> wrote: > > > > > > I can finally watch the Pochmann Pops! :d > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dzoan" > > > <gvdlfs3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I finally uploaded all the videos from the US Open final round. That > > > > was the only round I had anything recorded and Chris Pelley did all > > > > the recording. Thanks to him and I hope at least some of you are > > > > interested in watching them. > > > > > > > > Brittany Dzoan > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dE3ltt_i4 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBeVmDzhhw > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnrxxmaJ80 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUTQe6wnTY > > > > > > > > Chris Dzoan > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_JBrj5_p8 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cQsgYzWkQ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEosjh5uhI > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJWtwOuUlz4 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCKI8a4Gmpg > > > > > > > > Dan Dzoan > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8afB9uXC6Ws > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2uKD6N829w > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvdkFl3V6A > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvy9qzuYRw > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIEo-Xsdaw > > > > > > > > Jason Baum > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EnCCfpWd0 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1kKy7LZ89A > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nPo714I8HQ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILc2ssmkMM > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWTSrzuCOQ > > > > > > > > Lars Vandenbergh > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHb-gQlzwpc > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKEAVC6HQo > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejukqg2Ufwg > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u530ib--HjQ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtKUKi64g0 > > > > > > > > Leyan Lo > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeDrF_WPdo > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie36eqmVAJc > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhVhK-pVxY > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7aquT47his > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptQcKepXKs > > > > > > > > Matt Walter > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87Q8fvPAIU > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsA_MPmlnQ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyBF-9lGRg > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxdR62KBlU > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyWyjvm04zs > > > > > > > > Mike Stewart > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVnU7RX78o > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkRXt-yWU8 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwu_9GGEIo > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvz44TfIpRA > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_-kVsO5xI > > > > > > > > Mitchell Stern > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnCOZDgEXos > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpeqdb-svg > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHpfeaMH_XI > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUhcvpDlNY > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XBW3V8K0E > > > > > > > > Ryan Patricio > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_l2Qk-ZAI8 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2D_kSY6Q4A > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_wOuaQ2p4 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDDgWuIjQLA > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8qZRwmQcU > > > > > > > > Stefan Pochmann > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3czsxIIZo > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-X20CW0T4o > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSUwNYOxg4 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unII3NXBIII > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvkjhTTsFM > > > > > > > > Toby Mao > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Oj1XpY_MA > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEUtkQtOCoQ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23lZVigVPR4 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4z62gZHHtg > > > > > > > > > >

I've noticed a notation using what looks like roman hieroglyphics combined with something from a nightmare I had before a major calc. exam! what is this called, where can I learn it? I'm a very "visual" person, so i don't know how good i will be using a symbolic notation method, but am willing to learn it at least enough to interpret the strange cube-n-eeze I've been reading here. Segnet

I don't understand your argument. > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > these times can be achieved on. Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a fast cuber and have a loose cube. Michael Fung --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" <mzrg@...> wrote: > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. >

Hi guys, For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 minutes. Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of the outer edges. Check out http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is enough). The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for that version they already made the inner parts smaller. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records I don't understand your argument. > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > these times can be achieved on. Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a fast cuber and have a loose cube. Michael Fung --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" <mzrg@...> wrote: > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. >

> For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 minutes. > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of the > outer edges. Check out > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is enough). > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > Have fun, > > Ron Well, if such a truly simple modification will have such an effect, then I stand corrected. Perhaps I can breathe new life into my rather old Rubik's 5x5x5 and make it better than my competition cube. Thank you, Michael Gottlieb

do you mean like F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2? that refers to what side you turn and how many time you turn it in what direction. If you have a cube close pick it up and i will try to explain. Hold it so that 1 face is facing you directly. the face you are looking directly at is called F. The face on the opposite side of the cube is B. The side on the right of the cube is R, and the side on the left is L. The side on top is called U, and the bottom D. here is a sideways view of what i attempted to explain. maybe this works better for you. yes i accidentally uploaded a 2x2 picture, but it gives the same concept. http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1189/cubexo9.png The 2s and 's represent which way you turn the specified side, and how many times you turn it. Lets use U2 for an example. U2 means you turn the top face 2 time. you will never see U'2 or U2', because no matter which way you turn the top face 2 time, it will always end up the same way. The ' mark represents a counter-clockwise turn. R' would a be a turn of the R face counter clockwise (toward you). A regular R turn would be turning the R face clockwise (away from you). We will put several of these marks together to create what is called as an algorithm which does certain things to certain pieces on the cube. For exapmle, the algorithm written at the top of this post is the PLL (Permutation Last Layer) counter-clockwise 3-edge swap. Now on to 4x4 and 5x5. The have more able turns, but yet the same number of faces. for example, on the 4x4 you can turn the face just inside the R face. This is called the r face. The face just inside the L face is called the l face. The face just below the U face is called the u face, and so on. The 2 and ' rules still apply for these faces too. Note: the typical u turn does NOT mean turn the U face and the u face together, but only the u face. This page helps desribe the 4x4 notation a bit better, and has pretty pictures. http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-presolution.html (thanks to Chris Hardwick for his wonderful site). phew, well i hope this helped a little bit, and that notation was what you were talking about. If not i wasted my time, but anyone is allowed to copy this and use this as a tutorial for free :) jeff - if there is anything else you need help with i'm glad to help :D --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I've noticed a notation using what looks like roman hieroglyphics > combined with something from a nightmare I had before a major calc. > exam! > > what is this called, where can I learn it? > > I'm a very "visual" person, so i don't know how good i will be using a > symbolic notation method, but am willing to learn it at least enough to > interpret the strange cube-n-eeze I've been reading here. > > Segnet >

WHats the high score for light speed? I got a 57 the first day, and 69 the second day. I got a 167 today. I think that the game gets faster but then eventually hits a limit to how much time you have. So you should be able to go as high as you want. Or 999. Has anybody hit 300? THanks Jk

Hi, I would like to know where i could buy rubik's cube arxon version with the logo on it and the blind mans cube. -thanx

Perhaps this is a silly question, but is there any notation for the center row? like on the 3x, and 5x? and also, why are some moves (in brackets) ? Segnet jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: do you mean like F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2? that refers to what side you turn and how many time you turn it in what direction. If you have a cube close pick it up and i will try to explain. Hold it so that 1 face is facing you directly. the face you are looking directly at is called F. The face on the opposite side of the cube is B. The side on the right of the cube is R, and the side on the left is L. The side on top is called U, and the bottom D. here is a sideways view of what i attempted to explain. maybe this works better for you. yes i accidentally uploaded a 2x2 picture, but it gives the same concept. http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1189/cubexo9.png The 2s and 's represent which way you turn the specified side, and how many times you turn it. Lets use U2 for an example. U2 means you turn the top face 2 time. you will never see U'2 or U2', because no matter which way you turn the top face 2 time, it will always end up the same way. The ' mark represents a counter-clockwise turn. R' would a be a turn of the R face counter clockwise (toward you). A regular R turn would be turning the R face clockwise (away from you). We will put several of these marks together to create what is called as an algorithm which does certain things to certain pieces on the cube. For exapmle, the algorithm written at the top of this post is the PLL (Permutation Last Layer) counter-clockwise 3-edge swap. Now on to 4x4 and 5x5. The have more able turns, but yet the same number of faces. for example, on the 4x4 you can turn the face just inside the R face. This is called the r face. The face just inside the L face is called the l face. The face just below the U face is called the u face, and so on. The 2 and ' rules still apply for these faces too. Note: the typical u turn does NOT mean turn the U face and the u face together, but only the u face. This page helps desribe the 4x4 notation a bit better, and has pretty pictures. http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-presolution.html (thanks to Chris Hardwick for his wonderful site). phew, well i hope this helped a little bit, and that notation was what you were talking about. If not i wasted my time, but anyone is allowed to copy this and use this as a tutorial for free :) jeff - if there is anything else you need help with i'm glad to help :D --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I've noticed a notation using what looks like roman hieroglyphics > combined with something from a nightmare I had before a major calc. > exam! > > what is this called, where can I learn it? > > I'm a very "visual" person, so i don't know how good i will be using a > symbolic notation method, but am willing to learn it at least enough to > interpret the strange cube-n-eeze I've been reading here. > > Segnet > --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: The 2s and 's represent which way you turn the specified side, and how many times you turn it. Lets use U2 for an example. U2 means you turn the top face 2 time. you will never see U'2 or U2', because no matter which way you turn the top face 2 time, it will always end up the same way. That's not true...I don't know if it's "official" or not, but (at least) I use R2' to mean turning R layer a half turn in anti-clockwise direction...it's useful for finger tricks and triggers showing Pedro --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

to Pedro: yes, you can use R2' for finger tricks, but are not written out in "official" algs, as R2 can be done 2 different ways. It is up to the cuber on how they wish to perform that move. R2 can be performed as R2 or R2', but universal notation is still written as R2 no matter which direction the cuber decides to turn it. But you bring a good point that algs can be interpretted in whichever way each cuber sees best. to Segnet: here we go again :) with the basic knowledge from my other post, this should be easier to explain. I don't know the "official" move for the middle "face". Here is what i use, and what i see most often. There are 3 middle moves. middle vertical, middle horizontal, and middle "flat" (couldn't find another word for it...). (there are 3 middles because there are 3 dimensions) The first two middles are easily explained. the first is the middle in between the R and L faces. It can be turned up and down. this is called MR. it takes on all the properties of the R face just 1 column to the left (the middle column). so if it is MR' you pull MR down. If it is just MR the you push MR up. counter-clockwise MR (MR') is the same movement as R' just on the MR face instead of the R face. I think you get it. The next middle is the MU face. It is inbetween U and D. Same as before, the MU takes on the same properties as the U face. MU' is turned like U' just on the MU face (same direction). the move MU you would push the MU face from right to left. The last middle is hardest to understand in my opinion. It is inbetween F and B. it is called MF and takes on the properties of U. instead of being able to see it change on the F face, it is now hidden behind it, and you need to tilt the cube to see it. here is a MF' turn: http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4558/cube2rr9.jpg. Now to the ()s. They are simply used in algs to place moves together to be used in finger tricks without moving the cube. (R U R') is an easy one. try doing that in one fluent move. That's pretty much. you can learn more about finger tricks on google :D -i'm probably wrong on something in here so someone correct me. jeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > That's not true...I don't know if it's "official" or not, but (at least) I use R2' to mean turning R layer a half turn in anti- clockwise direction...it's useful for finger tricks and triggers showing > > Pedro

Bob Burton has a good notation page. Heres the link: http://www.cubewhiz.com/notation.html -Corwin Shiu --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I've noticed a notation using what looks like roman hieroglyphics > combined with something from a nightmare I had before a major calc. > exam! > > what is this called, where can I learn it? > > I'm a very "visual" person, so i don't know how good i will be using a > symbolic notation method, but am willing to learn it at least enough to > interpret the strange cube-n-eeze I've been reading here. > > Segnet >

In my algorithms I always write n2' when the side n is turned anti-clockwise (in the way I perform the alg). This way you can show the more inexperienced cuber exactly how to do it. I know it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing, and it is just as useful as bracketing moves to show finger trick sequences. I don't really know what you mean by "official" algorithms, perhaps official scrambling algorithms don't use this but they don't really count :) Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > to Pedro: > yes, you can use R2' for finger tricks, but are not written out > in "official" algs, as R2 can be done 2 different ways. It is up to > the cuber on how they wish to perform that move. R2 can be performed > as R2 or R2', but universal notation is still written as R2 no matter > which direction the cuber decides to turn it. But you bring a good > point that algs can be interpretted in whichever way each cuber sees > best. >

Hi Ron, That diagram is awful. But I do half agree with you, by making some cuts with the knife (48 in total) to the wing edges you can make the cube much nicer for speedcubing with not much effort, but I don't personally think it would always go from being new to a <2 min speedcube immediately. However, I've only ever had one 5x5x5, and I've had it for getting on for 4 years, and it's still a little stiff, even with a LOT of practice and cutting with a knife. Perhaps I should clean it inside :) Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 minutes. > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of the > outer edges. Check out > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is enough). > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > these times can be achieved on. > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > Michael Fung > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > >

Off course a good cube helps and Rubiks 5x5x5 are known to be "unusable hard to turn" out of the box BUT: http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?allResults=All+Results&competitionId=USOpen2007#555 2 Jonathan Choi 2:17.41 2:24.10 USA 2:24.32 2:17.41 2:30.07 2:40.08 2:17.91 He is a 30 seconds 3x3x3 solver that did this solves on a new EastSheen -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:21 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > Hi Ron, > > That diagram is awful. But I do half agree with you, by making some > cuts with the knife (48 in total) to the wing edges you can make the > cube much nicer for speedcubing with not much effort, but I don't > personally think it would always go from being new to a <2 min > speedcube immediately. However, I've only ever had one 5x5x5, and I've > had it for getting on for 4 years, and it's still a little stiff, even > with a LOT of practice and cutting with a knife. Perhaps I should > clean it inside :) > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > <ron@...> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > minutes. > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side > of the > > outer edges. Check out > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > (red part > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > enough). > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because > for > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > Michael Fung > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" > > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > >

But that's the nature of an eastsheen cube right? I lately got a new one and 5 solves later I had my first sub-2 on it already, and I didn't even lube it yet. It's about the rubik's brand ones that are so stiff ;) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Off course a good cube helps and Rubiks 5x5x5 are known to be "unusable hard > to turn" out of the box BUT: > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?allResults=All+Results&competitionId=USOpen2007#555 > > 2 Jonathan Choi 2:17.41 2:24.10 USA 2:24.32 2:17.41 > 2:30.07 2:40.08 2:17.91 > > He is a 30 seconds 3x3x3 solver that did this solves on a new EastSheen > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:21 AM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > That diagram is awful. But I do half agree with you, by making some > > cuts with the knife (48 in total) to the wing edges you can make the > > cube much nicer for speedcubing with not much effort, but I don't > > personally think it would always go from being new to a <2 min > > speedcube immediately. However, I've only ever had one 5x5x5, and I've > > had it for getting on for 4 years, and it's still a little stiff, even > > with a LOT of practice and cutting with a knife. Perhaps I should > > clean it inside :) > > > > Dan :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > > <ron@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > > minutes. > > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side > > of the > > > outer edges. Check out > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > > (red part > > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > > enough). > > > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because > > for > > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@> > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > > > Michael Fung > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" > > > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > >

I don't want to get too much off topic, but I'm wondering if I should get a completely new Eastsheen for speedcubing. I think my old one has recently gone past its useful life as a speedcube... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > But that's the nature of an eastsheen cube right? I lately got a new > one and 5 solves later I had my first sub-2 on it already, and I > didn't even lube it yet. It's about the rubik's brand ones that are so > stiff ;)

The issue was the fairness of the competition (in relation to reaching a cut-off time). Eastsheen 5x5x5's are generally available (I bought a 4x4x4 with pictures in a bookstore in Chicago) and if a "30 seconds 3x3x3 solver" can get 2nd place with a new cube at a big tournament like the US Open, than I consider that prove enough that fairness is guaranteed. PS1. This topic has gone from a "congratulations on your WR"-topic to a "let's change the rules"-topic (my fault) to a fairness-topic (not my fault). If anyone wants to add to the "let's change the rules"-topic or to the fairness-topic, it might be better to start another topic. PS2. Congrats Jonathan, on your amazing 5x5x5 results! -------- Original Message -------- > From: "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:51 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > But that's the nature of an eastsheen cube right? I lately got a new > one and 5 solves later I had my first sub-2 on it already, and I > didn't even lube it yet. It's about the rubik's brand ones that are so > stiff ;) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@...> > wrote: > > > > Off course a good cube helps and Rubiks 5x5x5 are known to be > "unusable hard > > to turn" out of the box BUT: > > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?allResults=All+Results&competitionId=USOpen2007#555 > > > > 2 Jonathan Choi 2:17.41 2:24.10 USA 2:24.32 2:17.41 > > 2:30.07 2:40.08 2:17.91 > > > > He is a 30 seconds 3x3x3 solver that did this solves on a new EastSheen > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > From: "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:21 AM > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > That diagram is awful. But I do half agree with you, by making some > > > cuts with the knife (48 in total) to the wing edges you can make the > > > cube much nicer for speedcubing with not much effort, but I don't > > > personally think it would always go from being new to a <2 min > > > speedcube immediately. However, I've only ever had one 5x5x5, and I've > > > had it for getting on for 4 years, and it's still a little stiff, even > > > with a LOT of practice and cutting with a knife. Perhaps I should > > > clean it inside :) > > > > > > Dan :) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > > > <ron@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > > > minutes. > > > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side > > > of the > > > > outer edges. Check out > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > > > (red part > > > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > > > enough). > > > > > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because > > > for > > > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@> > > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you > want a > > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube > that > > > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn > fast > > > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more > likely > > > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, > apparently > > > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > > > > > Michael Fung > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" > > > > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it > is not > > > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that > times in the > > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you > want a > > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I > think that > > > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube > that these > > > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic > Cube, > > > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my > knowledge) > > > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the > world. > > > > > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 > in over > > > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider > loose and > > > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a > Rubik's > > > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a > loose > > > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > > > > >

I only bought the Revolution to put on my desk for display =P. Who ever heard of a Rubik's product that doesn't spin? IMO, stick with the classics. -Justin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, theoneicheck <no_reply@...> wrote: > > WHats the high score for light speed? > > I got a 57 the first day, and 69 the second day. > > I got a 167 today. > > I think that the game gets faster but then eventually hits a limit to > how much time you have. So you should be able to go as high as you > want. Or 999. > > Has anybody hit 300? > > THanks > > Jk >

Hi :-) A better image is available here: http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/Outer_edge_555_fit.jpg This is the image i sent to 7towns before they improved the 5x5x5 tooling :D Have fun!! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 minutes. > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of the > outer edges. Check out > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is enough). > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > these times can be achieved on. > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > Michael Fung > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > >

well by "official" i meant the most popular universal notation. there technicaly is no official notation (thats why official was in ""), it is rather whatever the author decides to write it as. Yes, R2' can be used, but it is not as popular to use as R2 that can be done either way. Notation can be done however each individual person wants to do it, since there is no right and wrong way, as long as you clearify how to perform each notated move. I was simply describing the most common notation. jeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > In my algorithms I always write n2' when the side n is turned > anti-clockwise (in the way I perform the alg). This way you can show > the more inexperienced cuber exactly how to do it. I know it's not > perfect, but it's better than nothing, and it is just as useful as > bracketing moves to show finger trick sequences. > > I don't really know what you mean by "official" algorithms, perhaps > official scrambling algorithms don't use this but they don't really > count :) > > Dan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > to Pedro: > > yes, you can use R2' for finger tricks, but are not written out > > in "official" algs, as R2 can be done 2 different ways. It is up to > > the cuber on how they wish to perform that move. R2 can be performed > > as R2 or R2', but universal notation is still written as R2 no matter > > which direction the cuber decides to turn it. But you bring a good > > point that algs can be interpretted in whichever way each cuber sees > > best. > > >

magic doesn't spin? umm sorry i don't have one of these i kinda want one but i am waiting for someone to just give me on XP but if i do get one i will try --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "popballard11" <popballard11@...> wrote: > > I only bought the Revolution to put on my desk for display =P. Who > ever heard of a Rubik's product that doesn't spin? > > IMO, stick with the classics. > > -Justin > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, theoneicheck > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > WHats the high score for light speed? > > > > I got a 57 the first day, and 69 the second day. > > > > I got a 167 today. > > > > I think that the game gets faster but then eventually hits a limit > to > > how much time you have. So you should be able to go as high as you > > want. Or 999. > > > > Has anybody hit 300? > > > > THanks > > > > Jk > > >

Sorry if this is a double post but wasnt I wasnt sure if the message got posted. Are the sunday contest scrambles up yet? If so can I have the link? If not when will they be up?

Are this weeks scrambles up yet? If so can I have the link? If not when will they be up?

That indeed look like a valuable refrence, only thing I saw that looked a bit confusing was on the whole cube rotations, only one picture leaves one to wonder how it looked before the move. also it would be great if it included 4x, and 5x notations Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Bob Burton has a good notation page. Heres the link: http://www.cubewhiz.com/notation.html -Corwin Shiu --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I've noticed a notation using what looks like roman hieroglyphics > combined with something from a nightmare I had before a major calc. > exam! > > what is this called, where can I learn it? > > I'm a very "visual" person, so i don't know how good i will be using a > symbolic notation method, but am willing to learn it at least enough to > interpret the strange cube-n-eeze I've been reading here. > > Segnet > --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OK I got it "official" in ""'s not, not in "",s and R U sure that MF is appropriate... I've seen it on some restroom walls U know LOL, but never with a ' but I have seen it in ""'s (note all use of R,U,M,F,",',),and ( ) has been completely rhetorical Dan <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: In my algorithms I always write n2' when the side n is turned anti-clockwise (in the way I perform the alg). This way you can show the more inexperienced cuber exactly how to do it. I know it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing, and it is just as useful as bracketing moves to show finger trick sequences. I don't really know what you mean by "official" algorithms, perhaps official scrambling algorithms don't use this but they don't really count :) Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > to Pedro: > yes, you can use R2' for finger tricks, but are not written out > in "official" algs, as R2 can be done 2 different ways. It is up to > the cuber on how they wish to perform that move. R2 can be performed > as R2 or R2', but universal notation is still written as R2 no matter > which direction the cuber decides to turn it. But you bring a good > point that algs can be interpretted in whichever way each cuber sees > best. > --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i made an extremely lazy notations page on bigcubes, www.bigcubes.com/notation.php Lester Segelhorst <segnet3745117@...> wrote: That indeed look like a valuable refrence, only thing I saw that looked a bit confusing was on the whole cube rotations, only one picture leaves one to wonder how it looked before the move. also it would be great if it included 4x, and 5x notations Corwin <aznspazboi@...> wrote: Bob Burton has a good notation page. Heres the link: http://www.cubewhiz.com/notation.html -Corwin Shiu --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I've noticed a notation using what looks like roman hieroglyphics > combined with something from a nightmare I had before a major calc. > exam! > > what is this called, where can I learn it? > > I'm a very "visual" person, so i don't know how good i will be using a > symbolic notation method, but am willing to learn it at least enough to > interpret the strange cube-n-eeze I've been reading here. > > Segnet > --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank a million! I feel a lot smarter now! I bet my hat wont fit anymore (haha) one note i need clarification on... the link to the image shack didn't work for me... I was taken to a login/sign-up screen. (didn't get to see the .jpg) do I need to be a member there to see it? (I've never used that service before) jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: to Pedro: yes, you can use R2' for finger tricks, but are not written out in "official" algs, as R2 can be done 2 different ways. It is up to the cuber on how they wish to perform that move. R2 can be performed as R2 or R2', but universal notation is still written as R2 no matter which direction the cuber decides to turn it. But you bring a good point that algs can be interpretted in whichever way each cuber sees best. to Segnet: here we go again :) with the basic knowledge from my other post, this should be easier to explain. I don't know the "official" move for the middle "face". Here is what i use, and what i see most often. There are 3 middle moves. middle vertical, middle horizontal, and middle "flat" (couldn't find another word for it...). (there are 3 middles because there are 3 dimensions) The first two middles are easily explained. the first is the middle in between the R and L faces. It can be turned up and down. this is called MR. it takes on all the properties of the R face just 1 column to the left (the middle column). so if it is MR' you pull MR down. If it is just MR the you push MR up. counter-clockwise MR (MR') is the same movement as R' just on the MR face instead of the R face. I think you get it. The next middle is the MU face. It is inbetween U and D. Same as before, the MU takes on the same properties as the U face. MU' is turned like U' just on the MU face (same direction). the move MU you would push the MU face from right to left. The last middle is hardest to understand in my opinion. It is inbetween F and B. it is called MF and takes on the properties of U. instead of being able to see it change on the F face, it is now hidden behind it, and you need to tilt the cube to see it. here is a MF' turn: http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4558/cube2rr9.jpg. Now to the ()s. They are simply used in algs to place moves together to be used in finger tricks without moving the cube. (R U R') is an easy one. try doing that in one fluent move. That's pretty much. you can learn more about finger tricks on google :D -i'm probably wrong on something in here so someone correct me. jeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > That's not true...I don't know if it's "official" or not, but (at least) I use R2' to mean turning R layer a half turn in anti- clockwise direction...it's useful for finger tricks and triggers showing > > Pedro --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

well, I took my meffert's 5x apart last night and dowsed each tiles edge with CA glue. I'm glad i took it apart to do this as I would most definitely have glued the cube into one massive block of resin. (not good) after all was dry, i went to re-assemble it. OMG! I thought i was never going to get it back together I ended up after a lot of work with 3 bottom rows together, and the two top rows 3/5th the way assembled so i had 3 complete rows bottom-up, and three complete rows back- forward. the rest was a big struggle that required some strategic manipulation to get the last middle edge piece in (MFU). then came the last of the center pieces, edge pieces RUf and LUf, and corners, and finally the last (rFU) and (lFU) edge pieces. everything's back together, and working great. now I wont have to worry about loseing the tiles. Segnet

nope, just the link did not work. try this one, i think i fixed it. http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4558/cube2rr9.jpg --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lester Segelhorst <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > Thank a million! I feel a lot smarter now! I bet my hat wont fit anymore (haha) > one note i need clarification on... > > the link to the image shack didn't work for me... > I was taken to a login/sign-up screen. (didn't get to see the .jpg) > do I need to be a member there to see it? > (I've never used that service before)

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/news/20070712p2g00m0dm021000c.html

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@...> wrote: > > http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/news/20070712p2g00m0dm021000c.html > Who wants to be the WCA delegate?

me ----- Original Message ---- From: Gilles Roux <grrroux@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:21:48 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Funny --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Ron" <ron@...> wrote: > > http://mdn.mainichi -msn.co.jp/ waiwai/news/ 20070712p2g00m0d m021000c. html > Who wants to be the WCA delegate? ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

check this out http://www.crovds.com/dxcw

http://www.wired.com/culture/art/multimedia/2007/07/etch_gallery?slide=6&slideView=2 That is pretty neat.

Thanks Arnaud! But I will have to disagree with you about the availability of the Eastsheen 5x5x5 cubes. I do not know of any seller on the North American continent other than opticubes.com of those cubes, since your example is of a 4x4x4 cube... And a little digression isn't necessarily bad. :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > The issue was the fairness of the competition (in relation to reaching a cut-off time). Eastsheen 5x5x5's are generally available (I bought a 4x4x4 with pictures in a bookstore in Chicago) and if a "30 seconds 3x3x3 solver" can get 2nd place with a new cube at a big tournament like the US Open, than I consider that prove enough that fairness is guaranteed. > > PS1. This topic has gone from a "congratulations on your WR"-topic to a "let's change the rules"-topic (my fault) to a fairness-topic (not my fault). If anyone wants to add to the "let's change the rules"-topic or to the fairness-topic, it might be better to start another topic. > > PS2. Congrats Jonathan, on your amazing 5x5x5 results! > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:51 PM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > But that's the nature of an eastsheen cube right? I lately got a new > > one and 5 solves later I had my first sub-2 on it already, and I > > didn't even lube it yet. It's about the rubik's brand ones that are so > > stiff ;) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Off course a good cube helps and Rubiks 5x5x5 are known to be > > "unusable hard > > > to turn" out of the box BUT: > > > > > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?allResults=All+Results&competitionId=USOpen2007#555 > > > > > > 2 Jonathan Choi 2:17.41 2:24.10 USA 2:24.32 2:17.41 > > > 2:30.07 2:40.08 2:17.91 > > > > > > He is a 30 seconds 3x3x3 solver that did this solves on a new EastSheen > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > From: "Dan" <dan_j_harris@> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:21 AM > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > > > That diagram is awful. But I do half agree with you, by making some > > > > cuts with the knife (48 in total) to the wing edges you can make the > > > > cube much nicer for speedcubing with not much effort, but I don't > > > > personally think it would always go from being new to a <2 min > > > > speedcube immediately. However, I've only ever had one 5x5x5, and I've > > > > had it for getting on for 4 years, and it's still a little stiff, even > > > > with a LOT of practice and cutting with a knife. Perhaps I should > > > > clean it inside :) > > > > > > > > Dan :) > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > > > > <ron@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > > > > minutes. > > > > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side > > > > of the > > > > > outer edges. Check out > > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > > > > (red part > > > > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > > > > enough). > > > > > > > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because > > > > for > > > > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@> > > > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > > > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you > > want a > > > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > > > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube > > that > > > > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > > > > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn > > fast > > > > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more > > likely > > > > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > > > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, > > apparently > > > > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > > > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > > > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Fung > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" > > > > > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it > > is not > > > > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that > > times in the > > > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you > > want a > > > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I > > think that > > > > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube > > that these > > > > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic > > Cube, > > > > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my > > knowledge) > > > > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 > > in over > > > > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider > > loose and > > > > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a > > Rubik's > > > > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a > > loose > > > > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Well, I'm a Petrus solver, but I was wondering about some of the jargon being tossed around here. So, what is a T-perm? I know it's an alg, just not what it does. =3 Cheers Alex

R (U R') U' (R' F) (R2 U') R' U' R (U R') F' Apply that to a solved cube. You'll see what it does. Apply it again and it'll solve it. The alg swaps two opposite edges and two opposite corners on the top layer, and it preserves orientation. On 7/10/07, Deranged Wibble/ Alex Chen <deranged.wibble@...> wrote: > > Well, I'm a Petrus solver, but I was wondering about some of the jargon > being tossed around here. So, what is a T-perm? I know it's an alg, just > not what it does. =3 > > Cheers > Alex > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Alexander J Goldberg wrote: > > R (U R') U' (R' F) (R2 U') R' U' R (U R') F' > > Apply that to a solved cube. You'll see what it does. > Apply it again and it'll solve it. > The alg swaps two opposite edges and two opposite corners on the top > layer, > and it preserves orientation. > > On 7/10/07, Deranged Wibble/ Alex Chen <deranged.wibble@... > <mailto:deranged.wibble%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Well, I'm a Petrus solver, but I was wondering about some of the jargon > > being tossed around here. So, what is a T-perm? I know it's an alg, just > > not what it does. =3 > > > > Cheers > > Alex > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Thanks! I see why it's a "T" perm. Hehe.

Alexander J Goldberg wrote: > The alg swaps two opposite edges and two opposite corners I think you mean two opposite edges and two adjacent corners. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

That's right Ryan; thanks for correcting me. On 7/12/07, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Alexander J Goldberg wrote: > > > The alg swaps two opposite edges and two opposite corners > > I think you mean two opposite edges and two adjacent corners. > > -- > Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 7/11/07, Deranged Wibble/ Alex Chen <deranged.wibble@...> wrote: > Thanks! I see why it's a "T" perm. Hehe. Here's a list of all the permute last layer algorithms and their letters: http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Mike/permute.html

Hey all so, for you who bought from cube4you/9spuzzles, I'd like to ask some things: they say that type a is better than c, that's better than b...is that right? and how are their stickers? any good? better than Rubik's? better than Cubesmith? another thing... for you who made a blind cube, how did you do it? which material did you use to make the different textures? thanks in advance Pedro --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi guys and gals, I am PJ age 36 from UK, I am not a total beginner nor am I an intermediate, I can solve a rubik cube in avg of 3 to 5 mins using a weird 3 stage 1-side then 2-side leading to 3 or 4 needed flipped edge solving. Found this group and Jasmine and Dan website and is under process of attempting to learn to speed cube. My question is this, is there an easy way to remember the algorithm involved leading to the 1st stage of cross and then the rest of the algorithm leading to 1st 2 layers to Last layer to solved cube? All them letters and all the methods of leading to solved cube is like mind boggling! I know practise make you perfect and faster, but watching these guys in action and solving the cubes in under 30 secods is fast and yet they don't seems to be noticing where the colours edges are, they just pound away from scrambled to solved. IS there a 1 way non colour oriented solution from scrambled to solved without the need of knowing where the colours are? Thanks, PJ

Hey PJ, The memory part, only you can find your best way of learning. For me, repetition is best. That way it becomes muscle memory and i don't have to think. Not thinking allows me to look ahead for pieces; so i can do the algorithm right away. You repeat this, so you *almost* never stop during the solve. Thats what i think your perceiving when you are watching those sub 30 solves. So no method where you don't need to know where the pieces are. Corwin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJ" <a10_wolf@...> wrote: > > Hi guys and gals, > > I am PJ age 36 from UK, I am not a total beginner nor am I an > intermediate, I can solve a rubik cube in avg of 3 to 5 mins using a > weird 3 stage 1-side then 2-side leading to 3 or 4 needed flipped > edge solving. > > Found this group and Jasmine and Dan website and is under process of > attempting to learn to speed cube. My question is this, is there an > easy way to remember the algorithm involved leading to the 1st stage > of cross and then the rest of the algorithm leading to 1st 2 layers > to Last layer to solved cube? > > All them letters and all the methods of leading to solved cube is > like mind boggling! I know practise make you perfect and faster, but > watching these guys in action and solving the cubes in under 30 > secods is fast and yet they don't seems to be noticing where the > colours edges are, they just pound away from scrambled to solved. IS > there a 1 way non colour oriented solution from scrambled to solved > without the need of knowing where the colours are? > > Thanks, PJ >

Ok, so just tonight i was watching these guys in concert (on my tv) and i noticed that the lead singer has a rubik's cube tattoo on his arm. Does anyone know why he chose that? Can he solve it or anything? Just curious

Very cool, still hunting for a decent pic, but this is what I scrounged up on wikipedia "Jaret Reddick" entry: Jaret loves games, which is the inspiration for the tattoo sleeve on his right arm, which includes such things as a Rubik's cube, a Fisher-Price Chatter Telephone, jacks, Monopoly's Rich Uncle Pennybags, and Operation's Cavity Sam. -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" <richard16meyer@...> wrote: > > Ok, so just tonight i was watching these guys in concert (on my tv) > and i noticed that the lead singer has a rubik's cube tattoo on his > arm. Does anyone know why he chose that? Can he solve it or anything? > Just curious >

it depends on your preference but in general A>C>B but have a transparent cube that turn pretty well (type B) b and c are kinda like rubiks.com and A is kinda different (4 part screw as apposed to 3) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Hey all > > so, for you who bought from cube4you/9spuzzles, I'd like to ask some things: > > they say that type a is better than c, that's better than b...is that right? > and how are their stickers? any good? better than Rubik's? better than Cubesmith? > > another thing... > > for you who made a blind cube, how did you do it? which material did you use to make the different textures? > > thanks in advance > > Pedro > > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

>From what I saw, Adam Zamorra has two blind cubes. One has different shapes cut in plastic (circle, square, triangle, etc), and one has what looks like different sized metal pegs/nail heads. The nail heads idea actually sounds decent. Find five distinct shapes of screw/nail heads (make sure you can tell them apart by touch) and just nail/screw those into the pieces, cutting off excess, obviously. I'm not sure how he did it, but that's how I would. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "devin1891" <devin1891@...> wrote: > > it depends on your preference but in general A>C>B but have a > transparent cube that turn pretty well (type B) > > b and c are kinda like rubiks.com and A is kinda different (4 part > screw as apposed to 3) > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > wrote: > > > > Hey all > > > > so, for you who bought from cube4you/9spuzzles, I'd like to ask some > things: > > > > they say that type a is better than c, that's better than b...is > that right? > > and how are their stickers? any good? better than Rubik's? better > than Cubesmith? > > > > another thing... > > > > for you who made a blind cube, how did you do it? which material did > you use to make the different textures? > > > > thanks in advance > > > > Pedro > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Hey guys, I just broke my eastsheen 5x5x5 core. Cubesmith doesn't sell any, does anyone have a spare one he is willing to sell? F. ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks, Corwin. So down to repeating over and over and over again till it come natural. I guess the 1st 2 layers thing will take me some time to grasp! But at some point I do refer back to my old methods of solving which is confusing somewhat. Just need to get used to the 2 layer methods. My method of solving is this way (I try my best to describe the scrambled to solved moves) Stage 1 - 2 sets of moves, 1st bring all corners to correct oriented cubelet. 2nd bring any 3 edge cubelet leaving the 4th unsolved as this will be solved in Stage 2. Stage 2 - 2 sets of moves, 1st check corners r in correct position before rotating 3 corners at once. If no corners are in correct poition then do 2 corners swap till all corners are in correct position. 2nd bring in edges using unsolved as guide to slot in edhes for 2nd side, on the last edge may need to repeat to bring in 2 last (1 unsolved and 1 final edge) to complete 2 side - top/bottom or left/right or back/front. Stage 3 - 2 set of moves reposition edges in correct place and flip them to complete solved cube. My errors is once I got the cross and corners sorted I got the 2nd side corners sorted and therefore got me confused cos it an habit of doing 1 side then 2nd side! If you want me to write the moves out I could do once I get used to writing the moves ok and all the state you can find possible. Or does someone regconise this methods of cube solving? Been cubing on and off since late 80's but managed to do a complete cube solved in early 90's has used something like 3 cubes 1 my mum got from USA in the 80 (broken in pieces the screw to axis worn away the insides) brought another cube but non-offical and still have 1 to this date and works like a charm but not ideal for speed cubing so shall soon order one from Dan Harris site one day and try that. Thanks, PJ --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" <aznspazboi@...> wrote: > > Hey PJ, > > The memory part, only you can find your best way of learning. For me, > repetition is best. That way it becomes muscle memory and i don't have > to think. Not thinking allows me to look ahead for pieces; so i can do > the algorithm right away. You repeat this, so you *almost* never stop > during the solve. Thats what i think your perceiving when you are > watching those sub 30 solves. So no method where you don't need to > know where the pieces are. > > Corwin > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJ" <a10_wolf@> wrote: > > > > Hi guys and gals, > > > > I am PJ age 36 from UK, I am not a total beginner nor am I an > > intermediate, I can solve a rubik cube in avg of 3 to 5 mins using a > > weird 3 stage 1-side then 2-side leading to 3 or 4 needed flipped > > edge solving. > > > > Found this group and Jasmine and Dan website and is under process of > > attempting to learn to speed cube. My question is this, is there an > > easy way to remember the algorithm involved leading to the 1st stage > > of cross and then the rest of the algorithm leading to 1st 2 layers > > to Last layer to solved cube? > > > > All them letters and all the methods of leading to solved cube is > > like mind boggling! I know practise make you perfect and faster, but > > watching these guys in action and solving the cubes in under 30 > > secods is fast and yet they don't seems to be noticing where the > > colours edges are, they just pound away from scrambled to solved. IS > > there a 1 way non colour oriented solution from scrambled to solved > > without the need of knowing where the colours are? > > > > Thanks, PJ > > >

What do you mean with "4 part screw"? do you have a Rubik's DIY? how's it compared to the chinese ones? and what about the stickers? are they any good? thanks again Pedro devin1891 <devin1891@...> escreveu: it depends on your preference but in general A>C>B but have a transparent cube that turn pretty well (type B) b and c are kinda like rubiks.com and A is kinda different (4 part screw as apposed to 3) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Hey all > > so, for you who bought from cube4you/9spuzzles, I'd like to ask some things: > > they say that type a is better than c, that's better than b...is that right? > and how are their stickers? any good? better than Rubik's? better than Cubesmith? > > another thing... > > for you who made a blind cube, how did you do it? which material did you use to make the different textures? > > thanks in advance > > Pedro > > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ericdolphyfan" <ericdolphyfan@...> wrote: > > Are this weeks scrambles up yet? If so can I have the link? If not when > will they be up? > Scrambles are up. I need to fix the "due-date" though. http://www.nascarjon.us/sunday.htm

Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. The new world record is 54.83 seconds. Congrats! ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video?

Holy cow! if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) Pedro florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François Sechet <frsechet@...> wrote: > > Hey guys, > I just broke my eastsheen 5x5x5 core. Cubesmith doesn't sell any, does anyone have a spare one he is willing to sell? > F. > > yeah man u could have mine > just give me ur address and ill ship it > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! > Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi guys, His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. Some other results he had: 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. 59.xx average in 4x4 final. 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded Holy cow! if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) Pedro florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No suprise there.... he is amazing. Did he break the 4x4 BLD WR too? Congrats Matyas. On 7/14/07, Ron van Bruchem <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > Some other results he had: > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@yahoo.com.br <pedrosino1%40yahoo.com.br>> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > Holy cow! > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > Pedro > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com>> > escreveu: > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's the most amazing thing about Matyas. He's the best or among the best in almost every event. Most guys have to focus on a few events, but I guess it's just a matter of how much time you spend on serious cubing. I, myself, have just started cubing again after a nine-day visit at the Roskilde festival. I lost a little speed but not much. I'm hoping to get a sub-60 average for 4x4 before the WC07. /Gunnar Krig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > Some other results he had: > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > Holy cow! > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > Pedro > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi Gunnar :D Are you still using Eastsheen? A sub 60 avg with eastsheen is in my opinion a better achievement than sub 55 with rubiks/studio revenge :) Good luck!! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > That's the most amazing thing about Matyas. He's the best or among the > best in almost every event. Most guys have to focus on a few events, > but I guess it's just a matter of how much time you spend on serious > cubing. > > I, myself, have just started cubing again after a nine-day visit at > the Roskilde festival. I lost a little speed but not much. I'm hoping > to get a sub-60 average for 4x4 before the WC07. > > /Gunnar Krig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > <ron@> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > > Some other results he had: > > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > > > > Holy cow! > > > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > > > Pedro > > > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Hi Per! I switched to Rubik's 4x4 quite a while ago. My 57s competition time at German Open was made with a Rubik's version. I'm getting sub-60 single times quite often now. Around one or two out of 12 solves. I can still improve a lot, I think, especially on the 3x3-step. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi Gunnar :D > > Are you still using Eastsheen? A sub 60 avg with eastsheen is in my > opinion a better achievement than sub 55 with rubiks/studio revenge :) > > Good luck!! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" > <gunkr520@> wrote: > > > > That's the most amazing thing about Matyas. He's the best or among > the > > best in almost every event. Most guys have to focus on a few events, > > but I guess it's just a matter of how much time you spend on serious > > cubing. > > > > I, myself, have just started cubing again after a nine-day visit at > > the Roskilde festival. I lost a little speed but not much. I'm > hoping > > to get a sub-60 average for 4x4 before the WC07. > > > > /Gunnar Krig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > > <ron@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx > seconds. > > > Some other results he had: > > > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > > > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > > > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@> > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > > > > > > > Holy cow! > > > > > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > > > > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

He keeps on going. Today he broke following records: 4x4x4 blindfolded 5x5x5 blindfolded clock single solve clock average 2x2x2 single solve I think it's fair to say we have a favourite for lots of titles at WC in Budapest. :)

Hi there, I was wondering if there is a timer software / website which has a "multiplayer" feature. I want to solve the cube (real solving, no simulator) against others online. Is there something like that? If not.. I think it would be a nice idea as a programming project. I am thinking about a website, maybe with Java or something similar (operating system and browser independent!), where you can "host races" and where other clients could "join". Everybody who joined gets the same scramble (and maybe an image of the scrambled cube so he can see if he scrambled correctly), then the host starts the countdown and the timer. Afterwards, maybe a ranking (who was first and with what times, etc.) could be shown. What do you think about the idea? Flo

JNetCube has that feature there's an option called Network Timer, at the top...you can either host a server or connect to one...you just need your ip and a port how are your times? we could race sometime... Pedro florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Hi there, I was wondering if there is a timer software / website which has a "multiplayer" feature. I want to solve the cube (real solving, no simulator) against others online. Is there something like that? If not.. I think it would be a nice idea as a programming project. I am thinking about a website, maybe with Java or something similar (operating system and browser independent!), where you can "host races" and where other clients could "join". Everybody who joined gets the same scramble (and maybe an image of the scrambled cube so he can see if he scrambled correctly), then the host starts the countdown and the timer. Afterwards, maybe a ranking (who was first and with what times, etc.) could be shown. What do you think about the idea? Flo --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> JNetCube has that feature Hmm. But only for two players. I want more! :-) And webbased (and none of the clients should need to be the server, the webserver should do that job) Thanks anyway :-)

A great place to find information about various puzzles is Jaap's page. Go here: http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/ // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I thought I knew something about cubes! > I feel like the bear (or wolf) on the droopy/chilly cartoons. > my jaw dragging the floor. > > how on earth is it possible to work a cube so dang fast! > > anyway, I've gathered there is a lot to know that i don't! > > like whats the "other than Rubik" manufacturers that make various > cubes/(functional puzzles) > > I have several 3x cubes. only one is Rubik. the others are junkik. > I think they where called "wonderful puzzler" I don't like them they > don't turn well, and a PAC man one, a key ring and necklace (mini's) > > and a 2x that I took apart out of curiosity, and lost an inside > center piece. (now it locks up when you turn it) > > I own a 4x that broke a week after i got it. actually it was the 2nd > one. I pitched the first one after it broke (mistake, or i could fix > this one). it was the center pieces that would break. > > > I own a "Mefferts" 4x and 5x. never had them break, but have had > tiles come unglued. (lost a blue one on the 4x )(yes I can solve) > > I own two "alexanders star's", one "missing link", "magic I" > and "Magic II",a 3x "ball", and a similar "rubiks globe/world" and > some I dont know what they are > > I own tons of others also as I collected every functional puzzle I > could get my hands on. even so, I Know of many I still dont have. > > any newby info about who makes what,whats good/ what to avoid/ would > be apreceated. > > thanks > segnet >

Corwin is right. lubing it will make it pop, but you will have a good 4x4 speedcube. my advice: go ahead and lube it, but don't overdo it. lube the pieces like a regular 3x3, but DO NOT lube the center mechanism. dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: My 4x4 was very stiff before I lubed it. Afterwards it turns very smoothly, but I have to be a bit more careful with it when turning or I'll get pops. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > ok not sure what to do :). some people saying lube it some say leave > it alone :P. anyone have a strong opinion either way? im not sure > what i should do. > > jeff > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > Once I lubricated it, I actually had no more problems with center > > pieces. ;) > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > "Corwin" <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, im no expert at the 4x4, but DO NOT lubricate it. I > lubricated > > > my 4x4 and it started poping like crazy. On the first session > that i > > > speedcubed with it, a centerpeice snapped. > > > > > > > > > -Corwin Shiu > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just got > > the > > > > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great > > service). i do > > > > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed > > either. > > > > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces > together. > > no i > > > > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right > away, > > or > > > > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it > would > > help > > > > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the > > feet to > > > > the centers. let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i have had rubik;s diy and usually they either pop to much or aren't loose enough for me. and by 4 part i mean it has a screw, a spring, a small washer for the bottom side of the spring then a large washer for the top side. Where as most cubes have just a screw, a spring and a small watcher. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > What do you mean with "4 part screw"? do you have a Rubik's DIY? how's it compared to the chinese ones? > > and what about the stickers? are they any good? > > thanks again > > Pedro > > devin1891 <devin1891@...> escreveu: it depends on your preference but in general A>C>B but have a > transparent cube that turn pretty well (type B) > > b and c are kinda like rubiks.com and A is kinda different (4 part > screw as apposed to 3) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > wrote: > > > > Hey all > > > > so, for you who bought from cube4you/9spuzzles, I'd like to ask some > things: > > > > they say that type a is better than c, that's better than b...is > that right? > > and how are their stickers? any good? better than Rubik's? better > than Cubesmith? > > > > another thing... > > > > for you who made a blind cube, how did you do it? which material did > you use to make the different textures? > > > > thanks in advance > > > > Pedro > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi :-) Competing at home MAY be a small disadvantage though. But yes i admit i hold him as favorite for a few events at least ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cubewizzard" <cubewizzard@...> wrote: > > He keeps on going. > > Today he broke following records: > > 4x4x4 blindfolded > 5x5x5 blindfolded > clock single solve > clock average > 2x2x2 single solve > > > I think it's fair to say we have a favourite for lots of titles at WC > in Budapest. :) >

Uh you can race people in the Rubik's chat. type .3 for 3x3 scramble. http://www.freejavachat.com/chat.php?chan=Rubik Corwin Shiu --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, florianweingarten <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > JNetCube has that feature > > Hmm. But only for two players. I want more! :-) And webbased (and none > of the clients should need to be the server, the webserver should do > that job) > > Thanks anyway :-) >

Per and Ron I didn't really understand what you meant :P http://pjgat09.gotdns.com/old/P3110019.jpg there is a 5x5x5 edge picture...could you make an after/before comparison or maybe put arrows or something to show where I should modify them, please? I'm not a sub-2 solver (neither I see myself there soon), but I guess a better cube can just help my times :) thanks Pedro --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > A better image is available here: > > http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/Outer_edge_555_fit.jpg > > This is the image i sent to 7towns before they improved the 5x5x5 > tooling :D > > Have fun!! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > <ron@> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > minutes. > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner > side of the > > outer edges. Check out > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > (red part > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > enough). > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, > because for > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron

is any body wanting to sell/ give/ trade Rubik's/ Eastsheen/ anything like them puzzles? Rubiksguy --- speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com wrote: --------------------------------- Speed Solving Rubik's Cube - All about speed solving the Rubik's Cube Speed Solving Rubik's Cube - All about speed solving the Rubik's Cube Messages In This Digest (13 Messages) 1a. Re: cube4you/9spuzzles and blind cube From: Pedro 2.1. Re: Sunday Contest From: nascarjon2001 3. Re: No or Yes? From: jerome_best18 4a. New world record blindfolded From: Tobias Daneels 4b. Re: New world record blindfolded From: florianweingarten 4c. Re: New world record blindfolded From: Pedro 4d. Re: New world record blindfolded From: Ron van Bruchem 4e. Re: New world record blindfolded From: Pat (PJK) 4f. Re: New world record blindfolded From: Gunnar Krig 4g. Re: New world record blindfolded From: Per Kristen Fredlund 4h. Re: New world record blindfolded From: Gunnar Krig 5a. Re: eastsheen 5x5x5 core From: yoyoguy777 6. 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Re: cube4you/9spuzzles and blind cube Posted by: "Pedro" pedrosino1@... pedrosino1 Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:20 am (PST) What do you mean with "4 part screw"? do you have a Rubik's DIY? how's it compared to the chinese ones? and what about the stickers? are they any good? thanks again Pedro devin1891 <devin1891@...> escreveu: it depends on your preference but in general A>C>B but have a transparent cube that turn pretty well (type B) b and c are kinda like rubiks.com and A is kinda different (4 part screw as apposed to 3) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Hey all > > so, for you who bought from cube4you/9spuzzles, I'd like to ask some things: > > they say that type a is better than c, that's better than b...is that right? > and how are their stickers? any good? better than Rubik's? better than Cubesmith? > > another thing... > > for you who made a blind cube, how did you do it? which material did you use to make the different textures? > > thanks in advance > > Pedro > > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 2.1. Re: Sunday Contest Posted by: "nascarjon2001" no_reply@yahoogroups.com nascarjon2001 Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:33 am (PST) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ericdolphyfan" <ericdolphyfan@...> wrote: > > Are this weeks scrambles up yet? If so can I have the link? If not when > will they be up? > Scrambles are up. I need to fix the "due-date" though. http://www.nascarjon.us/sunday.htm Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (40) 3. Re: No or Yes? Posted by: "jerome_best18" jerome_best18@... jerome_best18 Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:44 am (PST) Hi Guyz! Yes, you people are right, freemegazone <http://www.freemegazone.com/> is an excellent site. I have found it fabulous indeed. For Paul, Stephen, and Jhon, thanks to you people telling me of this great site. You made my weekend excellent. [:)] OKz then, TC and Bye Jerome. I love freemegazone.com <http://www.freemegazone.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4a. New world record blindfolded Posted by: "Tobias Daneels" cubewizzard@... cubewizzard Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:50 am (PST) Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. The new world record is 54.83 seconds. Congrats! __________________________________________________________ D�couvrez une nouvelle fa�on d'obtenir des r�ponses � toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des exp�riences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/R�ponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4b. Re: New world record blindfolded Posted by: "florianweingarten" no_reply@yahoogroups.com florianweingarten Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:03 pm (PST) > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4c. Re: New world record blindfolded Posted by: "Pedro" pedrosino1@... pedrosino1 Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:05 pm (PST) Holy cow! if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) Pedro florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4d. Re: New world record blindfolded Posted by: "Ron van Bruchem" ron@... ilovemycube Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:58 pm (PST) Hi guys, His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. Some other results he had: 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. 59.xx average in 4x4 final. 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded Holy cow! if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) Pedro florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? --------------------------------- Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4e. Re: New world record blindfolded Posted by: "Pat (PJK)" pjkcards@... pjkalamosa Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:20 pm (PST) No suprise there.... he is amazing. Did he break the 4x4 BLD WR too? Congrats Matyas. On 7/14/07, Ron van Bruchem <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > Some other results he had: > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@... <pedrosino1%40yahoo.com.br>> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > Holy cow! > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > Pedro > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com>> > escreveu: > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4f. Re: New world record blindfolded Posted by: "Gunnar Krig" gunkr520@... gunkr520 Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:21 pm (PST) That's the most amazing thing about Matyas. He's the best or among the best in almost every event. Most guys have to focus on a few events, but I guess it's just a matter of how much time you spend on serious cubing. I, myself, have just started cubing again after a nine-day visit at the Roskilde festival. I lost a little speed but not much. I'm hoping to get a sub-60 average for 4x4 before the WC07. /Gunnar Krig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > Some other results he had: > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > Holy cow! > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > Pedro > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4g. Re: New world record blindfolded Posted by: "Per Kristen Fredlund" aspiring_to_love@... aspiring_to_love Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:11 am (PST) Hi Gunnar :D Are you still using Eastsheen? A sub 60 avg with eastsheen is in my opinion a better achievement than sub 55 with rubiks/studio revenge :) Good luck!! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > That's the most amazing thing about Matyas. He's the best or among the > best in almost every event. Most guys have to focus on a few events, > but I guess it's just a matter of how much time you spend on serious > cubing. > > I, myself, have just started cubing again after a nine-day visit at > the Roskilde festival. I lost a little speed but not much. I'm hoping > to get a sub-60 average for 4x4 before the WC07. > > /Gunnar Krig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > <ron@> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > > Some other results he had: > > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > > > > Holy cow! > > > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > > > Pedro > > > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Novo Yahoo! Cad�? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4h. Re: New world record blindfolded Posted by: "Gunnar Krig" gunkr520@... gunkr520 Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:21 am (PST) Hi Per! I switched to Rubik's 4x4 quite a while ago. My 57s competition time at German Open was made with a Rubik's version. I'm getting sub-60 single times quite often now. Around one or two out of 12 solves. I can still improve a lot, I think, especially on the 3x3-step. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi Gunnar :D > > Are you still using Eastsheen? A sub 60 avg with eastsheen is in my > opinion a better achievement than sub 55 with rubiks/studio revenge :) > > Good luck!! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" > <gunkr520@> wrote: > > > > That's the most amazing thing about Matyas. He's the best or among > the > > best in almost every event. Most guys have to focus on a few events, > > but I guess it's just a matter of how much time you spend on serious > > cubing. > > > > I, myself, have just started cubing again after a nine-day visit at > > the Roskilde festival. I lost a little speed but not much. I'm > hoping > > to get a sub-60 average for 4x4 before the WC07. > > > > /Gunnar Krig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > > <ron@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx > seconds. > > > Some other results he had: > > > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > > > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > > > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@> > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > > > > > > > Holy cow! > > > > > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > > > > > Wow, thats damn fast. 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Yeah, I meant a four cycle. Thanks guys! Brian Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: Hi :-) Yes i was a bit confused whether he meant 2 swaps or a 4-cycle. My suggestion replaces avgalens suggestion. The exact best solution will depend on what corners are acceptable to mess about with ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" <johannes.laire@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Well, (1 2 10 12) is a 4-cycle. I would first do (1 2 10) and then (1 > 12) together with 2 corners. > > -- > Johannes Laire > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > I'd guess > > > > L U' L' - (U2S2)*2 - L U L' or similar > > (S being of course the layer between F and B) > > > > would be much much faster?? > > > > Maybe this one is more bld friendly: > > F2 U B2 *H-perm* B2 U' F2 ?? > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > Setup Moves: R2 D' B2 > > > Alg: Z-Perm (R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' U2) > > > Undo Setup Moves: B2 D R2 > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > From: "Brian Le" <khoale1234567@> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:37 AM > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Blindcubing 3 cycle > > > > > > > > Pochmann's M2/R2 was too hard for me >.> (I know, I'm crazy) so I > > > > switched to 3 cycle. How do you solve EP (1 2 10 12). I'm using > > Macky's > > > > numbering system for ease of explanation. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Richard Meyer and Patrick (PJK) have spoken of plans for a Denver comp in January. Bug them about it and make sure it happens ;) You might check speedsolving.com forums to see if they're talking about it there. Do you know others that will come as well? On 7/15/07, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > > The subject cays it all..... > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Then somone should get one there... Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: The subject cays it all..... www.xanga.com/forlask www.myspace.com/vbzakis Vince "forlask" --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -Vince- forlask@... www.myspace.com/vbzakis Come add me on myspace. --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Using CCT, you can all have the same scramble, see what everyone else's times are, and chat. I know there is someone who has been running a server since this program was released and so you wouldn't have to start a server to race your friends. The server is listed on the website. Just go to connect to server or ctrl+n. http://gnehzr.net/cct/ -Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, florianweingarten <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi there, > > I was wondering if there is a timer software / website which has a > "multiplayer" feature. I want to solve the cube (real solving, no > simulator) against others online. Is there something like that? > > If not.. I think it would be a nice idea as a programming project. I > am thinking about a website, maybe with Java or something similar > (operating system and browser independent!), where you can "host > races" and where other clients could "join". Everybody who joined gets > the same scramble (and maybe an image of the scrambled cube so he can > see if he scrambled correctly), then the host starts the countdown and > the timer. Afterwards, maybe a ranking (who was first and with what > times, etc.) could be shown. > > What do you think about the idea? > > > Flo >

Since, where do you live? On 7/15/07, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > Then somone should get one there... > > Vince Zakis <forlask@yahoo.com <forlask%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > The subject cays it all..... > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > -Vince- > forlask@yahoo.com <forlask%40yahoo.com> > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > Come add me on myspace. > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Pedro, That's the wrong edge piece. You need to make cuts to the wing edges (both edges either side of that centre-edge). Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "pedrosino1" <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Per and Ron > > I didn't really understand what you meant :P > > http://pjgat09.gotdns.com/old/P3110019.jpg > > there is a 5x5x5 edge picture...could you make an after/before > comparison or maybe put arrows or something to show where I should > modify them, please? > > I'm not a sub-2 solver (neither I see myself there soon), but I guess > a better cube can just help my times :) > > thanks > > Pedro > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > A better image is available here: > > > > http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/Outer_edge_555_fit.jpg > > > > This is the image i sent to 7towns before they improved the 5x5x5 > > tooling :D > > > > Have fun!! > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > > <ron@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > > minutes. > > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner > > side of the > > > outer edges. Check out > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > > (red part > > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > > enough). > > > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, > > because for > > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Ron >

Hi everybody, Just got back from the Czech Open..! It was a nice competition. I didn't get manz personal successes, but most people did: Especially Mathyas, but also Erik Akkersdijk. Congratz to both of them. I know Kai Jiptner has a video of the 3x3 bld record. I shot the 4x4 BLD record (just missed the first 2 minutes of the solve approximately), and also the 5x5 BLD record (also missed the first bit of the whole thing, but I got the part where he started solving, and the memorization part is boring anyway :)). I'll upload them sometimes when I feel like it... Be patient :p. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tobias Daneels <cubewizzard@...> wrote: > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > Congrats! > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > D�couvrez une nouvelle fa�on d'obtenir des r�ponses � toutes vos questions ! > Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des exp�riences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/R�ponses > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

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> http://gnehzr.net/cct/ Ah, thats almost exactly what I meant. Thank you! Flo

Do you need to install Java to run this program? I've tried downloading it onto my computer but without sucess. Brian Dan Dzoan <gvdlfs3@...> wrote: Using CCT, you can all have the same scramble, see what everyone else's times are, and chat. I know there is someone who has been running a server since this program was released and so you wouldn't have to start a server to race your friends. The server is listed on the website. Just go to connect to server or ctrl+n. http://gnehzr.net/cct/ -Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, florianweingarten <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi there, > > I was wondering if there is a timer software / website which has a > "multiplayer" feature. I want to solve the cube (real solving, no > simulator) against others online. Is there something like that? > > If not.. I think it would be a nice idea as a programming project. I > am thinking about a website, maybe with Java or something similar > (operating system and browser independent!), where you can "host > races" and where other clients could "join". Everybody who joined gets > the same scramble (and maybe an image of the scrambled cube so he can > see if he scrambled correctly), then the host starts the countdown and > the timer. Afterwards, maybe a ranking (who was first and with what > times, etc.) could be shown. > > What do you think about the idea? > > > Flo > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wait, what is the difference of Offline and Online Java installation for Windows? Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: Do you need to install Java to run this program? I've tried downloading it onto my computer but without sucess. Brian Dan Dzoan <gvdlfs3@...> wrote: Using CCT, you can all have the same scramble, see what everyone else's times are, and chat. I know there is someone who has been running a server since this program was released and so you wouldn't have to start a server to race your friends. The server is listed on the website. Just go to connect to server or ctrl+n. http://gnehzr.net/cct/ -Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, florianweingarten <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi there, > > I was wondering if there is a timer software / website which has a > "multiplayer" feature. I want to solve the cube (real solving, no > simulator) against others online. Is there something like that? > > If not.. I think it would be a nice idea as a programming project. I > am thinking about a website, maybe with Java or something similar > (operating system and browser independent!), where you can "host > races" and where other clients could "join". Everybody who joined gets > the same scramble (and maybe an image of the scrambled cube so he can > see if he scrambled correctly), then the host starts the countdown and > the timer. Afterwards, maybe a ranking (who was first and with what > times, etc.) could be shown. > > What do you think about the idea? > > > Flo > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've installed Java onto my computer and I downloaded the timer also. Whenver I try to open the Executable Jar File, a picture of a bunch of cubes show up and under them all it says 'CCT'. Then, nothing happens. It just stays there. What's my problem (my computer is a Windows Vista). Brian

Competitions don't get organized on their own. If you want a contest, organize one instead of demanding one. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > Then somone should get one there... > > Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > The subject cays it all..... > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > -Vince- > forlask@... > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > Come add me on myspace. > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

It very well could've not been lucky, because he regularly gets sub-1 solves on the speedsolving.com weekly competitions. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > Some other results he had: > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > Holy cow! > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > Pedro > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

It was a completely random scramble. Also he is doing sub-60 twice so 2 times lucky?? Or 5 cubes in under 10 minutes blindfolded, that can't be lucky either (thought there was one solve which was only 3x switch 2 edges and only orient 4 others). His memo was 12 sec btw :P P.S. he won magic with an avg of 1.00, the results are probably coming soon --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Trevor Davila" <toojgeek@...> wrote: > > It very well could've not been lucky, because he regularly gets sub-1 > solves on the speedsolving.com weekly competitions. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > <ron@> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > > Some other results he had: > > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > > > > Holy cow! > > > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > > > Pedro > > > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Helly ppl, As promised, I uploaded the videos to my youtube account, enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jnoort If anyone is interested in the original files, contact me on MSN. - Joël.

The problem sounds like you don't have Java 6 installed, so please be sure of that before continuing. If that's not the problem, try deleting a file called cct.properties (NOT defaults.properties!), if it exists. Could you try running it through the command prompt and see what message you get, if any? Details for Windows Vista: 1. Place the folder for CCT on your desktop (this will make things easier). 1. Hold down the windows key and the letter r, and release both keys. 2a. Then type "cmd" in the Run dialog which should appear. 2b. If you want to see what version of Java you have, here you should type "java -version" and press enter. It should say something like 1.6.... if not, that's your problem. 3. Then type "cd Desktop" and press enter. 4. Then type "cd cct" or whatever folder you put cct in. 5. Then type "java -jar CALCubeTimer.jar" 6. This will attempt to run the program, please respond with any output it may have given. Good luck! Jeremy Fleischman

Matyas does sub-55 all the time... he can memorize the 4x4 for BLD in under 60 seconds avg, it wasn't luck. On 7/16/07, megafrikkie <megafrikkie@gmail.com> wrote: > > It was a completely random scramble. Also he is doing sub-60 twice so > 2 times lucky?? Or 5 cubes in under 10 minutes blindfolded, that can't > be lucky either (thought there was one solve which was only 3x switch > 2 edges and only orient 4 others). His memo was 12 sec btw :P > > P.S. he won magic with an avg of 1.00, the results are probably coming > soon > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Trevor Davila" > > <toojgeek@...> wrote: > > > > It very well could've not been lucky, because he regularly gets sub-1 > > solves on the speedsolving.com weekly competitions. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Ron van Bruchem" > > <ron@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > His second best blindfolded time at Czech Open 2007 was 55.xx seconds. > > > Some other results he had: > > > 13.15 average in 3x3 first round. > > > 59.xx average in 4x4 final. > > > 1:52.xx average in 5x5 final. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pedro" <pedrosino1@> > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New world record blindfolded > > > > > > > > > Holy cow! > > > > > > if it wasn't a lucky scramble, the guy is really a machine : ) > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > florianweingarten <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com>> > escreveu: > > > > Matyas Kuti broke the blindfolded record. > > > > The new world record is 54.83 seconds. > > > > > > Wow, thats damn fast. Anybody got it on video? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Novo Yahoo! Cadê? - Experimente uma nova busca. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For step four, I tried typing "cd cct" but without sucess. The folder name is "CCT-0.2" and I tried that but that didn't work. Brian Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: The problem sounds like you don't have Java 6 installed, so please be sure of that before continuing. If that's not the problem, try deleting a file called cct.properties (NOT defaults.properties!), if it exists. Could you try running it through the command prompt and see what message you get, if any? Details for Windows Vista: 1. Place the folder for CCT on your desktop (this will make things easier). 1. Hold down the windows key and the letter r, and release both keys. 2a. Then type "cmd" in the Run dialog which should appear. 2b. If you want to see what version of Java you have, here you should type "java -version" and press enter. It should say something like 1.6.... if not, that's your problem. 3. Then type "cd Desktop" and press enter. 4. Then type "cd cct" or whatever folder you put cct in. 5. Then type "java -jar CALCubeTimer.jar" 6. This will attempt to run the program, please respond with any output it may have given. Good luck! Jeremy Fleischman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Below is what I tried to do. I moved the file to Desktop, but that didn't do any good. My Java version is 6.0.6000 C:\Users\Brian> cd Desktop C:\Users\Brian\Desktop>cd cct The system cdannot find hte path specified. C:\Users\Brian\Desktop>cd CCT The system cannot find the path specified. C:\Users\Brian\Desktop>java -jar CALCubeTimer.jar Unable to access jarfile CALCubeTimer.jar C:\Users\Brian\Desktop>java-jar CALCubeTimer.jar 'java-jar' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Brian Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: The problem sounds like you don't have Java 6 installed, so please be sure of that before continuing. If that's not the problem, try deleting a file called cct.properties (NOT defaults.properties!), if it exists. Could you try running it through the command prompt and see what message you get, if any? Details for Windows Vista: 1. Place the folder for CCT on your desktop (this will make things easier). 1. Hold down the windows key and the letter r, and release both keys. 2a. Then type "cmd" in the Run dialog which should appear. 2b. If you want to see what version of Java you have, here you should type "java -version" and press enter. It should say something like 1.6.... if not, that's your problem. 3. Then type "cd Desktop" and press enter. 4. Then type "cd cct" or whatever folder you put cct in. 5. Then type "java -jar CALCubeTimer.jar" 6. This will attempt to run the program, please respond with any output it may have given. Good luck! Jeremy Fleischman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ok, try again, but rename the folder on your desktop to "cct" first.

I tried that and it says "The system cannot find the path specified." Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: Ok, try again, but rename the folder on your desktop to "cct" first. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Are you sure? After you type in "cd Desktop", and then "cd cct", it says path not found? Please double check for me. If so (and you're sure the folder is on the desktop) then after you type in "cd Desktop", type in "dir" and press enter. If you don't see a folder called cct, let me know.

Unfortunately, yes, I tried it four times. Still the system cannot find thingy. I typed "dir" and I see "1,468,768 cct.zip". Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: Are you sure? After you type in "cd Desktop", and then "cd cct", it says path not found? Please double check for me. If so (and you're sure the folder is on the desktop) then after you type in "cd Desktop", type in "dir" and press enter. If you don't see a folder called cct, let me know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hmm .... I think your problem is that Internet Explorer renamed the file for you during download. Change the .zip extension to .jar and you should be ok. Alternatively try to dl again with firefox this time. It shouldn't mess up the file. Gosh i absoluty f***** hate what IE does to files sometimes in it's stupid eagerness to "help". Good luck! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Unfortunately, yes, I tried it four times. Still the system cannot find thingy. I typed "dir" and I see "1,468,768 cct.zip". > > Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: Are you sure? After you type in "cd Desktop", and then "cd cct", it > says path not found? Please double check for me. If so (and you're sure > the folder is on the desktop) then after you type in "cd Desktop", type > in "dir" and press enter. If you don't see a folder called cct, let me > know. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Was hoping there was a 5 by 45 cube :D Matyas is too sick. Does anyone know if he has a photographic memory? because his times are beyond ridiculous --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Helly ppl, > > As promised, I uploaded the videos to my youtube account, enjoy! > > http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jnoort > > If anyone is interested in the original files, contact me on MSN. > > - Joël. >

Ok, that's good. We zipped everything together, so please extract cct.zip to a folder on your desktop called "cct" first, then try again. That should be your problem. Renaming the file to cct.jar will not help, as cct.zip is just a collection of files, including "CALCubeTimer.jar", "defaults.properties", "readme.html", "s ignal.jpg", and "stackmat.jpg". > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le > <khoale1234567@> wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, yes, I tried it four times. Still the system cannot > find thingy. I typed "dir" and I see "1,468,768 cct.zip". > > > > Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@> wrote: Are you > sure? After you type in "cd Desktop", and then "cd cct", it > > says path not found? Please double check for me. If so (and you're > sure > > the folder is on the desktop) then after you type in "cd Desktop", > type > > in "dir" and press enter. If you don't see a folder called cct, let > me > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Here's another video from Czech Open: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5mmuV_U2Y 1:26 minx solve. Thanks to Joel for shooting this :) There are quite some more vid's out there I think, including Matyi's 3x3 BLD WR --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "striderxo" <striderxo@...> wrote: > > Was hoping there was a 5 by 45 cube :D > > Matyas is too sick. Does anyone know if he has a photographic memory? > because his times are beyond ridiculous > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Helly ppl, > > > > As promised, I uploaded the videos to my youtube account, enjoy! > > > > http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jnoort > > > > If anyone is interested in the original files, contact me on MSN. > > > > - Joël. > > >

I want a competition in Pasadena on November 10! On 7/16/07, Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > Competitions don't get organized on their own. If you want a contest, > organize one instead of demanding one. > > Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Vince Zakis > <forlask@...> wrote: > > > > Then somone should get one there... > > > > Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > The subject cays it all..... > > > > www.xanga.com/forlask > > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > > > Vince > > "forlask" > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vince- > > forlask@... > > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Come add me on myspace. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I moved the zipped file into a new folder named "cct". I did the command "C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\cct>" and tried 1) java-jar CALCubeTimer.jar 2) java -jar CALCubeTimer.jar 3) java - jar CALCubeTimer.jar 4) java- jar CALCubeTimer.jar Each came up with the following 1) 'java-jar' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. 2) Unable to access jarfile CALCubeTimer.jar 3) Unrecognized option: - Could not creat the Java virtual machine. 4) 'java-' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: Ok, that's good. We zipped everything together, so please extract cct.zip to a folder on your desktop called "cct" first, then try again. That should be your problem. Renaming the file to cct.jar will not help, as cct.zip is just a collection of files, including "CALCubeTimer.jar", "defaults.properties", "readme.html", "s ignal.jpg", and "stackmat.jpg". > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le > <khoale1234567@> wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, yes, I tried it four times. Still the system cannot > find thingy. I typed "dir" and I see "1,468,768 cct.zip". > > > > Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@> wrote: Are you > sure? After you type in "cd Desktop", and then "cd cct", it > > says path not found? Please double check for me. If so (and you're > sure > > the folder is on the desktop) then after you type in "cd Desktop", > type > > in "dir" and press enter. If you don't see a folder called cct, let > me > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How do I change the .zip extension to .jar? Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: Hmm .... I think your problem is that Internet Explorer renamed the file for you during download. Change the .zip extension to .jar and you should be ok. Alternatively try to dl again with firefox this time. It shouldn't mess up the file. Gosh i absoluty f***** hate what IE does to files sometimes in it's stupid eagerness to "help". Good luck! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Unfortunately, yes, I tried it four times. Still the system cannot find thingy. I typed "dir" and I see "1,468,768 cct.zip". > > Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: Are you sure? After you type in "cd Desktop", and then "cd cct", it > says path not found? Please double check for me. If so (and you're sure > the folder is on the desktop) then after you type in "cd Desktop", type > in "dir" and press enter. If you don't see a folder called cct, let me > know. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> I moved the zipped file into a new folder named "cct". I did the command "C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\cct>" and tried Haha! I'm sorry if I'm making this complicated. I didn't want you to move "cct.zip", what I want you to do is extract cct.zip to a folder on your desktop called cct. Windows Vista has built-in software that does this very easily for you, or you could use third party software. I don't believe that typing in "C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\cct>" will actually do anything other than give you an error. If you type in "cd C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\cct" that should work. After you type this, please type "dir CALCubeTimer.jar", if you get a message that says "File not found", we have a problem. Otherwise, go ahead and type in "java -jar CALCubeTimer.jar". Note, there is a space between "java" and "-jar". In other words there is a space before the hyphen, but not after. Also, while you are in the command prompt, please type in "java - version" and tell me what it says.

Thank you! It finally worked! Is there any other way to open up the timer besides using the command prompt? Brian Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: > I moved the zipped file into a new folder named "cct". I did the command "C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\cct>" and tried Haha! I'm sorry if I'm making this complicated. I didn't want you to move "cct.zip", what I want you to do is extract cct.zip to a folder on your desktop called cct. Windows Vista has built-in software that does this very easily for you, or you could use third party software. I don't believe that typing in "C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\cct>" will actually do anything other than give you an error. If you type in "cd C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\cct" that should work. After you type this, please type "dir CALCubeTimer.jar", if you get a message that says "File not found", we have a problem. Otherwise, go ahead and type in "java -jar CALCubeTimer.jar". Note, there is a space between "java" and "-jar". In other words there is a space before the hyphen, but not after. Also, while you are in the command prompt, please type in "java - version" and tell me what it says. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Does anyone know if there is a blindfold tutorial video of the stefan pochmann simpler method. I feel if i could see how the memorization is actually done for someone, it would help me understand much better and help me get much faster. If not of Stefan Pochmann's method, another may do the job, Thanks. -Kyle B.

I know this was asked before, so sorry to ask again. Which DIY cube is the best to buy and which site would be the best to buy from? Brian

Yes.. i say was have a competition. Who is with me? :P it would be nice really, it would.

> > Thank you! It finally worked! Is there any other way to open up the timer besides using the command prompt? > > Brian What? What happened to the problem you were having earlier? Something about it hanging on the splash screen? Is that gone now? If so, then you should be able to just double-click on the file CALCubeTimer.jar, it's no different than doing the command prompt stuff I told you to do. I'm glad I could help. Jeremy

I. lkyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: Yes.. i say was have a competition. Who is with me? :P it would be nice really, it would. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, the problem dissapeared. A million thanks. Jeremy Fleischman <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: > > Thank you! It finally worked! Is there any other way to open up the timer besides using the command prompt? > > Brian What? What happened to the problem you were having earlier? Something about it hanging on the splash screen? Is that gone now? If so, then you should be able to just double-click on the file CALCubeTimer.jar, it's no different than doing the command prompt stuff I told you to do. I'm glad I could help. Jeremy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Worst comes to worst, you can make a shortcut in there, but for the path, put in the line you'd type into the cmd. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Fleischman" <jeremyfleischman@...> wrote: > > > > > Thank you! It finally worked! Is there any other way to open up the > timer besides using the command prompt? > > > > Brian > > What? What happened to the problem you were having earlier? Something > about it hanging on the splash screen? Is that gone now? If so, then > you should be able to just double-click on the file CALCubeTimer.jar, > it's no different than doing the command prompt stuff I told you to do. > > I'm glad I could help. > > Jeremy >

has anyone ordered any untextured tiles? do they feel like normal stickers or what?

Yeah, to me they just felt like sorta thick stickers. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mr_seagull_1 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > has anyone ordered any untextured tiles? > do they feel like normal stickers or what? >

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ambierona Date: Jul 18, 2007 2:26 PM Subject: [caltechrubiks] Caltech Summer 2007 To: caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com Hi everyone! We are going to have a Caltech Summer competition this year. It will be on Saturday, August 25 at 10:00 am in Winnett Lounge at Caltech (registration will be at 9). We will have 3x3x3 speedsolve, 3x3x3 one-handed, 3x3x3 blindfolded, 4x4x4 speedsolve, 2x2x2 speedsolve, and Pyraminx. Entry fee is $5 for the first event and $2 for each additional event you compete in. Also, Caltech Fall will be held on Saturday, November 10 at 10:00 am in Winnett Lounge. We don't know the events or cost yet, but just keep that date clear. ~Ambie Valdés Caltech Rubik's Cube Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I tested this out the other day. I went ahead and shaved off a tiny bit on each of the inter parts of the out edges. I put it back together, and it makes a considerable different. Before my cube was decent, but still hard. Now it moves real freely now. I think just 10 or so more solves will make it perfect. Thanks Ron for the tips. On 7/11/07, Ron van Bruchem <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > minutes. > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of > the > outer edges. Check out > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > enough). > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@... <mmwfung1985%40yahoo.com>> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > I don't understand your argument. > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > these times can be achieved on. > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > Michael Fung > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Michael Gottlieb" > <mzrg@...> wrote: > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Darn, that's about 3 weeks after I leave CA! Maybe next year (or possibly fall!). Hehe. :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: ambierona > Date: Jul 18, 2007 2:26 PM > Subject: [caltechrubiks] Caltech Summer 2007 > To: caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com > > Hi everyone! > > We are going to have a Caltech Summer competition this year. It will > be on Saturday, August 25 at 10:00 am in Winnett Lounge at Caltech > (registration will be at 9). We will have 3x3x3 speedsolve, 3x3x3 > one-handed, 3x3x3 blindfolded, 4x4x4 speedsolve, 2x2x2 speedsolve, and > Pyraminx. Entry fee is $5 for the first event and $2 for each > additional event you compete in. > > Also, Caltech Fall will be held on Saturday, November 10 at 10:00 am > in Winnett Lounge. We don't know the events or cost yet, but just keep > that date clear. > > ~Ambie Valdés > Caltech Rubik's Cube Club > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

is it really hard to put on normal stickers on an eastsheen 4x4/5x5? would it be easyer with tiles? im trying to decide which one to get --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bladez740" <blade740@...> wrote: > > Yeah, to me they just felt like sorta thick stickers. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mr_seagull_1 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > has anyone ordered any untextured tiles? > > do they feel like normal stickers or what? > > >

Hello, this is my first visit here. I started solving in January of this year, until now. I currently average about 28-30 seconds using the fridrich method and have averaged this for about 2 months. I know all of OLL and PLL as well. I don't really see myself getting any better, until I get my DIY, maybe I'll cut off 3 seconds. Will I get any faster soon? Is my progress about average towards everyone else? When would I get a sub 20 average?

Kai Jiptner and I were discussing the following after he reached 2nd place on 3x3x3_bf at the Czech Open last week: 1st = 54.83, 2nd = 3:50.29. This means 1st place is 4.2 times faster than 2nd place. Challenge: Was there ever an event during a competition where there was a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd place? Answer: Probably not (but let us know if we are wrong), untill a couple of hours later. 5x5x5_bf: 1st = 10:05.16, 2nd = 1:15:41.90. Difference = 7.51 times faster. (and this is an alternative answer: 3x3x3_mbf: 1st = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92) Maybe Stefan could do a database search?

Full Fridrich and full OLL+PLL learned in 6 months was probably to fast. If you have been averaging the same for 2 months and made no progress something is wrong! I think you can improve a lot by working on your technique (fingertricks), recognition-speed, look-a-head and of course: practice, practice, practice. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ltunreal" <ltunreal@...> wrote: > > Hello, this is my first visit here. I started solving in January of > this year, until now. I currently average about 28-30 seconds using > the fridrich method and have averaged this for about 2 months. I know > all of OLL and PLL as well. I don't really see myself getting any > better, until I get my DIY, maybe I'll cut off 3 seconds. > Will I get any faster soon? Is my progress about average towards > everyone else? When would I get a sub 20 average? >

Practice a lot. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Full Fridrich and full OLL+PLL learned in 6 months was probably to > fast. If you have been averaging the same for 2 months and made no > progress something is wrong! I think you can improve a lot by working > on your technique (fingertricks), recognition-speed, look-a-head and of > course: practice, practice, practice. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ltunreal" > <ltunreal@> wrote: > > > > Hello, this is my first visit here. I started solving in January of > > this year, until now. I currently average about 28-30 seconds using > > the fridrich method and have averaged this for about 2 months. I know > > all of OLL and PLL as well. I don't really see myself getting any > > better, until I get my DIY, maybe I'll cut off 3 seconds. > > Will I get any faster soon? Is my progress about average towards > > everyone else? When would I get a sub 20 average? > > >

I might need more practice on F2L maybe? I've only been using it for about 2-3 months. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "e.skyuzo" <e.skyuzo@...> wrote: > > Practice a lot. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > Full Fridrich and full OLL+PLL learned in 6 months was probably to > > fast. If you have been averaging the same for 2 months and made no > > progress something is wrong! I think you can improve a lot by working > > on your technique (fingertricks), recognition-speed, look-a-head and of > > course: practice, practice, practice. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ltunreal" > > <ltunreal@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, this is my first visit here. I started solving in January of > > > this year, until now. I currently average about 28-30 seconds using > > > the fridrich method and have averaged this for about 2 months. I know > > > all of OLL and PLL as well. I don't really see myself getting any > > > better, until I get my DIY, maybe I'll cut off 3 seconds. > > > Will I get any faster soon? Is my progress about average towards > > > everyone else? When would I get a sub 20 average? > > > > > >

http://pjgat09.gotdns.com/old/P3110022.jpg there's a wing edge picture...if I understood correctly, I should do something like this: http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/Pedrosino/P3110022.jpg (shaving a bit where is yellow) is that correct? how much should I shave? just a tiny bit? Pedro "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@...> escreveu: I tested this out the other day. I went ahead and shaved off a tiny bit on each of the inter parts of the out edges. I put it back together, and it makes a considerable different. Before my cube was decent, but still hard. Now it moves real freely now. I think just 10 or so more solves will make it perfect. Thanks Ron for the tips. On 7/11/07, Ron van Bruchem <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > minutes. > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of > the > outer edges. Check out > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > enough). > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@... <mmwfung1985%40yahoo.com>> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > I don't understand your argument. > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > these times can be achieved on. > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > Michael Fung > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Michael Gottlieb" > <mzrg@...> wrote: > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hmm... well, that yellow isn't where I shaved. Take a look at Ron's picture, and also this one: http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/Outer_edge_555_fit.jpg And you will see Ron's picture is actually pretty good when you understand what part he is drawing. On 7/19/07, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > http://pjgat09.gotdns.com/old/P3110022.jpg > > there's a wing edge picture...if I understood correctly, I should do > something like this: > > http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/Pedrosino/P3110022.jpg > (shaving a bit where is yellow) > > is that correct? how much should I shave? just a tiny bit? > > Pedro > > "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@... <pjkcards%40gmail.com>> escreveu: I tested > this out the other day. I went ahead and shaved off a tiny bit on > each of the inter parts of the out edges. I put it back together, and it > makes a considerable different. Before my cube was decent, but still hard. > Now it moves real freely now. I think just 10 or so more solves will make > it perfect. Thanks Ron for the tips. > > On 7/11/07, Ron van Bruchem <ron@... <ron%40speedcubing.com>> > wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > > minutes. > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of > > the > > outer edges. Check out > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red > part > > > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > > enough). > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@... <mmwfung1985%40yahoo.com><mmwfung1985% > 40yahoo.com>> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > Michael Fung > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Michael Gottlieb" > > <mzrg@...> wrote: > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The last picture I showed was wrong :P this is the right way (thanks, Joel...and Per for the pic) http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/Pedrosino/Outer_edge_555_fit.jpg so, how do you recommend doing it? sandpaper? Pedro "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@...> escreveu: I tested this out the other day. I went ahead and shaved off a tiny bit on each of the inter parts of the out edges. I put it back together, and it makes a considerable different. Before my cube was decent, but still hard. Now it moves real freely now. I think just 10 or so more solves will make it perfect. Thanks Ron for the tips. On 7/11/07, Ron van Bruchem <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > minutes. > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of > the > outer edges. Check out > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > enough). > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@... <mmwfung1985%40yahoo.com>> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > I don't understand your argument. > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > these times can be achieved on. > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > Michael Fung > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Michael Gottlieb" > <mzrg@...> wrote: > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Which DIY cube, from which website, would be best for speedcubing?

Just got "Rubik's Revolution" billed as the "all new spin on the world's number one cube" This is a total rip off! It has NOTHING to do with Rubik's cube, it is made to look like one, but does not eevn rotate or move. The whole thing is nothing more than a flashing lights game similar to "Simon". What a rip off. The ironic thing is that the package claims the "all new spin" on the cube, when the product itself DOES NOT SPIN.

Yes, that image is correct, and I also shaved off that very bottom part a big, directly below and to the left of the red line. I just used a sharp knife and ran it back and forth to shave up a bit. Ron said 0.1 of a mm, so I just did a couple strokes until I think it was enough. On 7/19/07, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > The last picture I showed was wrong :P > > this is the right way (thanks, Joel...and Per for the pic) > http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/Pedrosino/Outer_edge_555_fit.jpg > > so, how do you recommend doing it? sandpaper? > > Pedro > > "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@... <pjkcards%40gmail.com>> escreveu: I tested > this out the other day. I went ahead and shaved off a tiny bit on > each of the inter parts of the out edges. I put it back together, and it > makes a considerable different. Before my cube was decent, but still hard. > Now it moves real freely now. I think just 10 or so more solves will make > it perfect. Thanks Ron for the tips. > > On 7/11/07, Ron van Bruchem <ron@... <ron%40speedcubing.com>> > wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > > minutes. > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of > > the > > outer edges. Check out > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red > part > > > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > > enough). > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@... <mmwfung1985%40yahoo.com><mmwfung1985% > 40yahoo.com>> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > Michael Fung > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Michael Gottlieb" > > <mzrg@...> wrote: > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a blindfold tutorial video of the stefan > pochmann simpler method. I feel if i could see how the memorization > is actually done for someone, it would help me understand much better > and help me get much faster. If not of Stefan Pochmann's method, > another may do the job, Thanks. > > -Kyle B. > http://www.freewebs.com/trumpeter321/cycle3x3x3blindfolded.htm It's cycle method but at least it's something. David

Hi, I know, its been a while since German Open 2007, but I finally found some time to cut my videos. Maybe some of you will enjoy watching them! http://rinnsal.oph.rwth-aachen.de/~fw/GermanOpen2007/ Sorry if the files are too large, but I dont wanted to reduce the resolution of the videos. Have fun! Flo

Doing a quick scan on the site, the only one I found was at Idaho Open 2007... It had a 4.9x difference in top two spots in the 3x3 BLD event. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Kai Jiptner and I were discussing the following after he reached 2nd > place on 3x3x3_bf at the Czech Open last week: > 1st = 54.83, 2nd = 3:50.29. > This means 1st place is 4.2 times faster than 2nd place. > > Challenge: Was there ever an event during a competition where there was > a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd place? > > Answer: Probably not (but let us know if we are wrong), untill a couple > of hours later. 5x5x5_bf: 1st = 10:05.16, 2nd = 1:15:41.90. Difference > = 7.51 times faster. (and this is an alternative answer: 3x3x3_mbf: 1st > = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92) > > Maybe Stefan could do a database search?

It's a phrase... It means it's a new concept based on the cube, in case you didn't catch that... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...> wrote: > > Just got "Rubik's Revolution" billed as the "all new spin on the > world's number one cube" > > This is a total rip off! It has NOTHING to do with Rubik's cube, it > is made to look like one, but does not eevn rotate or move. The whole > thing is nothing more than a flashing lights game similar to "Simon". > > What a rip off. > > The ironic thing is that the package claims the "all new spin" on the > cube, when the product itself DOES NOT SPIN. >

You don't need a video: its' easy to understand. David <skaterinpain57@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a blindfold tutorial video of the stefan > pochmann simpler method. I feel if i could see how the memorization > is actually done for someone, it would help me understand much better > and help me get much faster. If not of Stefan Pochmann's method, > another may do the job, Thanks. > > -Kyle B. > http://www.freewebs.com/trumpeter321/cycle3x3x3blindfolded.htm It's cycle method but at least it's something. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ye, but I fail to see how Rubik's Revulsion (misspelling intended)is in any way based on the Rubik's Cube. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Choi" <quirkcorsair566@...> wrote: > > It's a phrase... It means it's a new concept based on the cube, in > case you didn't catch that... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Trimm" > <jstrimm@> wrote: > > > > Just got "Rubik's Revolution" billed as the "all new spin on the > > world's number one cube" > > > > This is a total rip off! It has NOTHING to do with Rubik's cube, it > > is made to look like one, but does not eevn rotate or move. The whole > > thing is nothing more than a flashing lights game similar to "Simon". > > > > What a rip off. > > > > The ironic thing is that the package claims the "all new spin" on the > > cube, when the product itself DOES NOT SPIN. > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...> wrote: > > > Ye, but I fail to see how Rubik's Revulsion (misspelling intended)is > in any way based on the Rubik's Cube. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Choi" > <quirkcorsair566@> wrote: > > > > It's a phrase... It means it's a new concept based on the cube, in > > case you didn't catch that... > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Trimm" > > <jstrimm@> wrote: > > > > > > Just got "Rubik's Revolution" billed as the "all new spin on the > > > world's number one cube" > > > > > > This is a total rip off! It has NOTHING to do with Rubik's cube, it > > > is made to look like one, but does not eevn rotate or move. The whole > > > thing is nothing more than a flashing lights game similar to "Simon". > > > > > > What a rip off. > > > > > > The ironic thing is that the package claims the "all new spin" on the > > > cube, when the product itself DOES NOT SPIN. > > > > > > That phrase is pretty stupid. Just as the real cube was making a comeback... Darn you product testers!

Let's summarize: 1) Using the Rubik's brand is mostly done for marketing purposes. Having six faces so you can't see all colors at once is the only other good reason to make it look like a cube. 2) It doesn't turn, scramble, solve or involve insight. It isn't even a puzzle. 3) The "mechanism"/electronics were basically ripped/copied from another puzzle (search for a previous post by Stefan Pochmann) So at first glance, it just looks like it is a purely commercial toy and not a brain-challenge. BUT if you actually start playing with it (preferably later in the evening, with friends and in a silly/tipsy mood), it turns out to be pretty fun to do anyway. I could easily leave it untoched for a month, but when I play with it, it is fun! -------- Original Message -------- > From: "rubiksfriend" <mooseman6792@...> > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:48 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Rubik's Revolution Rip-Off > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Trimm" > <jstrimm@...> wrote: > > > > > > Ye, but I fail to see how Rubik's Revulsion (misspelling intended)is > > in any way based on the Rubik's Cube. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Choi" > > <quirkcorsair566@> wrote: > > > > > > It's a phrase... It means it's a new concept based on the cube, in > > > case you didn't catch that... > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Trimm" > > > <jstrimm@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just got "Rubik's Revolution" billed as the "all new spin on the > > > > world's number one cube" > > > > > > > > This is a total rip off! It has NOTHING to do with Rubik's > cube, it > > > > is made to look like one, but does not eevn rotate or move. The > whole > > > > thing is nothing more than a flashing lights game similar > to "Simon". > > > > > > > > What a rip off. > > > > > > > > The ironic thing is that the package claims the "all new spin" > on the > > > > cube, when the product itself DOES NOT SPIN. > > > > > > > > > > That phrase is pretty stupid. Just as the real cube was making a > comeback... Darn you product testers!

Nice find Jon! Kai, you can feel even better about your second place right now! -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Jon Choi" <quirkcorsair566@...> > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 4:50 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Biggest difference between 1st and 2nd place in a competition > > Doing a quick scan on the site, the only one I found was at Idaho Open > 2007... It had a 4.9x difference in top two spots in the 3x3 BLD event. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" > <avgalen@...> wrote: > > > > Kai Jiptner and I were discussing the following after he reached 2nd > > place on 3x3x3_bf at the Czech Open last week: > > 1st = 54.83, 2nd = 3:50.29. > > This means 1st place is 4.2 times faster than 2nd place. > > > > Challenge: Was there ever an event during a competition where there was > > a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd place? > > > > Answer: Probably not (but let us know if we are wrong), untill a couple > > of hours later. 5x5x5_bf: 1st = 10:05.16, 2nd = 1:15:41.90. Difference > > = 7.51 times faster. (and this is an alternative answer: 3x3x3_mbf: 1st > > = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92) > > > > Maybe Stefan could do a database search?

Hi :-) I guess there may be a different answer depending if you are interested in the time ratio or time difference. For 4x4x4 blind 8 mins and 12 mins has a difference of 240 secs and the ratio is 1.5 (3/2). Take pyraminx speed 4 secs and 20 secs. Difference only 16 secs but the ratio is a staggering 5. These are made-up examples :D -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Choi" <quirkcorsair566@...> wrote: > > Doing a quick scan on the site, the only one I found was at Idaho Open > 2007... It had a 4.9x difference in top two spots in the 3x3 BLD event. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > Kai Jiptner and I were discussing the following after he reached 2nd > > place on 3x3x3_bf at the Czech Open last week: > > 1st = 54.83, 2nd = 3:50.29. > > This means 1st place is 4.2 times faster than 2nd place. > > > > Challenge: Was there ever an event during a competition where there was > > a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd place? > > > > Answer: Probably not (but let us know if we are wrong), untill a couple > > of hours later. 5x5x5_bf: 1st = 10:05.16, 2nd = 1:15:41.90. Difference > > = 7.51 times faster. (and this is an alternative answer: 3x3x3_mbf: 1st > > = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92) > > > > Maybe Stefan could do a database search? >

Time ratio is what we were talking about. Otherwise I guess the biggest difference would probably be in either megaminx, square-1 or 5x5x5. -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:27 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Biggest difference between 1st and 2nd place in a competition > > Hi :-) > > I guess there may be a different answer depending if you are > interested in the time ratio or time difference. > > For 4x4x4 blind 8 mins and 12 mins has a difference of 240 secs and > the ratio is 1.5 (3/2). > > Take pyraminx speed 4 secs and 20 secs. Difference only 16 secs but > the ratio is a staggering 5. > > These are made-up examples :D > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Choi" > <quirkcorsair566@...> wrote: > > > > Doing a quick scan on the site, the only one I found was at Idaho > Open > > 2007... It had a 4.9x difference in top two spots in the 3x3 BLD > event. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > Kai Jiptner and I were discussing the following after he reached > 2nd > > > place on 3x3x3_bf at the Czech Open last week: > > > 1st = 54.83, 2nd = 3:50.29. > > > This means 1st place is 4.2 times faster than 2nd place. > > > > > > Challenge: Was there ever an event during a competition where > there was > > > a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd place? > > > > > > Answer: Probably not (but let us know if we are wrong), untill a > couple > > > of hours later. 5x5x5_bf: 1st = 10:05.16, 2nd = 1:15:41.90. > Difference > > > = 7.51 times faster. (and this is an alternative answer: > 3x3x3_mbf: 1st > > > = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92) > > > > > > Maybe Stefan could do a database search? > >

What about the Belgian Open 2007 ? In multiple blindfolded the first one had 7/7 and the second one had 4/5. How do you compute that difference ? :p 2007/7/20, avgalen <avgalen@...>: > > Time ratio is what we were talking about. Otherwise I guess the biggest > difference would probably be in either megaminx, square-1 or 5x5x5. > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...<aspiring_to_love%40yahoo.no>> > > > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:27 PM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Biggest difference between 1st and 2nd > place in a competition > > > > Hi :-) > > > > I guess there may be a different answer depending if you are > > interested in the time ratio or time difference. > > > > For 4x4x4 blind 8 mins and 12 mins has a difference of 240 secs and > > the ratio is 1.5 (3/2). > > > > Take pyraminx speed 4 secs and 20 secs. Difference only 16 secs but > > the ratio is a staggering 5. > > > > These are made-up examples :D > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Jon Choi" > > <quirkcorsair566@...> wrote: > > > > > > Doing a quick scan on the site, the only one I found was at Idaho > > Open > > > 2007... It had a 4.9x difference in top two spots in the 3x3 BLD > > event. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "arnaudvangalen" > > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kai Jiptner and I were discussing the following after he reached > > 2nd > > > > place on 3x3x3_bf at the Czech Open last week: > > > > 1st = 54.83, 2nd = 3:50.29. > > > > This means 1st place is 4.2 times faster than 2nd place. > > > > > > > > Challenge: Was there ever an event during a competition where > > there was > > > > a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd place? > > > > > > > > Answer: Probably not (but let us know if we are wrong), untill a > > couple > > > > of hours later. 5x5x5_bf: 1st = 10:05.16, 2nd = 1:15:41.90. > > Difference > > > > = 7.51 times faster. (and this is an alternative answer: > > 3x3x3_mbf: 1st > > > > = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92) > > > > > > > > Maybe Stefan could do a database search? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In percent or something ... ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > What about the Belgian Open 2007 ? > In multiple blindfolded the first one had 7/7 and the second one had 4/5. > How do you compute that difference ? :p > > 2007/7/20, avgalen <avgalen@...>: > > > > Time ratio is what we were talking about. Otherwise I guess the biggest > > difference would probably be in either megaminx, square-1 or 5x5x5. > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...<aspiring_to_love%40yahoo.no>> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:27 PM > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Biggest difference between 1st and 2nd > > place in a competition > > > > > > Hi :-) > > > > > > I guess there may be a different answer depending if you are > > > interested in the time ratio or time difference. > > > > > > For 4x4x4 blind 8 mins and 12 mins has a difference of 240 secs and > > > the ratio is 1.5 (3/2). > > > > > > Take pyraminx speed 4 secs and 20 secs. Difference only 16 secs but > > > the ratio is a staggering 5. > > > > > > These are made-up examples :D > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Jon Choi" > > > <quirkcorsair566@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Doing a quick scan on the site, the only one I found was at Idaho > > > Open > > > > 2007... It had a 4.9x difference in top two spots in the 3x3 BLD > > > event. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "arnaudvangalen" > > > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kai Jiptner and I were discussing the following after he reached > > > 2nd > > > > > place on 3x3x3_bf at the Czech Open last week: > > > > > 1st = 54.83, 2nd = 3:50.29. > > > > > This means 1st place is 4.2 times faster than 2nd place. > > > > > > > > > > Challenge: Was there ever an event during a competition where > > > there was > > > > > a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd place? > > > > > > > > > > Answer: Probably not (but let us know if we are wrong), untill a > > > couple > > > > > of hours later. 5x5x5_bf: 1st = 10:05.16, 2nd = 1:15:41.90. > > > Difference > > > > > = 7.51 times faster. (and this is an alternative answer: > > > 3x3x3_mbf: 1st > > > > > = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92) > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Stefan could do a database search? > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Why do you advise against lubing the mechanism? On 7/15/07, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Corwin is right. lubing it will make it pop, but you will have a good > 4x4 speedcube. my advice: go ahead and lube it, but don't overdo it. lube > the pieces like a regular 3x3, but DO NOT lube the center mechanism. > > dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@... <Dwarmaj%40Hotmail.com>> wrote: My 4x4 was > very stiff before I lubed it. Afterwards it turns very > > smoothly, but I have to be a bit more careful with it when turning or > I'll get pops. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > jeff17237 > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > ok not sure what to do :). some people saying lube it some say > leave > > it alone :P. anyone have a strong opinion either way? im not sure > > what i should do. > > > > jeff > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Timothy Sun" > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > Once I lubricated it, I actually had no more problems with center > > > pieces. ;) > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Corwin" <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, im no expert at the 4x4, but DO NOT lubricate it. I > > lubricated > > > > my 4x4 and it started poping like crazy. On the first session > > that i > > > > speedcubed with it, a centerpeice snapped. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Corwin Shiu > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > jeff17237 > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just > got > > > the > > > > > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great > > > service). i do > > > > > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed > > > either. > > > > > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces > > together. > > > no i > > > > > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right > > away, > > > or > > > > > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it > > would > > > help > > > > > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the > > > feet to > > > > > the centers. let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I got my 2x2 yesterday and it poped as i was blindfold cubing with it. Anyone know how to put it back together? Thanks Corwin Shiu

It doesn't really do anything to help, when I tried it. You can lube it if you want, but I don't recommend it. Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: Why do you advise against lubing the mechanism? On 7/15/07, Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> wrote: > > Corwin is right. lubing it will make it pop, but you will have a good > 4x4 speedcube. my advice: go ahead and lube it, but don't overdo it. lube > the pieces like a regular 3x3, but DO NOT lube the center mechanism. > > dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@... <Dwarmaj%40Hotmail.com>> wrote: My 4x4 was > very stiff before I lubed it. Afterwards it turns very > > smoothly, but I have to be a bit more careful with it when turning or > I'll get pops. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > jeff17237 > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > ok not sure what to do :). some people saying lube it some say > leave > > it alone :P. anyone have a strong opinion either way? im not sure > > what i should do. > > > > jeff > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Timothy Sun" > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > Once I lubricated it, I actually had no more problems with center > > > pieces. ;) > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Corwin" <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, im no expert at the 4x4, but DO NOT lubricate it. I > > lubricated > > > > my 4x4 and it started poping like crazy. On the first session > > that i > > > > speedcubed with it, a centerpeice snapped. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Corwin Shiu > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > jeff17237 > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so i broke my revenge the first day i got it, and just > got > > > the > > > > > replacement piece today (btw. bravo Cubesmith for great > > > service). i do > > > > > not wish to break another piece the day i just get it fixed > > > either. > > > > > what suggestions do yo have for keeping all the pieces > > together. > > > no i > > > > > dont turn the cube roughly at all. should i lube it right > > away, > > > or > > > > > wait til it is worn down a bit more? lubing seems like it > > would > > > help > > > > > it spin a bit easier and a bit harder to break off one of the > > > feet to > > > > > the centers. let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You advised against it vehemently as if doing it would ruin the cube. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sorry for the vehementacy. I wasn't feeling good at the point in time that I wrote the reply. Therefore, a little vehement speech was a result of my languid mood. I apologize for replying to your message in such angry manner. You get the idea.. I suggest you ask others as a precaution. I'm not an expert at Revenge... Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: You advised against it vehemently as if doing it would ruin the cube. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I assume we can only count the correctly solved cubes in the ratio process. That is how I calculated ratios while searching. And yes, I went through every competition, although rather quickly. Arnaud said: "3x3x3_mbf: 1st = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92" --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > What about the Belgian Open 2007 ? > In multiple blindfolded the first one had 7/7 and the second one had 4/5. > How do you compute that difference ? :p > > 2007/7/20, avgalen <avgalen@...>: > > > > Time ratio is what we were talking about. Otherwise I guess the biggest > > difference would probably be in either megaminx, square-1 or 5x5x5. > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...<aspiring_to_love%40yahoo.no>> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:27 PM > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Biggest difference between 1st and 2nd > > place in a competition > > > > > > Hi :-) > > > > > > I guess there may be a different answer depending if you are > > > interested in the time ratio or time difference. > > > > > > For 4x4x4 blind 8 mins and 12 mins has a difference of 240 secs and > > > the ratio is 1.5 (3/2). > > > > > > Take pyraminx speed 4 secs and 20 secs. Difference only 16 secs but > > > the ratio is a staggering 5. > > > > > > These are made-up examples :D > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Jon Choi" > > > <quirkcorsair566@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Doing a quick scan on the site, the only one I found was at Idaho > > > Open > > > > 2007... It had a 4.9x difference in top two spots in the 3x3 BLD > > > event. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "arnaudvangalen" > > > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kai Jiptner and I were discussing the following after he reached > > > 2nd > > > > > place on 3x3x3_bf at the Czech Open last week: > > > > > 1st = 54.83, 2nd = 3:50.29. > > > > > This means 1st place is 4.2 times faster than 2nd place. > > > > > > > > > > Challenge: Was there ever an event during a competition where > > > there was > > > > > a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd place? > > > > > > > > > > Answer: Probably not (but let us know if we are wrong), untill a > > > couple > > > > > of hours later. 5x5x5_bf: 1st = 10:05.16, 2nd = 1:15:41.90. > > > Difference > > > > > = 7.51 times faster. (and this is an alternative answer: > > > 3x3x3_mbf: 1st > > > > > = 9:31/5 = 1:54.20, 2nd = 26:20/2 = 13:10.00. Difference = 6.92) > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Stefan could do a database search? > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

does anyone wknow where in Australia i can buy 1 of these

i can not find anywhere that has the codes etc. or speed solving a rubik's cube (i class this as under a minute). i can currently solve a rubik's cube in roughly 1-2 minutes and i was wondering if anyone could help by telling me how to get my time underneath 1 minute.

Hello, I justs finished my report about the Czech Open 2007. It can be found here : http://www.gillesvdp.com/cube/index.php/2007/07/21/2-czech-open-2007 Hope you like it! Feel free to leave comments. :-) Gilles

It doesn't seem you have been searching very hard. A Google search for "speed solve rubik's cube" yielded several useful sites. The links section of this group also has plenty. So did you actually look, or did you come straight here and expect people to spoon feed you information? We are much more likely to help those who help themselves. Keep that in mind. Have a nice day Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "j_s_t_i_n_o_c" <j_s_t_i_n_o_c@...> wrote: > > > i can not find anywhere that has the codes etc. or speed solving a > rubik's cube (i class this as under a minute). i can currently solve a > rubik's cube in roughly 1-2 minutes and i was wondering if anyone > could help by telling me how to get my time underneath 1 minute. >

You can get it shipped to australia online. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "j_s_t_i_n_o_c" <j_s_t_i_n_o_c@...> wrote: > > > does anyone wknow where in Australia i can buy 1 of these >

ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!?!? You cannot find a good website that teaches you how to speedsolve?!?!?! You must be kidding. Just do what Shelly says and google it. Don't be lazy, it only takes a few minutes "Practice, practice, practice." Brian aznseashell <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: It doesn't seem you have been searching very hard. A Google search for "speed solve rubik's cube" yielded several useful sites. The links section of this group also has plenty. So did you actually look, or did you come straight here and expect people to spoon feed you information? We are much more likely to help those who help themselves. Keep that in mind. Have a nice day Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "j_s_t_i_n_o_c" <j_s_t_i_n_o_c@...> wrote: > > > i can not find anywhere that has the codes etc. or speed solving a > rubik's cube (i class this as under a minute). i can currently solve a > rubik's cube in roughly 1-2 minutes and i was wondering if anyone > could help by telling me how to get my time underneath 1 minute. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I started solving with the solution that was available from the mail in form that came with my 3x3x3 R/C. I've never learned another method. I don't consider myself a speed cuber, but can do it in less that 2 min. easy. I've since purchased a meffert's 4x and 5x and have learned how to solve using the solution for the 5x on that site. (but still use my already learned method to set the bottom 4 corners) and bottom edges. then I use: 1) B u' B' u B' r' B r and 2) B H' B' H B' M' B M and 3) B d B' d' B' l B l to move and set 3 sets of edges also sometimes a slice is in BL+ BR+ FL- and FR- so I do move 1,2,or 3 above then... (UuH) D' then do move 1,2,or 3 again. and then move D' and u',H', or d to put it all back again. then a variation of that for the points and crosses around the centers precede with F and R turns as required then... 4) b u' b' u Bb' r' b r B for the points and 5) b H' b' H Bb' M' b M B for the crosses undo the F and R turns previously made. often I turn the mirror of the above moves looking at the left face instead of the right face as above noted as needed. (I haven't been good enough to do the inverse of these moves yet without messing up) I just do them twice when I need too. I've tried to solve the 4x and 5x with a method I found online at www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html (step 6) that solves the centers first then sets the edges together, and then goes about solving just as if it where a 3x3. I like this idea, but am finding it very difficult as there are too many algs to remember for moving the edges around without disrupting the centers. I also find it uncomfortable to work the back of the cube like that does. anyone got a helpful idea?

Remember, also, that just about any method can be used to solve a rubik's cube under 1 minute with practice. I've heard stories of people averaging sub-20 with beginner layer by layer methods. Unless you're sight-solving with a blindfold method, I refuse to believe that you can't solve under a minute without a bit more practice. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell <no_reply@...> wrote: > > It doesn't seem you have been searching very hard. A Google search for > "speed solve rubik's cube" yielded several useful sites. The links > section of this group also has plenty. > > So did you actually look, or did you come straight here and expect > people to spoon feed you information? We are much more likely to help > those who help themselves. Keep that in mind. > > Have a nice day > > Shelley > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "j_s_t_i_n_o_c" > <j_s_t_i_n_o_c@> wrote: > > > > > > i can not find anywhere that has the codes etc. or speed solving a > > rubik's cube (i class this as under a minute). i can currently solve a > > rubik's cube in roughly 1-2 minutes and i was wondering if anyone > > could help by telling me how to get my time underneath 1 minute. > > >

Okay, I just read the first couple paragraphs (up to the algorithms) and your last one. AlchemistMatt's site is very bad, in my opinion. The fastest solve I managed to pull of using his method was still super-6 (centers 2.5-3 min, edges 3 min, 3x3x3 1 min). The concepts are okay, but the algorithms are not. Centers should be done intuitively and the first 10 edges also intuitively. Check out bigcubes.com. There is also nothing stopping you from making cube rotations and applying the algorithms from a different angle. Hope it helps. Jon Choi --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > I started solving with the solution that was available from the mail > in form that came with my 3x3x3 R/C. > > I've never learned another method. I don't consider myself a speed > cuber, but can do it in less that 2 min. easy. > > I've since purchased a meffert's 4x and 5x and have learned how to > solve using the solution for the 5x on that site. (but still use my > already learned method to set the bottom 4 corners) and bottom edges. > then I use: > 1) B u' B' u B' r' B r and > 2) B H' B' H B' M' B M and > 3) B d B' d' B' l B l to move and set 3 sets of edges > > > also sometimes a slice is in BL+ BR+ FL- and FR- so I do > move 1,2,or 3 above then... > > (UuH) D' > > then do move 1,2,or 3 again. > and then move D' and u',H', or d to put it all back again. then a > variation of that for the points and crosses around the centers > > precede with F and R turns as required then... > > 4) b u' b' u Bb' r' b r B for the points and > 5) b H' b' H Bb' M' b M B for the crosses > > undo the F and R turns previously made. > > often I turn the mirror of the above moves looking at the left face > instead of the right face as above noted as needed. > > (I haven't been good enough to do the inverse of these moves yet > without messing up) I just do them twice when I need too. > > I've tried to solve the 4x and 5x with a method I found online at > www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html (step 6) that solves the > centers first then sets the edges together, and then goes about > solving just as if it where a 3x3. > > I like this idea, but am finding it very difficult as there are too > many algs to remember for moving the edges around without disrupting > the centers. > > I also find it uncomfortable to work the back of the cube like that > does. > > anyone got a helpful idea? >

you do get internet in Australia correct? cube4you.com 9puzzles.com rubiks.com ebay.com edsthinkshop.com/shop.html they are everywhere... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "j_s_t_i_n_o_c" <j_s_t_i_n_o_c@...> wrote: > > > does anyone wknow where in Australia i can buy 1 of these >

...Says the post in an online newsgroup. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > you do get internet in Australia correct? > cube4you.com 9puzzles.com rubiks.com ebay.com > edsthinkshop.com/shop.html > > they are everywhere... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "j_s_t_i_n_o_c" > <j_s_t_i_n_o_c@> wrote: > > > > > > does anyone wknow where in Australia i can buy 1 of these > > >

I finally got around to doing this on my 5x5x5 cube. Well, my experience is that although doing this modification did improve the cube a bit it is definitely not a 'silver bullet'... it's still hard to turn, especially the outer slices, and I don't feel that I would be able to "set times under 2 minutes" with this cube unless I did serious strength training on my fingers and wrists. I did do an average of 12 on the cube, to see if it would improve a bit with time, and the best solve of the average was 2:14. That's not that bad, but I wouldn't be any more likely to call my cube 'fast' than I would before. --Michael Gottlieb --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 minutes. > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of the > outer edges. Check out > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is enough). > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > these times can be achieved on. > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > Michael Fung > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > >

Yeah, I kinda feel the same way...I think the cube is a bit better, but still hard to turn...like you said, specially the outer layers... and my best time so far is around 3:30 ;p so...after doing that modification, how much "work" is needed for the cube to become good? (I already worked on it quite a bit, lubed and so...) Pedro Michael Gottlieb <mzrg@...> escreveu: I finally got around to doing this on my 5x5x5 cube. Well, my experience is that although doing this modification did improve the cube a bit it is definitely not a 'silver bullet'... it's still hard to turn, especially the outer slices, and I don't feel that I would be able to "set times under 2 minutes" with this cube unless I did serious strength training on my fingers and wrists. I did do an average of 12 on the cube, to see if it would improve a bit with time, and the best solve of the average was 2:14. That's not that bad, but I wouldn't be any more likely to call my cube 'fast' than I would before. --Michael Gottlieb --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 minutes. > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side of the > outer edges. Check out > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details (red part > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is enough). > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because for > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > these times can be achieved on. > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > Michael Fung > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gottlieb" > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Maybe you guys didn't shave enough off... or maybe use more silicone to make them run smoother. Of course you have to use your cube more to make it more loose, but it did a real job on my 5x5. On 7/22/07, Pedro <pedrosino1@yahoo.com.br> wrote: > > Yeah, I kinda feel the same way...I think the cube is a bit better, but > still hard to turn...like you said, specially the outer layers... > > and my best time so far is around 3:30 ;p > > so...after doing that modification, how much "work" is needed for the cube > to become good? (I already worked on it quite a bit, lubed and so...) > > Pedro > > Michael Gottlieb <mzrg@... <mzrg%40verizon.net>> escreveu: I > finally got around to doing this on my 5x5x5 cube. > > > Well, my experience is that although doing this modification did > improve the cube a bit it is definitely not a 'silver bullet'... it's > still hard to turn, especially the outer slices, and I don't feel that > I would be able to "set times under 2 minutes" with this cube unless I > did serious strength training on my fingers and wrists. > > I did do an average of 12 on the cube, to see if it would improve a > bit with time, and the best solve of the average was 2:14. That's not > that bad, but I wouldn't be any more likely to call my cube 'fast' > than I would before. > > --Michael Gottlieb > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Ron van Bruchem" > <ron@...> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > minutes. > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side > of the > > outer edges. Check out > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > (red part > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > enough). > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because > for > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > Michael Fung > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Michael Gottlieb" > > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I blew mine up once too. I think I superglued it together the last time, so I won't be able to take it apart and give you (and everyone else) really good directions. However, I do remember most of how I did it because I had to do trial and error to re-assemble, and I was unable to find any kind of hints on the web. Make sure you have all the pieces first. I was missing one for the first several attempts, and I made it nowhere. There should be a 3-dimensional cross with 6 axles on it. There should be 3 pieces that are shaped like chess rooks (like a castles spire) that fit over the axles and spin freely. The other 3 rook shapes are just like the 3 fixed axles on the cross. You should also have 12 pieces shaped like strange sandwiches. 3 of them are different from the others...they have a side that is longer than the other. The last, of course, are the 8 cubies. Pick one of the corners to be your cornerstone. Make it red-yellow-blue if your cube has one. Start assembling the bottom level of the cube, with the blue side down. You must assemble it correctly, but I'm assuming you knew that if you're blindsolving. ;) Once you have the 4 bottom cubies lying on the table, take 2 of the sandwiches with a longer side and drop them between the cubies so that the longer side of the sandwich is inside the slot on the cornerstone side. MAKE SURE that the longer of the 2 sides is slid into the cornerstone cubie. Failure to do this will result in a locked up cube. For example, if your cornerstone is R-Y-B, one sandwich will be between the 2 cubies with a red face, and the other will be between those with a yellow face. Again, the longer sides must be in the cornerstone cubie. The 9-degree angle of the sandwich should point toward what will be the center of the cube. Take 2 of the even-sided sandwiches and place them in the other 2 spaces between the cubies. The 4 sandwiches will probably slide together toward the center, but you'll fix that in the next step. Take the third uneven sandwich piece and slide it into the cornerstone. Again, the longer side needs to be on the cornerstone's slot. Half of this sandwich should be sticking out because there are no cubies on the top. Take 3 of the even sandwiches and slide them the same way, so that you have a layer of 4 sandwiches hanging out above the bottom row of cubies. Now, you can drop the cross into the middle. Drop the cross into the space so that the 3 fixed rooks are touching the 3 sides of the cornerstone cubie. Use the cross to push the 4 bottom sandwiches out away from the center of the cube while you drop it into place. Slide the rest of the rooks onto the other 3 arms. >From here, it's going to be tough. I really can't picture how I did this step anymore. You've got a solid start at this point, so it should alright to do trial and error to fit the last 4 cubies on. The cubies then need to slide over the sandwiches while they are being pushed over the rook pieces. Did one of the cubies break or pull apart? That's the only way I can think of this cube coming apart. If that is the case, then it should be the last cubie to be added to the assembly. Put the other 3 on, and then slide the panel into place, followed by the rest of the separated cubie. It should be completed. I would hold it very carefully and rotate across all 3 axes. Make sure you don't allow the broken cubie to come apart and make it all explode again. One you've determined that it's solid enough, slide the broken cubie apart and glue it together as you put it back on. If no panel came off, I have no idea how to put that last cubie on. I'm not even sure how they would have put it together at the factory. If that is the case, however, I'd find which one of the panels was attached at assembly time and try to pry it apart. Otherwise, it would be really difficult to re-assemble...or take apart while blindsolving, for that matter. Good luck...let us know how it turns out. And if I'm wrong on the piece count inside, let me know that too. This is the first time I've ever typed this all out, so I'd like to know if I remembered it correctly (it was 5 years ago when mine broke). I wish I could post pictures, but I'd have to break a glue bond to get mine apart again. Adam aplarsen@... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" <aznspazboi@...> wrote: > > I got my 2x2 yesterday and it poped as i was blindfold cubing with it. > Anyone know how to put it back together? > > Thanks > Corwin Shiu >

I am going to compete in Japan Open - 2007. I will be there from 26th evening to 31st early morning. I will be staying with my dad in Tokyo International Hostel. If any of you going to Japan Open - 2007, I am interested in meeting ou. Plz let me know. my e-mail id is bencube@... J.Bernett Orlando --------------------------------- Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How would you physically modify a 4x4x4 to run smoother? I bought one (Rubik's) on 9spuzzles and it was a piece of shit, so I took a file and some 400 grit sandpaper and began testing modifications - I think the puzzle was initially a lemon. All my attempts were unsuccessful, showing no benefit, but detriment instead. I have a new 4x4x4 that I'm beginning to break in, and after reading your posts (Ron, Pat, etc.) I'm curious if any of you have reduced the thickness of plastic of certain pieces in the 4x4x4 and successfully decreased the internal friction (similar to how you've done with the 5x5x5). Has anybody written something about this that I've not found? Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi everyone, On August 12th (sunday) I will have an informal cube meeting at my place in Rotterdam. Everyone is welcome from 11 in the morning untill late at night. Please let me know if you would like to come so I can have enough drinks/food/tables/chairs etc. The address will be Johannes Meulsteestraat 35 3065 HC Rotterdam

Maybe was that...I was afraid of shaving too much...and that was a really annoying job...lol...I was kinda tired of doing that...or maybe I was doing it wrong :P I lubed it several times already... Pedro "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@...> escreveu: Maybe you guys didn't shave enough off... or maybe use more silicone to make them run smoother. Of course you have to use your cube more to make it more loose, but it did a real job on my 5x5. On 7/22/07, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Yeah, I kinda feel the same way...I think the cube is a bit better, but > still hard to turn...like you said, specially the outer layers... > > and my best time so far is around 3:30 ;p > > so...after doing that modification, how much "work" is needed for the cube > to become good? (I already worked on it quite a bit, lubed and so...) > > Pedro > > Michael Gottlieb <mzrg@... <mzrg%40verizon.net>> escreveu: I > finally got around to doing this on my 5x5x5 cube. > > > Well, my experience is that although doing this modification did > improve the cube a bit it is definitely not a 'silver bullet'... it's > still hard to turn, especially the outer slices, and I don't feel that > I would be able to "set times under 2 minutes" with this cube unless I > did serious strength training on my fingers and wrists. > > I did do an average of 12 on the cube, to see if it would improve a > bit with time, and the best solve of the average was 2:14. That's not > that bad, but I wouldn't be any more likely to call my cube 'fast' > than I would before. > > --Michael Gottlieb > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Ron van Bruchem" > <ron@...> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > minutes. > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side > of the > > outer edges. Check out > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > (red part > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > enough). > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because > for > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > Michael Fung > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Michael Gottlieb" > > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think that > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that these > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in over > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose and > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a Rubik's > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

5x5x5 can be done intuitively with only 1 extra (really easy) algorithm. I made video tutorials for it: http://www.youtube.com/arnaudvg ----- Original Message ----- From: segnet3745117 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] learning on big cubes I started solving with the solution that was available from the mail in form that came with my 3x3x3 R/C. I've never learned another method. I don't consider myself a speed cuber, but can do it in less that 2 min. easy. I've since purchased a meffert's 4x and 5x and have learned how to solve using the solution for the 5x on that site. (but still use my already learned method to set the bottom 4 corners) and bottom edges. then I use: 1) B u' B' u B' r' B r and 2) B H' B' H B' M' B M and 3) B d B' d' B' l B l to move and set 3 sets of edges also sometimes a slice is in BL+ BR+ FL- and FR- so I do move 1,2,or 3 above then... (UuH) D' then do move 1,2,or 3 again. and then move D' and u',H', or d to put it all back again. then a variation of that for the points and crosses around the centers precede with F and R turns as required then... 4) b u' b' u Bb' r' b r B for the points and 5) b H' b' H Bb' M' b M B for the crosses undo the F and R turns previously made. often I turn the mirror of the above moves looking at the left face instead of the right face as above noted as needed. (I haven't been good enough to do the inverse of these moves yet without messing up) I just do them twice when I need too. I've tried to solve the 4x and 5x with a method I found online at www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html (step 6) that solves the centers first then sets the edges together, and then goes about solving just as if it where a 3x3. I like this idea, but am finding it very difficult as there are too many algs to remember for moving the edges around without disrupting the centers. I also find it uncomfortable to work the back of the cube like that does. anyone got a helpful idea? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Does anyone have any tips for F2L? My F2L avg is about 21 seconds. My cross to F2L time is bad too, I'm not that great with cross, I get 4-7 sec there. Should I know what color is left of blue and stuff? Should I do d and d' turns on F2L and learn them from all different angles? I need some expert help because I plan to average sub 20 by the end of this year. :)

Wow, thanks for all the info. Unfortunately, it was a pop, so no pieces were damaged. That made the last piece impossible(at least for me) to pull it over the wedge thing. I plan on buying a 2x2 eastsheen later, so hopefully that doesn't happen again. Thanks though. Oh and you did get all the pieces right =) Corwin Shiu --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Adam P. Larsen" <aplarsen@...> wrote: > > I blew mine up once too. I think I superglued it together the last > time, so I won't be able to take it apart and give you (and everyone > else) really good directions. However, I do remember most of how I > did it because I had to do trial and error to re-assemble, and I was > unable to find any kind of hints on the web. > > Make sure you have all the pieces first. I was missing one for the > first several attempts, and I made it nowhere. There should be a > 3-dimensional cross with 6 axles on it. There should be 3 pieces that > are shaped like chess rooks (like a castles spire) that fit over the > axles and spin freely. The other 3 rook shapes are just like the 3 > fixed axles on the cross. You should also have 12 pieces shaped like > strange sandwiches. 3 of them are different from the others...they > have a side that is longer than the other. The last, of course, are > the 8 cubies. > > Pick one of the corners to be your cornerstone. Make it > red-yellow-blue if your cube has one. Start assembling the bottom > level of the cube, with the blue side down. You must assemble it > correctly, but I'm assuming you knew that if you're blindsolving. ;) > > Once you have the 4 bottom cubies lying on the table, take 2 of the > sandwiches with a longer side and drop them between the cubies so that > the longer side of the sandwich is inside the slot on the cornerstone > side. MAKE SURE that the longer of the 2 sides is slid into the > cornerstone cubie. Failure to do this will result in a locked up > cube. For example, if your cornerstone is R-Y-B, one sandwich will be > between the 2 cubies with a red face, and the other will be between > those with a yellow face. Again, the longer sides must be in the > cornerstone cubie. The 9-degree angle of the sandwich should point > toward what will be the center of the cube. > > Take 2 of the even-sided sandwiches and place them in the other 2 > spaces between the cubies. The 4 sandwiches will probably slide > together toward the center, but you'll fix that in the next step. > > Take the third uneven sandwich piece and slide it into the > cornerstone. Again, the longer side needs to be on the cornerstone's > slot. Half of this sandwich should be sticking out because there are > no cubies on the top. Take 3 of the even sandwiches and slide them > the same way, so that you have a layer of 4 sandwiches hanging out > above the bottom row of cubies. > > Now, you can drop the cross into the middle. Drop the cross into the > space so that the 3 fixed rooks are touching the 3 sides of the > cornerstone cubie. Use the cross to push the 4 bottom sandwiches out > away from the center of the cube while you drop it into place. Slide > the rest of the rooks onto the other 3 arms. > > From here, it's going to be tough. I really can't picture how I did > this step anymore. You've got a solid start at this point, so it > should alright to do trial and error to fit the last 4 cubies on. > > The cubies then need to slide over the sandwiches while they are being > pushed over the rook pieces. Did one of the cubies break or pull > apart? That's the only way I can think of this cube coming apart. If > that is the case, then it should be the last cubie to be added to the > assembly. Put the other 3 on, and then slide the panel into place, > followed by the rest of the separated cubie. > > It should be completed. I would hold it very carefully and rotate > across all 3 axes. Make sure you don't allow the broken cubie to come > apart and make it all explode again. One you've determined that it's > solid enough, slide the broken cubie apart and glue it together as you > put it back on. > > If no panel came off, I have no idea how to put that last cubie on. > I'm not even sure how they would have put it together at the factory. > If that is the case, however, I'd find which one of the panels was > attached at assembly time and try to pry it apart. Otherwise, it > would be really difficult to re-assemble...or take apart while > blindsolving, for that matter. > > Good luck...let us know how it turns out. And if I'm wrong on the > piece count inside, let me know that too. This is the first time I've > ever typed this all out, so I'd like to know if I remembered it > correctly (it was 5 years ago when mine broke). I wish I could post > pictures, but I'd have to break a glue bond to get mine apart again. > > Adam > aplarsen@... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" > <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > I got my 2x2 yesterday and it poped as i was blindfold cubing with it. > > Anyone know how to put it back together? > > > > Thanks > > Corwin Shiu > > >

I have now posted some pictures: http://www.gillesvdp.com/cube/index.php/2007/07/23/3-czech-open-2007-pictures Hope you like them. :-) Gilles --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I justs finished my report about the Czech Open 2007. > It can be found here : > http://www.gillesvdp.com/cube/index.php/2007/07/21/2-czech-open-2007 > > Hope you like it! > Feel free to leave comments. :-) > Gilles >

I think you need to know the colorscheme of your cube. An easy way is this (somewhat philosophical): There are 3 elements on the cube, spread on opposite sides each: Water (Green-Blue) Fire (Red-Orange) Light (White-Yellow) If you look at a cube you always see three colors and from that you can immediately know what the other three are. If you want to know your color-scheme even better you can practice by looking at only 2 colors and calculate the other 4 (hint: BOY or Blue-Orange-Yellow). A very good way to practice this is Ortega on a 2x2x2 or Centers on a 4x4x4. If you learned how to do F2L intuitively, check to see if you don't wast to many moves. 7 moves is the average. Learning F2L from all angles is a good thing and if you learned F2L intuitively this should come naturally. This also means that d and d' turns will not be necessary very often. Don't be afraid to use cube-rotations to avoid a B' U B situation though! And 4 to 7 seconds for cross should become 2 to 3 seconds. You can plan those 7 moves for 15 seconds! It seems that you know what you can do to improve so all you need to do is train, train, train and than practice, practice, practice. (P.S. I don't use regular F2L myself. I use a simpler but slower version of it called keyhole. I can average around 15/16 seconds for Cross+F2L) ----- Original Message ----- From: ltunreal To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] F2L tips?? Does anyone have any tips for F2L? My F2L avg is about 21 seconds. My cross to F2L time is bad too, I'm not that great with cross, I get 4-7 sec there. Should I know what color is left of blue and stuff? Should I do d and d' turns on F2L and learn them from all different angles? I need some expert help because I plan to average sub 20 by the end of this year. :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey the Group discription says you can join the chatroom on weekends.... Yahoo shut down the YahooGroups chat rooms A LONG TIME AGO. The owner and/or moderators may want to update the Group description.

More pictures would be appreciated, but those give a good impression about the entire 4 days. (I really wish we had a video of the "Excuse me, can I have a big Cola"->"NO!" and "Is this pizza home made"->"Ananas" conversations) ----- Original Message ----- From: gillesvdp To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Czech Open 2007 - Report I have now posted some pictures: http://www.gillesvdp.com/cube/index.php/2007/07/23/3-czech-open-2007-pictures Hope you like them. :-) Gilles --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I justs finished my report about the Czech Open 2007. > It can be found here : > http://www.gillesvdp.com/cube/index.php/2007/07/21/2-czech-open-2007 > > Hope you like it! > Feel free to leave comments. :-) > Gilles > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You can check www.speedcubing.ch for Thomas' pictures. ;-) Gilles 2007/7/23, Arnaud van Galen <avgalen@...>: > > More pictures would be appreciated, but those give a good impression > about the entire 4 days. > > (I really wish we had a video of the "Excuse me, can I have a big > Cola"->"NO!" and "Is this pizza home made"->"Ananas" conversations) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gillesvdp > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:22 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Czech Open 2007 - Report > > I have now posted some pictures: > > > http://www.gillesvdp.com/cube/index.php/2007/07/23/3-czech-open-2007-pictures > > Hope you like them. :-) > Gilles > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "gillesvdp" > <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I justs finished my report about the Czech Open 2007. > > It can be found here : > > http://www.gillesvdp.com/cube/index.php/2007/07/21/2-czech-open-2007 > > > > Hope you like it! > > Feel free to leave comments. :-) > > Gilles > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you James for pointing that out, I had not noticed to be honest. I've updated the description accordingly. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...> wrote: > > > Hey the Group discription says you can join the chatroom on weekends.... > Yahoo shut down the YahooGroups chat rooms A LONG TIME AGO. The owner > and/or moderators may want to update the Group description. >

Glad to know I had most of it right. If you look on all of the cubies, you should be able to find one that has a seam on it. That's where mine came apart. One of those slide-over panels should be able to pop off, even if it requires a bit of forcing. Adam --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin Shiu" <aznspazboi@...> wrote: > > Wow, thanks for all the info. Unfortunately, it was a pop, so no > pieces were damaged. That made the last piece impossible(at least for > me) to pull it over the wedge thing. I plan on buying a 2x2 eastsheen > later, so hopefully that doesn't happen again. Thanks though. Oh and > you did get all the pieces right =) > > Corwin Shiu > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Adam P. Larsen" > <aplarsen@> wrote: > > > > I blew mine up once too. I think I superglued it together the last > > time, so I won't be able to take it apart and give you (and everyone > > else) really good directions. However, I do remember most of how I > > did it because I had to do trial and error to re-assemble, and I was > > unable to find any kind of hints on the web. > > > > Make sure you have all the pieces first. I was missing one for the > > first several attempts, and I made it nowhere. There should be a > > 3-dimensional cross with 6 axles on it. There should be 3 pieces that > > are shaped like chess rooks (like a castles spire) that fit over the > > axles and spin freely. The other 3 rook shapes are just like the 3 > > fixed axles on the cross. You should also have 12 pieces shaped like > > strange sandwiches. 3 of them are different from the others...they > > have a side that is longer than the other. The last, of course, are > > the 8 cubies. > > > > Pick one of the corners to be your cornerstone. Make it > > red-yellow-blue if your cube has one. Start assembling the bottom > > level of the cube, with the blue side down. You must assemble it > > correctly, but I'm assuming you knew that if you're blindsolving. ;) > > > > Once you have the 4 bottom cubies lying on the table, take 2 of the > > sandwiches with a longer side and drop them between the cubies so that > > the longer side of the sandwich is inside the slot on the cornerstone > > side. MAKE SURE that the longer of the 2 sides is slid into the > > cornerstone cubie. Failure to do this will result in a locked up > > cube. For example, if your cornerstone is R-Y-B, one sandwich will be > > between the 2 cubies with a red face, and the other will be between > > those with a yellow face. Again, the longer sides must be in the > > cornerstone cubie. The 9-degree angle of the sandwich should point > > toward what will be the center of the cube. > > > > Take 2 of the even-sided sandwiches and place them in the other 2 > > spaces between the cubies. The 4 sandwiches will probably slide > > together toward the center, but you'll fix that in the next step. > > > > Take the third uneven sandwich piece and slide it into the > > cornerstone. Again, the longer side needs to be on the cornerstone's > > slot. Half of this sandwich should be sticking out because there are > > no cubies on the top. Take 3 of the even sandwiches and slide them > > the same way, so that you have a layer of 4 sandwiches hanging out > > above the bottom row of cubies. > > > > Now, you can drop the cross into the middle. Drop the cross into the > > space so that the 3 fixed rooks are touching the 3 sides of the > > cornerstone cubie. Use the cross to push the 4 bottom sandwiches out > > away from the center of the cube while you drop it into place. Slide > > the rest of the rooks onto the other 3 arms. > > > > From here, it's going to be tough. I really can't picture how I did > > this step anymore. You've got a solid start at this point, so it > > should alright to do trial and error to fit the last 4 cubies on. > > > > The cubies then need to slide over the sandwiches while they are being > > pushed over the rook pieces. Did one of the cubies break or pull > > apart? That's the only way I can think of this cube coming apart. If > > that is the case, then it should be the last cubie to be added to the > > assembly. Put the other 3 on, and then slide the panel into place, > > followed by the rest of the separated cubie. > > > > It should be completed. I would hold it very carefully and rotate > > across all 3 axes. Make sure you don't allow the broken cubie to come > > apart and make it all explode again. One you've determined that it's > > solid enough, slide the broken cubie apart and glue it together as you > > put it back on. > > > > If no panel came off, I have no idea how to put that last cubie on. > > I'm not even sure how they would have put it together at the factory. > > If that is the case, however, I'd find which one of the panels was > > attached at assembly time and try to pry it apart. Otherwise, it > > would be really difficult to re-assemble...or take apart while > > blindsolving, for that matter. > > > > Good luck...let us know how it turns out. And if I'm wrong on the > > piece count inside, let me know that too. This is the first time I've > > ever typed this all out, so I'd like to know if I remembered it > > correctly (it was 5 years ago when mine broke). I wish I could post > > pictures, but I'd have to break a glue bond to get mine apart again. > > > > Adam > > aplarsen@ > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin" > > <aznspazboi@> wrote: > > > > > > I got my 2x2 yesterday and it poped as i was blindfold cubing with it. > > > Anyone know how to put it back together? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Corwin Shiu > > > > > >

I only started cubing about a month ago, and figured my cube was normal. However, I recently talked a friend into purchasing one. His, right out of the box feels MUCH looser than mine. I've not used silicon on it yet, but will be soon. Is it normal for some cubes to just be tighter than others straight from the factory? If so, how can I make it faster for speed cubing? Do I understand correctly I can no longer access the screws and springs? I have a Rubik's brand cube like: https://secure.rubiks.com/images/lvl4/produc/products/rubbrn/clasic/cubh ex.gif Also, where can I purchase one of the rounded Olympic 7x7 cubes? TIA!

I watched your videos on 5x edges and centers. an excelent job! very helpfull. however, Im haveing trouble seeing it slow enough to get it down. can you put the algs for the edges in writing here? thanx it looks like you are dividing it into 2 parts with a setup move in between. does it matter where you "store" the completed edges?are there any spots you should not put them to avoid messing them up? yesterday I discovered a method(on the 4x ) that puts an edge together and stores it in the U slice. when it's full you turn the cube over (make U the D and D the U ) and build and store 4 more. leaving 4 working edges. then there is more special moves to fix them. I dont have it down yet. (i like your method better). I'd love to have it in writing so i can print it out. does your method also work on the 4x? of cource you wont have a center edge piece to aim for. one will just have to imagine one I guess. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > 5x5x5 can be done intuitively with only 1 extra (really easy) algorithm. I made video tutorials for it: http://www.youtube.com/arnaudvg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: segnet3745117 > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:31 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] learning on big cubes > > > I started solving with the solution that was available from the mail > in form that came with my 3x3x3 R/C. > > I've never learned another method. I don't consider myself a speed > cuber, but can do it in less that 2 min. easy. > > I've since purchased a meffert's 4x and 5x and have learned how to > solve using the solution for the 5x on that site. (but still use my > already learned method to set the bottom 4 corners) and bottom edges. > then I use: > 1) B u' B' u B' r' B r and > 2) B H' B' H B' M' B M and > 3) B d B' d' B' l B l to move and set 3 sets of edges > > also sometimes a slice is in BL+ BR+ FL- and FR- so I do > move 1,2,or 3 above then... > > (UuH) D' > > then do move 1,2,or 3 again. > and then move D' and u',H', or d to put it all back again. then a > variation of that for the points and crosses around the centers > > precede with F and R turns as required then... > > 4) b u' b' u Bb' r' b r B for the points and > 5) b H' b' H Bb' M' b M B for the crosses > > undo the F and R turns previously made. > > often I turn the mirror of the above moves looking at the left face > instead of the right face as above noted as needed. > > (I haven't been good enough to do the inverse of these moves yet > without messing up) I just do them twice when I need too. > > I've tried to solve the 4x and 5x with a method I found online at > www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html (step 6) that solves the > centers first then sets the edges together, and then goes about > solving just as if it where a 3x3. > > I like this idea, but am finding it very difficult as there are too > many algs to remember for moving the edges around without disrupting > the centers. > > I also find it uncomfortable to work the back of the cube like that > does. > > anyone got a helpful idea? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Thanks for the help Jon, your site is very helpful with the java cubes and all, and it will be even better when it can clear up some uncovered details. it left me with a lot of questions... like this...(quotation from your site) "pairing up edges can be done almost entirely with the method shown below, the idea is a very familiar one, fix something, replace it with something else that isn't fixed to move the fixed group out of the way, then restore what part was broke while fixing the first group." this is so generic, it leaves me wondering how to setup, where to position the edges, where not to put solved ones etc... how not to undo already done edges. how many solved edges are able to be done this way before another method must be used, if any. forgive me if I've missed something here, I am a beginner at cubing, Ive only "learned algs" to blindly handle what needs done. never really understanding whats going on. just being amazed every time I get to a solved state. (following detailed instructions) and have been able to get somewhat good at it on the 3x. being "intuitive" is something I'm not to good at yet. segnet --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Choi" <quirkcorsair566@...> wrote: > > Okay, I just read the first couple paragraphs (up to the algorithms) > and your last one. AlchemistMatt's site is very bad, in my opinion. > The fastest solve I managed to pull of using his method was still > super-6 (centers 2.5-3 min, edges 3 min, 3x3x3 1 min). The concepts > are okay, but the algorithms are not. Centers should be done > intuitively and the first 10 edges also intuitively. Check out > bigcubes.com. > > There is also nothing stopping you from making cube rotations and > applying the algorithms from a different angle. > > Hope it helps. > > Jon Choi > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" > <segnet3745117@> wrote: > > > > I started solving with the solution that was available from the mail > > in form that came with my 3x3x3 R/C. > > > > I've never learned another method. I don't consider myself a speed > > cuber, but can do it in less that 2 min. easy. > > > > I've since purchased a meffert's 4x and 5x and have learned how to > > solve using the solution for the 5x on that site. (but still use my > > already learned method to set the bottom 4 corners) and bottom edges. > > then I use: > > 1) B u' B' u B' r' B r and > > 2) B H' B' H B' M' B M and > > 3) B d B' d' B' l B l to move and set 3 sets of edges > > > > > > also sometimes a slice is in BL+ BR+ FL- and FR- so I do > > move 1,2,or 3 above then... > > > > (UuH) D' > > > > then do move 1,2,or 3 again. > > and then move D' and u',H', or d to put it all back again. then a > > variation of that for the points and crosses around the centers > > > > precede with F and R turns as required then... > > > > 4) b u' b' u Bb' r' b r B for the points and > > 5) b H' b' H Bb' M' b M B for the crosses > > > > undo the F and R turns previously made. > > > > often I turn the mirror of the above moves looking at the left face > > instead of the right face as above noted as needed. > > > > (I haven't been good enough to do the inverse of these moves yet > > without messing up) I just do them twice when I need too. > > > > I've tried to solve the 4x and 5x with a method I found online at > > www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html (step 6) that solves the > > centers first then sets the edges together, and then goes about > > solving just as if it where a 3x3. > > > > I like this idea, but am finding it very difficult as there are too > > many algs to remember for moving the edges around without disrupting > > the centers. > > > > I also find it uncomfortable to work the back of the cube like that > > does. > > > > anyone got a helpful idea? > > >

Yes. That's normal. If you want a cube more suitable for speedcubing, you can try your luck with another store bought cube, or you can buy one of the DIY kits from Rubiks.com, which allows you to adjust the tightness of the screws. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "neilmbrewer" <nbrewer@...> wrote: > > I only started cubing about a month ago, and figured my cube was > normal. However, I recently talked a friend into purchasing one. His, > right out of the box feels MUCH looser than mine. I've not used silicon > on it yet, but will be soon. Is it normal for some cubes to just be > tighter than others straight from the factory? If so, how can I make it > faster for speed cubing? Do I understand correctly I can no longer > access the screws and springs? > I have a Rubik's brand cube like: > https://secure.rubiks.com/images/lvl4/produc/products/rubbrn/clasic/c ubh > ex.gif > > Also, where can I purchase one of the rounded Olympic 7x7 cubes? > > TIA! >

well not to be a party pooper but that is actually mine and frank morris' site, maybe i can help you with your misunderstandings. the main idea in the beginner edges method is that you do have a lot of freedom so that's why it sounds so generic, if you're using the basic method there is very few things you can do to screw up fixed edges already, and there isn't really a setup just get the pieces across from each other as shown in the example applet, slice them together, and when you kick it to either side, don't replace it with an edge you've already fixed. simple as that. however i recommend that you check out the advanced method as it is much better, and the same basic ideas apply, the only difference is there is a ring that you dpnt want fixed edges ( either E or M for most cubers) if you'd like to message me on yim feel free to do so at anytime, glad you like the site segnet3745117 <segnet3745117@...> wrote: Thanks for the help Jon, your site is very helpful with the java cubes and all, and it will be even better when it can clear up some uncovered details. it left me with a lot of questions... like this...(quotation from your site) "pairing up edges can be done almost entirely with the method shown below, the idea is a very familiar one, fix something, replace it with something else that isn't fixed to move the fixed group out of the way, then restore what part was broke while fixing the first group." this is so generic, it leaves me wondering how to setup, where to position the edges, where not to put solved ones etc... how not to undo already done edges. how many solved edges are able to be done this way before another method must be used, if any. forgive me if I've missed something here, I am a beginner at cubing, Ive only "learned algs" to blindly handle what needs done. never really understanding whats going on. just being amazed every time I get to a solved state. (following detailed instructions) and have been able to get somewhat good at it on the 3x. being "intuitive" is something I'm not to good at yet. segnet --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Choi" <quirkcorsair566@...> wrote: > > Okay, I just read the first couple paragraphs (up to the algorithms) > and your last one. AlchemistMatt's site is very bad, in my opinion. > The fastest solve I managed to pull of using his method was still > super-6 (centers 2.5-3 min, edges 3 min, 3x3x3 1 min). The concepts > are okay, but the algorithms are not. Centers should be done > intuitively and the first 10 edges also intuitively. Check out > bigcubes.com. > > There is also nothing stopping you from making cube rotations and > applying the algorithms from a different angle. > > Hope it helps. > > Jon Choi > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" > <segnet3745117@> wrote: > > > > I started solving with the solution that was available from the mail > > in form that came with my 3x3x3 R/C. > > > > I've never learned another method. I don't consider myself a speed > > cuber, but can do it in less that 2 min. easy. > > > > I've since purchased a meffert's 4x and 5x and have learned how to > > solve using the solution for the 5x on that site. (but still use my > > already learned method to set the bottom 4 corners) and bottom edges. > > then I use: > > 1) B u' B' u B' r' B r and > > 2) B H' B' H B' M' B M and > > 3) B d B' d' B' l B l to move and set 3 sets of edges > > > > > > also sometimes a slice is in BL+ BR+ FL- and FR- so I do > > move 1,2,or 3 above then... > > > > (UuH) D' > > > > then do move 1,2,or 3 again. > > and then move D' and u',H', or d to put it all back again. then a > > variation of that for the points and crosses around the centers > > > > precede with F and R turns as required then... > > > > 4) b u' b' u Bb' r' b r B for the points and > > 5) b H' b' H Bb' M' b M B for the crosses > > > > undo the F and R turns previously made. > > > > often I turn the mirror of the above moves looking at the left face > > instead of the right face as above noted as needed. > > > > (I haven't been good enough to do the inverse of these moves yet > > without messing up) I just do them twice when I need too. > > > > I've tried to solve the 4x and 5x with a method I found online at > > www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html (step 6) that solves the > > centers first then sets the edges together, and then goes about > > solving just as if it where a 3x3. > > > > I like this idea, but am finding it very difficult as there are too > > many algs to remember for moving the edges around without disrupting > > the centers. > > > > I also find it uncomfortable to work the back of the cube like that > > does. > > > > anyone got a helpful idea? > > > --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Okay I'll learn my color scheme, that's probably why I'm not so good with the cross. Thanks. :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I think you need to know the colorscheme of your cube. An easy way is this (somewhat philosophical): > > There are 3 elements on the cube, spread on opposite sides each: > Water (Green-Blue) > Fire (Red-Orange) > Light (White-Yellow) > > If you look at a cube you always see three colors and from that you can immediately know what the other three are. If you want to know your color-scheme even better you can practice by looking at only 2 colors and calculate the other 4 (hint: BOY or Blue-Orange-Yellow). A very good way to practice this is Ortega on a 2x2x2 or Centers on a 4x4x4. > > If you learned how to do F2L intuitively, check to see if you don't wast to many moves. 7 moves is the average. > > Learning F2L from all angles is a good thing and if you learned F2L intuitively this should come naturally. This also means that d and d' turns will not be necessary very often. Don't be afraid to use cube-rotations to avoid a B' U B situation though! > > And 4 to 7 seconds for cross should become 2 to 3 seconds. You can plan those 7 moves for 15 seconds! > > It seems that you know what you can do to improve so all you need to do is train, train, train and than practice, practice, practice. > > (P.S. I don't use regular F2L myself. I use a simpler but slower version of it called keyhole. I can average around 15/16 seconds for Cross+F2L) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ltunreal > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] F2L tips?? > > > Does anyone have any tips for F2L? My F2L avg is about 21 seconds. My > cross to F2L time is bad too, I'm not that great with cross, I get 4-7 > sec there. Should I know what color is left of blue and stuff? Should > I do d and d' turns on F2L and learn them from all different angles? I > need some expert help because I plan to average sub 20 by the end of > this year. :) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Maybe Ron or Per have somemore tips. I just wrote what I did, and it worked fine with me. On 7/23/07, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Maybe was that...I was afraid of shaving too much...and that was a > really annoying job...lol...I was kinda tired of doing that...or maybe I was > doing it wrong :P > > I lubed it several times already... > > Pedro > > "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@... <pjkcards%40gmail.com>> escreveu: Maybe > you guys didn't shave enough off... or maybe use more silicone to make > them run smoother. Of course you have to use your cube more to make it > more > loose, but it did a real job on my 5x5. > > On 7/22/07, Pedro <pedrosino1@yahoo.com.br <pedrosino1%40yahoo.com.br>> > wrote: > > > > Yeah, I kinda feel the same way...I think the cube is a bit better, but > > still hard to turn...like you said, specially the outer layers... > > > > and my best time so far is around 3:30 ;p > > > > so...after doing that modification, how much "work" is needed for the > cube > > to become good? (I already worked on it quite a bit, lubed and so...) > > > > Pedro > > > > Michael Gottlieb <mzrg@verizon.net <mzrg%40verizon.net><mzrg%40verizon.net>> escreveu: I > > finally got around to doing this on my 5x5x5 cube. > > > > > > Well, my experience is that although doing this modification did > > improve the cube a bit it is definitely not a 'silver bullet'... it's > > still hard to turn, especially the outer slices, and I don't feel that > > I would be able to "set times under 2 minutes" with this cube unless I > > did serious strength training on my fingers and wrists. > > > > I did do an average of 12 on the cube, to see if it would improve a > > bit with time, and the best solve of the average was 2:14. That's not > > that bad, but I wouldn't be any more likely to call my cube 'fast' > > than I would before. > > > > --Michael Gottlieb > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Ron van Bruchem" > > <ron@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > > minutes. > > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side > > of the > > > outer edges. Check out > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > > (red part > > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > > enough). > > > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because > > for > > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > > > Michael Fung > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Michael Gottlieb" > > > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in > the > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > that > > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > these > > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in > over > > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose > and > > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a > Rubik's > > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Alex, When I got my 4x4 Rubiks, it was very tight. However, I messed with it somewhat, then added silicone, and within a couple days it was perfect for me. I am not sure how common it is, but it is the same now as it was back then, and I really like it. Sub-60 second solves are for sure possible on it. On 7/22/07, Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: > > How would you physically modify a 4x4x4 to run smoother? I bought one > (Rubik's) on 9spuzzles and it was a piece of shit, so I took a file and > some > 400 grit sandpaper and began testing modifications - I think the puzzle > was > initially a lemon. All my attempts were unsuccessful, showing no benefit, > but detriment instead. > > I have a new 4x4x4 that I'm beginning to break in, and after reading your > posts (Ron, Pat, etc.) I'm curious if any of you have reduced the > thickness > of plastic of certain pieces in the 4x4x4 and successfully decreased the > internal friction (similar to how you've done with the 5x5x5). > > Has anybody written something about this that I've not found? > > Alex > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi everyone, The UK Open 2007 website has been launched, you can register to take part in the competition which takes place on Saturday, November 10th. The website can be found at http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/index.php?page=ukchamps2007/index or http://tinyurl.com/2juj3h If you have any queries, drop me a line, you know the address :) All the best, DanH

Perhaps you would consider sending it to me then? :) I lubed my brand new 4x4x4 with silicon, and it immediately went too loose. It has more lock-ups than a high security prison. Now I am desperately in need of a competition 4x4x4 :( Cheers, Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > Alex, > When I got my 4x4 Rubiks, it was very tight. However, I messed with it > somewhat, then added silicone, and within a couple days it was perfect for > me. I am not sure how common it is, but it is the same now as it was back > then, and I really like it. Sub-60 second solves are for sure possible on > it. > > On 7/22/07, Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: > > > > How would you physically modify a 4x4x4 to run smoother? I bought one > > (Rubik's) on 9spuzzles and it was a piece of shit, so I took a file and > > some > > 400 grit sandpaper and began testing modifications - I think the puzzle > > was > > initially a lemon. All my attempts were unsuccessful, showing no benefit, > > but detriment instead. > > > > I have a new 4x4x4 that I'm beginning to break in, and after reading your > > posts (Ron, Pat, etc.) I'm curious if any of you have reduced the > > thickness > > of plastic of certain pieces in the 4x4x4 and successfully decreased the > > internal friction (similar to how you've done with the 5x5x5). > > > > Has anybody written something about this that I've not found? > > > > Alex > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hmmm .. More tips? Well dont shave off too much or you will have problems with twisting corner centers. There should be some sanding mod that fixes this terrible problem, but i haven't figured out how yet. Another thing to do to make the cube more loose that i haven't got round to try out yet is to shave off underneath the "center plates". No not the small external ones, i mean the bigger ones below that. Those who hold the central edges and corners in place. Do this at your own risk !! You have been warned. Yet another (expensive) tip is to make hybrid cube witk rubiks.com pieces and mefferts core. Then yuo get adjustable tension and smooth well moulded cubies. The mefferts molding has a lower quality IMHO :D -Per --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > Maybe Ron or Per have somemore tips. I just wrote what I did, and it worked > fine with me. > > On 7/23/07, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > > > Maybe was that...I was afraid of shaving too much...and that was a > > really annoying job...lol...I was kinda tired of doing that...or maybe I was > > doing it wrong :P > > > > I lubed it several times already... > > > > Pedro > > > > "Pat (PJK)" <pjkcards@... <pjkcards%40gmail.com>> escreveu: Maybe > > you guys didn't shave enough off... or maybe use more silicone to make > > them run smoother. Of course you have to use your cube more to make it > > more > > loose, but it did a real job on my 5x5. > > > > On 7/22/07, Pedro <pedrosino1@... <pedrosino1%40yahoo.com.br>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, I kinda feel the same way...I think the cube is a bit better, but > > > still hard to turn...like you said, specially the outer layers... > > > > > > and my best time so far is around 3:30 ;p > > > > > > so...after doing that modification, how much "work" is needed for the > > cube > > > to become good? (I already worked on it quite a bit, lubed and so...) > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > Michael Gottlieb <mzrg@... <mzrg%40verizon.net><mzrg% 40verizon.net>> escreveu: I > > > finally got around to doing this on my 5x5x5 cube. > > > > > > > > > Well, my experience is that although doing this modification did > > > improve the cube a bit it is definitely not a 'silver bullet'... it's > > > still hard to turn, especially the outer slices, and I don't feel that > > > I would be able to "set times under 2 minutes" with this cube unless I > > > did serious strength training on my fingers and wrists. > > > > > > I did do an average of 12 on the cube, to see if it would improve a > > > bit with time, and the best solve of the average was 2:14. That's not > > > that bad, but I wouldn't be any more likely to call my cube 'fast' > > > than I would before. > > > > > > --Michael Gottlieb > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Ron van Bruchem" > > > <ron@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > For 5x5x5 I can prepare a new cube in one week to set times under 2 > > > minutes. > > > > Basically what I do is scratch a very thin layer from the inner side > > > of the > > > > outer edges. Check out > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/images/outeredge.jpg for some details > > > (red part > > > > is scratched and smoothened a bit with a thin knife, maybe 0.1mm is > > > enough). > > > > > > > > The new version of rubiks.com 5x5 seems is much even better, because > > > for > > > > that version they already made the inner parts smaller. > > > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@> > > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:34 PM > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New Sq. 1 World Records > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand your argument. > > > > > > > > > Getting a loose cube there, one that times in the > > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > > > >that only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > > > > these times can be achieved on. > > > > > > > > Everyone can turn fast. You don't have to solve the cube to turn fast > > > > on it to try loosening the 5x5x5. And besides of it, it is more likely > > > > that people become fast cubers because they take a lot of time and > > > > effort to practice. So if someone never had a loose 5x5x5, apparently > > > > they don't practice a lot. So they will likely not be fast 5x5x5 > > > > cubers anyway. You have to suffer a bit (or maybe a lot) to become a > > > > fast cuber and have a loose cube. > > > > > > > > Michael Fung > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Michael Gottlieb" > > > > <mzrg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And anyone can have a loose cube, not just the best solvers. > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Perhaps this is true for the 3x3x3, where you can buy DIYs and > > > > > make them as tight or loose as you want within a week, but it is not > > > > > for the 5x5x5 event. Getting a loose cube there, one that times in > > the > > > > > 2:20s and below are possible on, takes a lot of time and effort, > > > > > months or even up to a year depending on who you ask. If you want a > > > > > cube that is truly fast, you have to move fast on it, and I think > > that > > > > > only someone who can achieve fast times can produce a cube that > > these > > > > > times can be achieved on. Perhaps the exception is the Olympic Cube, > > > > > but so far the only speedsolver with one of those (to my knowledge) > > > > > would definitely be considered one of the best solvers in the world. > > > > > > > > > > Besides - I have yet to see a competitor who solves the 5x5x5 in > > over > > > > > 4 minutes average use a Rubik's 5x5x5 that I would consider loose > > and > > > > > I have yet to see a competitor who does it in under 2:30 use a > > Rubik's > > > > > 5x5x5 that I would not consider loose. Even if you could get a loose > > > > > 5x5x5 out of the box, the disparity is definitely there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > My Webpage: http://www.pjkcubed.com > Computer Cleanup: http://www.cleancomputerhelp.com > Speedsolving Puzzles: http://www.rubiks.has.it > The TR Network: http://www.traderretreat.com/forum/index.php? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

is it bad to leave the glue on and then pu tiles?

If it really bothers you use some Goo-Gone to get it off, but it's not like it will affect your new tiles adversely if you leave it on. Old glue makes new stickers look kind of lumpy, but since you're using tiles it shouldn't be a problem. The next time you resticker the glue will come off with the stickers/tiles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mr_seagull_1 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > is it bad to leave the glue on and then pu tiles? >

I currently use Fridrich's method, with intuitive F2L pairs and a 3LLL. I know that this exact system, with no new algorithms or techniques, could get me down to the low 20s. However, I'm currently in low 40s or high 30s. The problem, of course, is that I don't practice... and therefore I have not really improved in the past year. Recently, though, I've taken new interest, especially because one of the people who I taught to cube is now getting better than me... which feels like a dagger in my heart, of course. But, I feel that learning new things gives me motivation to practice more, and is more exciting. . . whereas practicing my same method over and over again is less interesting to me. So, does anyone have any recommendations for new things I could learn to compliment my current method? My current method is pretty bland. Furthermore, I know this question probably has been asked about every week for the whole existence of this group, but what do people recommend for speeding up my 20-30 second F2L? david --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For speeding up F2L, nothing helps like practice, practice, practice. Focus on looking ahead so that you see what you're going to do next as you're working on your current pair. A good exercise is to do your F2L a little slower than you would normally do, but try to make your movements continuous, without pausing to look for pieces in between moves. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > I currently use Fridrich's method, with intuitive F2L pairs and a 3LLL. I know that this exact system, with no new algorithms or techniques, could get me down to the low 20s. However, I'm currently in low 40s or high 30s. > > The problem, of course, is that I don't practice... and therefore I have not really improved in the past year. Recently, though, I've taken new interest, especially because one of the people who I taught to cube is now getting better than me... which feels like a dagger in my heart, of course. > > But, I feel that learning new things gives me motivation to practice more, and is more exciting. . . whereas practicing my same method over and over again is less interesting to me. So, does anyone have any recommendations for new things I could learn to compliment my current method? My current method is pretty bland. > > Furthermore, I know this question probably has been asked about every week for the whole existence of this group, but what do people recommend for speeding up my 20-30 second F2L? > > david > > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

ok, i am currently doing F2l (intuitive), (then OELL Orientation of Edges Last Layer), then OCLL (Orientation of Corners Last Layer), and lastly PLL. (sorry if my abreviations are incorrect, but thats what i use). so my problem is i only know how to orient 2 edges at a time when i do EOLL. i use either F U R U' R' F' or F R U R' U' F' to orient the last 2 edges. I am looking for an alg where it can orient all 4 edges at once without having to do both of the above algs together. I seem to get the no-edge case alot, but am currently doing both algs in order to orientate all the edges. i think a shorter compound alg to orient all 4 algs would help improve my time for the cases where i have to orient all 4 edges. hope someone understands my explaination and has an answer! Thanks, Jeff P.S. -- i hope to learn complete OLL when i get some more time! ...but in the meantime :P

Jeff, You can use x' L' R U' L F2 L' U' R U' R2 L x. Another 4-edge flipper I use (for blindfolded) is (M' U)*4 (M U)*4. -Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff17237 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] much need algorithm ok, i am currently doing F2l (intuitive), (then OELL Orientation of Edges Last Layer), then OCLL (Orientation of Corners Last Layer), and lastly PLL. (sorry if my abreviations are incorrect, but thats what i use). so my problem is i only know how to orient 2 edges at a time when i do EOLL. i use either F U R U' R' F' or F R U R' U' F' to orient the last 2 edges. I am looking for an alg where it can orient all 4 edges at once without having to do both of the above algs together. I seem to get the no-edge case alot, but am currently doing both algs in order to orientate all the edges. i think a shorter compound alg to orient all 4 algs would help improve my time for the cases where i have to orient all 4 edges. hope someone understands my explaination and has an answer! Thanks, Jeff P.S. -- i hope to learn complete OLL when i get some more time! ...but in the meantime :P [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The cases where their are no edges correctly oriented are all long (algorithms). I suggest you learn each case first, 8 of them i believe, when you have time. In the meantime, r' R U R U R' U' r2 R2' U R U' r' is a fast 4 edge flipper i use. It is a no edge case, so you can knock one off your list to learn. If you are too lazy to memorize, you can do the (M' U)x4 (M U) x4 as Anthony stated, but i doubt its faster them what you use originally. Corwin Shiu --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > ok, i am currently doing F2l (intuitive), (then OELL Orientation of > Edges Last Layer), then OCLL (Orientation of Corners Last Layer), and > lastly PLL. (sorry if my abreviations are incorrect, but thats what i > use). so my problem is i only know how to orient 2 edges at a time > when i do EOLL. i use either F U R U' R' F' or F R U R' U' F' to > orient the last 2 edges. I am looking for an alg where it can orient > all 4 edges at once without having to do both of the above algs > together. I seem to get the no-edge case alot, but am currently doing > both algs in order to orientate all the edges. i think a shorter > compound alg to orient all 4 algs would help improve my time for the > cases where i have to orient all 4 edges. hope someone understands my > explaination and has an answer! > > Thanks, > Jeff > > P.S. -- i hope to learn complete OLL when i get some more time! ...but > in the meantime :P >

OH KAY IM NOT GETTING IT! HELP PLEASE I got down to the last two edges and cant seam to fix it. I have them in LF and RF edge piece dFR matches HFR I turn dRUR'd' (like in the video) and it messes up an edge piece that was in UB and puts it in (uR,HR,dL) also tried the parity fix ((Dd) B2)x5 doesnt seam to do anything but mess everything up again. HELP PLEASE! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > > I watched your videos on 5x edges and centers. an excelent job! very > helpfull. however, Im haveing trouble seeing it slow enough to get it > down. can you put the algs for the edges in writing here? > thanx > > it looks like you are dividing it into 2 parts with a setup move in > between. > does it matter where you "store" the completed edges?are there any > spots you should not put them to avoid messing them up? > > yesterday I discovered a method(on the 4x ) that puts an edge > together and stores it in the U slice. when it's full you turn the > cube over (make U the D and D the U ) and build and store 4 more. > leaving 4 working edges. then there is more special moves to fix them. > I dont have it down yet. (i like your method better). > > I'd love to have it in writing so i can print it out. > does your method also work on the 4x? of cource you wont have a > center edge piece to aim for. one will just have to imagine one I > guess. > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > 5x5x5 can be done intuitively with only 1 extra (really easy) > algorithm. I made video tutorials for it: > http://www.youtube.com/arnaudvg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: segnet3745117 > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:31 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] learning on big cubes > > > > > > I started solving with the solution that was available from the > mail > > in form that came with my 3x3x3 R/C. > > > > I've never learned another method. I don't consider myself a > speed > > cuber, but can do it in less that 2 min. easy. > > > > I've since purchased a meffert's 4x and 5x and have learned how > to > > solve using the solution for the 5x on that site. (but still use > my > > already learned method to set the bottom 4 corners) and bottom > edges. > > then I use: > > 1) B u' B' u B' r' B r and > > 2) B H' B' H B' M' B M and > > 3) B d B' d' B' l B l to move and set 3 sets of edges > > > > also sometimes a slice is in BL+ BR+ FL- and FR- so I do > > move 1,2,or 3 above then... > > > > (UuH) D' > > > > then do move 1,2,or 3 again. > > and then move D' and u',H', or d to put it all back again. then a > > variation of that for the points and crosses around the centers > > > > precede with F and R turns as required then... > > > > 4) b u' b' u Bb' r' b r B for the points and > > 5) b H' b' H Bb' M' b M B for the crosses > > > > undo the F and R turns previously made. > > > > often I turn the mirror of the above moves looking at the left > face > > instead of the right face as above noted as needed. > > > > (I haven't been good enough to do the inverse of these moves yet > > without messing up) I just do them twice when I need too. > > > > I've tried to solve the 4x and 5x with a method I found online at > > www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html (step 6) that solves the > > centers first then sets the edges together, and then goes about > > solving just as if it where a 3x3. > > > > I like this idea, but am finding it very difficult as there are > too > > many algs to remember for moving the edges around without > disrupting > > the centers. > > > > I also find it uncomfortable to work the back of the cube like > that > > does. > > > > anyone got a helpful idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

thanks for the responses corwin and anthony and i will surely try those out! -jeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Corwin Shiu" <aznspazboi@...> wrote: > > The cases where their are no edges correctly oriented are all long > (algorithms). I suggest you learn each case first, 8 of them i > believe, when you have time. In the meantime, r' R U R U R' U' r2 R2' > U R U' r' is a fast 4 edge flipper i use. It is a no edge case, so you > can knock one off your list to learn. If you are too lazy to memorize, > you can do the (M' U)x4 (M U) x4 as Anthony stated, but i doubt its > faster them what you use originally. > > Corwin Shiu > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > ok, i am currently doing F2l (intuitive), (then OELL Orientation of > > Edges Last Layer), then OCLL (Orientation of Corners Last Layer), and > > lastly PLL. (sorry if my abreviations are incorrect, but thats what i > > use). so my problem is i only know how to orient 2 edges at a time > > when i do EOLL. i use either F U R U' R' F' or F R U R' U' F' to > > orient the last 2 edges. I am looking for an alg where it can orient > > all 4 edges at once without having to do both of the above algs > > together. I seem to get the no-edge case alot, but am currently doing > > both algs in order to orientate all the edges. i think a shorter > > compound alg to orient all 4 algs would help improve my time for the > > cases where i have to orient all 4 edges. hope someone understands my > > explaination and has an answer! > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > P.S. -- i hope to learn complete OLL when i get some more time! ...but > > in the meantime :P > > >

ok when you get down to the last 2 tredges, take a picture, or make a drawing or something so we can see the state of the cube, then we will probably be able to see what error you are making segnet3745117 <segnet3745117@...> wrote: OH KAY IM NOT GETTING IT! HELP PLEASE I got down to the last two edges and cant seam to fix it. I have them in LF and RF edge piece dFR matches HFR I turn dRUR'd' (like in the video) and it messes up an edge piece that was in UB and puts it in (uR,HR,dL) also tried the parity fix ((Dd) B2)x5 doesnt seam to do anything but mess everything up again. HELP PLEASE! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "segnet3745117" <segnet3745117@...> wrote: > > > I watched your videos on 5x edges and centers. an excelent job! very > helpfull. however, Im haveing trouble seeing it slow enough to get it > down. can you put the algs for the edges in writing here? > thanx > > it looks like you are dividing it into 2 parts with a setup move in > between. > does it matter where you "store" the completed edges?are there any > spots you should not put them to avoid messing them up? > > yesterday I discovered a method(on the 4x ) that puts an edge > together and stores it in the U slice. when it's full you turn the > cube over (make U the D and D the U ) and build and store 4 more. > leaving 4 working edges. then there is more special moves to fix them. > I dont have it down yet. (i like your method better). > > I'd love to have it in writing so i can print it out. > does your method also work on the 4x? of cource you wont have a > center edge piece to aim for. one will just have to imagine one I > guess. > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > 5x5x5 can be done intuitively with only 1 extra (really easy) > algorithm. I made video tutorials for it: > http://www.youtube.com/arnaudvg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: segnet3745117 > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:31 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] learning on big cubes > > > > > > I started solving with the solution that was available from the > mail > > in form that came with my 3x3x3 R/C. > > > > I've never learned another method. I don't consider myself a > speed > > cuber, but can do it in less that 2 min. easy. > > > > I've since purchased a meffert's 4x and 5x and have learned how > to > > solve using the solution for the 5x on that site. (but still use > my > > already learned method to set the bottom 4 corners) and bottom > edges. > > then I use: > > 1) B u' B' u B' r' B r and > > 2) B H' B' H B' M' B M and > > 3) B d B' d' B' l B l to move and set 3 sets of edges > > > > also sometimes a slice is in BL+ BR+ FL- and FR- so I do > > move 1,2,or 3 above then... > > > > (UuH) D' > > > > then do move 1,2,or 3 again. > > and then move D' and u',H', or d to put it all back again. then a > > variation of that for the points and crosses around the centers > > > > precede with F and R turns as required then... > > > > 4) b u' b' u Bb' r' b r B for the points and > > 5) b H' b' H Bb' M' b M B for the crosses > > > > undo the F and R turns previously made. > > > > often I turn the mirror of the above moves looking at the left > face > > instead of the right face as above noted as needed. > > > > (I haven't been good enough to do the inverse of these moves yet > > without messing up) I just do them twice when I need too. > > > > I've tried to solve the 4x and 5x with a method I found online at > > www.alchemistmatt.com/cube/5by5cube.html (step 6) that solves the > > centers first then sets the edges together, and then goes about > > solving just as if it where a 3x3. > > > > I like this idea, but am finding it very difficult as there are > too > > many algs to remember for moving the edges around without > disrupting > > the centers. > > > > I also find it uncomfortable to work the back of the cube like > that > > does. > > > > anyone got a helpful idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"also tried the parity fix ((Dd) B2)x5 doesnt seam to do anything but mess everything up again." (segnet3745117) You should use the 4x4x4 dedge flip (parity) alg. It works on the 5x5 too -- flips two edge wings obviously. I've run into the ((Dd) B2)x5 alg before, however it can be written like this: ((Rr) U2)x5 (inherently easier), and this solves along the M slice instead of E. I wasn't ever sure how to apply it, unless the last 4 tredges made up 2 "edge flip/swap" (with parity) cases (on bigcubes). Maybe it's a quick parity fix if you can notice a parity on the last 4 edges without having solved any? (Clancy?) Bigcubes doesn't list that alg anyways, but it is shorter than the common 4x4x4 edge flip parity fix, though obviously doesn't isolate one tredge. As for your situation... look at the bigcubes page about the last two tredges and figure out which of those situations you have (Clancy and Frank listed all of them). When you say: "I got down to the last two edges and cant seam to fix it. I have them in LF and RF edge piece dFR matches HFR I turn dRUR'd' (like in the video) and it messes up an edge piece that was in UB and puts it in (uR,HR,dL)" ... we don't know what orientation those pieces have by how you've explained, and the orientation of each piece plays a part in determining the situation. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

yes that parity alg isn't the greatest, i like the 4x4 dedge flip much better, but there is a number of algs on the edges page that will fix parity. there is a way to tell very early in the last 4 edges if you have parity or not, and u can use any of those algs to fix it, and it will usually leave you with an easy case, this was left as a 'self-discovery' point for people that use the page, as explaining all the dynamics of it can get pretty ugly. ... we don't know what orientation those pieces have by how you've explained, and the orientation of each piece plays a part in determining the situation. this is a very true statment. i recommend just taking a picture or making a quick colored line drawing for us to check and then we can associate it to the proper case on the l2e page for bigcubes. you might even be able to do it yourself, just look for a case that matches yours, if you can't find one, then you need to flip one of the tredges upside down and you will have a listed case. hope this helps, if not bust out a picture and we'll get you fixed up Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: "also tried the parity fix ((Dd) B2)x5 doesnt seam to do anything but mess everything up again." (segnet3745117) You should use the 4x4x4 dedge flip (parity) alg. It works on the 5x5 too -- flips two edge wings obviously. I've run into the ((Dd) B2)x5 alg before, however it can be written like this: ((Rr) U2)x5 (inherently easier), and this solves along the M slice instead of E. I wasn't ever sure how to apply it, unless the last 4 tredges made up 2 "edge flip/swap" (with parity) cases (on bigcubes). Maybe it's a quick parity fix if you can notice a parity on the last 4 edges without having solved any? (Clancy?) Bigcubes doesn't list that alg anyways, but it is shorter than the common 4x4x4 edge flip parity fix, though obviously doesn't isolate one tredge. As for your situation... look at the bigcubes page about the last two tredges and figure out which of those situations you have (Clancy and Frank listed all of them). When you say: "I got down to the last two edges and cant seam to fix it. I have them in LF and RF edge piece dFR matches HFR I turn dRUR'd' (like in the video) and it messes up an edge piece that was in UB and puts it in (uR,HR,dL)" ... we don't know what orientation those pieces have by how you've explained, and the orientation of each piece plays a part in determining the situation. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Clancy, do you (or anybody you know, ie. Frank) solve 2 tredges at a time (or more)? or maybe 1 tredge and part of another simultaneously? I've tried this a little bit and am learning a bit about solving more than one at a time as well as setting up a quick second tredge while doing the first. (This is not during the last 4 tredges, but generally while solving them at any point before) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I like these algs: L' d' R' U' R B U' F R U R' U' F' L' d' R' U' R B U F R U R' U' F' On 7/25/07, jeff17237 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > orient the last 2 edges. I am looking for an alg where it can orient > all 4 edges at once without having to do both of the above algs > together. I seem to get the no-edge case alot, but am currently doing > both algs in order to orientate all the edges. i think a shorter > compound alg to orient all 4 algs would help improve my time for the > cases where i have to orient all 4 edges. hope someone understands my > explaination and has an answer!

not that i know of. i've tried (repeatedly) to do this, but usually end up with all sorts of problems, and the time trade off doesn't work out for me. i can say i do use some stuff in the build ring, and usually trade out a fixed tredge for an edge i need, but that's about as far as i go towards chain solving. ron has tried just about everything, he might have more insight to this idea than i do. Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: Clancy, do you (or anybody you know, ie. Frank) solve 2 tredges at a time (or more)? or maybe 1 tredge and part of another simultaneously? I've tried this a little bit and am learning a bit about solving more than one at a time as well as setting up a quick second tredge while doing the first. (This is not during the last 4 tredges, but generally while solving them at any point before) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) A quick search led me to construct this algorithm: R' U2 L F' L' U2 L F L' U2 R Hope it's useful. For obvious reasons, no such algo with only L,U and R turns exists for this purpose ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jeff17237 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > ok, i am currently doing F2l (intuitive), (then OELL Orientation of > Edges Last Layer), then OCLL (Orientation of Corners Last Layer), and > lastly PLL. (sorry if my abreviations are incorrect, but thats what i > use). so my problem is i only know how to orient 2 edges at a time > when i do EOLL. i use either F U R U' R' F' or F R U R' U' F' to > orient the last 2 edges. I am looking for an alg where it can orient > all 4 edges at once without having to do both of the above algs > together. I seem to get the no-edge case alot, but am currently doing > both algs in order to orientate all the edges. i think a shorter > compound alg to orient all 4 algs would help improve my time for the > cases where i have to orient all 4 edges. hope someone understands my > explaination and has an answer! > > Thanks, > Jeff > > P.S. -- i hope to learn complete OLL when i get some more time! ...but > in the meantime :P >

I got a bunch: F2 M F2 U M2 U' B2 M B2, shortest there is, only nine turns STM. R U2 R' F' L' U2 L F R U2 R' easy to learn, five set up turns, then U2 - > restore) M' U2 M U2 M' U M U2 M' U2 M M' U2 M' U2 M' U M U2 M U2 M Both pretty much the same, both as the earlier one = 5+ [U] -5 turns, One preseves edges permutation, the other swaps oppsites. Mext orients "pi corners" + edges: l' U' l U2 l' U2 L U2 L' U R // Kenneth

taking a photo seams to be a good idea. however I resorted to doing this (which messes up the centers) ::uL and uR need swapping (no flipping) ::Bu'B'uB'r'BrD ::rotate whole cube CW 90 deg (makes B the R face) ::do above moves again except for the last D ::bring the u and D slices back again. if a parity problem shows up I rotate D2 and do the mirror of the above moves on the appropriate slices and the same thing again only subbing a different horizontal slice and also using the appropriate vertical slice this moves 3 edges around and then back again from the other side ultimately only switching the R and L edges but it messes up the work i did on the centers so i had to fix that again with the same move only doing all slice moves and one bB' move on my next scramble I will take photos. anything I can leave off? (reduce # of photos taken)? I have another question...I've noticed that some of you are talking about "the last 4 edges" vs "the last 2 edges" am I trying to do too much? should i stop at having 8 solved edges? before I change strategy? or should I go for 10? whats easier to do/remember? should i post the photos in the photo section here? or put them somewhere else? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > not that i know of. i've tried (repeatedly) to do this, but usually end up with all sorts of problems, and the time trade off doesn't work out for me. i can say i do use some stuff in the build ring, and usually trade out a fixed tredge for an edge i need, but that's about as far as i go towards chain solving. ron has tried just about everything, he might have more insight to this idea than i do. > > Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: Clancy, do you (or anybody you know, ie. Frank) solve 2 tredges at a time > (or more)? or maybe 1 tredge and part of another simultaneously? I've > tried this a little bit and am learning a bit about solving more than one at > a time as well as setting up a quick second tredge while doing the first. > (This is not during the last 4 tredges, but generally while solving them at > any point before) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

"i can say i do use some stuff in the build ring" What do you mean by using stuff in the build ring? You look there first to find an easy tredge setup? I recall someone telling me that it's possible to do 8 tredges at once on the 5x5x5 (similar to doing 6 on the 4x4x4). Anybody heard/do this? On 7/25/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > not that i know of. i've tried (repeatedly) to do this, but usually end > up with all sorts of problems, and the time trade off doesn't work out for > me. i can say i do use some stuff in the build ring, and usually trade out a > fixed tredge for an edge i need, but that's about as far as i go towards > chain solving. ron has tried just about everything, he might have more > insight to this idea than i do. > > Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@... <ajgold04%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Clancy, do you (or anybody you know, ie. Frank) solve 2 tredges at a time > > (or more)? or maybe 1 tredge and part of another simultaneously? I've > tried this a little bit and am learning a bit about solving more than one > at > a time as well as setting up a quick second tredge while doing the first. > (This is not during the last 4 tredges, but generally while solving them > at > any point before) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i mean that i do look for pieces in the build ring before i pull the next piece in to see if i can get a 'free' section with just l2 or r2. 8 tredges at once sounds like some bs to me, i don't think its possible, or at least it hasn't been done yet. Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: "i can say i do use some stuff in the build ring" What do you mean by using stuff in the build ring? You look there first to find an easy tredge setup? I recall someone telling me that it's possible to do 8 tredges at once on the 5x5x5 (similar to doing 6 on the 4x4x4). Anybody heard/do this? On 7/25/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > not that i know of. i've tried (repeatedly) to do this, but usually end > up with all sorts of problems, and the time trade off doesn't work out for > me. i can say i do use some stuff in the build ring, and usually trade out a > fixed tredge for an edge i need, but that's about as far as i go towards > chain solving. ron has tried just about everything, he might have more > insight to this idea than i do. > > Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@... <ajgold04%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Clancy, do you (or anybody you know, ie. Frank) solve 2 tredges at a time > > (or more)? or maybe 1 tredge and part of another simultaneously? I've > tried this a little bit and am learning a bit about solving more than one > at > a time as well as setting up a quick second tredge while doing the first. > (This is not during the last 4 tredges, but generally while solving them > at > any point before) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi guys, I'm Nick, just started (speed)cubing. I have used windows media player to sorta time myself. My best is roughly 1 min and 54 seconds, but I want a program that I can use to time myself with. Any suggestions?

first of all, somebody said less than 10 posts ago that they developed another cube timer. secondly, if you were to search the group for "cube timer," you would find several good results. Please do at least a search before asking your question because it can be answered quite easily on your own. www.strangepuzzle.com is home to Jnetcube. Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kingnautilus" <iliekcaekk@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, I'm Nick, just started (speed)cubing. > > I have used windows media player to sorta time myself. My best is > roughly 1 min and 54 seconds, but I want a program that I can use to > time myself with. Any suggestions? >

llokosz, Could you please extract the program from the .rar folder. I don't have WinRar and I can't open it. I'm really interested in your timer. Thank you. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lookosz" <stasko.lukasz@...> wrote: > > Hello. > I want to show my latest version of timer. > First of all, visit this page www.rubiksdj.speedcubing.com.pl , lets > see some screens and finally download my application ;-) > I hope you will be enjoyed ;-) > > > //greetings for Chris Hunt >

Almost every (un)packer program has a free/trial version that you can use. I personaly use Total Commander and/or 7Zip. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, gottacube <no_reply@...> wrote: > > llokosz, > > Could you please extract the program from the .rar folder. I don't > have WinRar and I can't open it. I'm really interested in your > timer. Thank you. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lookosz" > <stasko.lukasz@> wrote: > > > > Hello. > > I want to show my latest version of timer. > > First of all, visit this page www.rubiksdj.speedcubing.com.pl , lets > > see some screens and finally download my application ;-) > > I hope you will be enjoyed ;-) > > > > > > //greetings for Chris Hunt > > >

Hi :) Seriously, WinRar is a MUST HAVE application. It will replace your Winzip or whatever you have already. And is much more powerful. It can extract .zip as well as .rar files. But not only that, it can extract also .iso and .jar archives. Download and install it rather than complain about it ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, gottacube <no_reply@...> wrote: > > llokosz, > > Could you please extract the program from the .rar folder. I don't > have WinRar and I can't open it. I'm really interested in your > timer. Thank you. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lookosz" > <stasko.lukasz@> wrote: > > > > Hello. > > I want to show my latest version of timer. > > First of all, visit this page www.rubiksdj.speedcubing.com.pl , lets > > see some screens and finally download my application ;-) > > I hope you will be enjoyed ;-) > > > > > > //greetings for Chris Hunt > > >

Hi there, sorry that I didn't check earlier, else I would have correct segnet myself about the site thing. Here's a 5x5x5 example solve I made that explains how I solve the puzzle... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqnXOQPTOxo And I agree that the eight edges at once deal is BS, unless you consider not restoring centers between the eight edges as one big chain... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i mean that i do look for pieces in the build ring before i pull the next piece in to see if i can get a 'free' section with just l2 or r2. 8 tredges at once sounds like some bs to me, i don't think its possible, or at least it hasn't been done yet. > > Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@...> wrote: "i can say i do use some stuff in the build ring" > > What do you mean by using stuff in the build ring? You look there first to > find an easy tredge setup? > > I recall someone telling me that it's possible to do 8 tredges at once on > the 5x5x5 (similar to doing 6 on the 4x4x4). Anybody heard/do this? > > On 7/25/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > > > not that i know of. i've tried (repeatedly) to do this, but usually end > > up with all sorts of problems, and the time trade off doesn't work out for > > me. i can say i do use some stuff in the build ring, and usually trade out a > > fixed tredge for an edge i need, but that's about as far as i go towards > > chain solving. ron has tried just about everything, he might have more > > insight to this idea than i do. > > > > Alexander Goldberg <ajgold04@... <ajgold04%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Clancy, do you (or anybody you know, ie. Frank) solve 2 tredges at a time > > > > (or more)? or maybe 1 tredge and part of another simultaneously? I've > > tried this a little bit and am learning a bit about solving more than one > > at > > a time as well as setting up a quick second tredge while doing the first. > > (This is not during the last 4 tredges, but generally while solving them > > at > > any point before) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > > Games. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

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I get an error message when I close the program. It says that it cannot create options.xml and won't let the timer close. I have to end the program by other means. Then it will not start up again after the first time with more error messages... ivalid options.xml and then it repeats "list index out of bounds (33)". Any ideas? Jon

Hi :) Yet another alternative is R L B (U2 L2)*3 B' L' R' It preserves corners if that's useful :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > I got a bunch: > > F2 M F2 U M2 U' B2 M B2, shortest there is, only nine turns STM. > > R U2 R' F' L' U2 L F R U2 R' easy to learn, five set up turns, then U2 - > > restore) > > M' U2 M U2 M' U M U2 M' U2 M > > M' U2 M' U2 M' U M U2 M U2 M > > Both pretty much the same, both as the earlier one = 5+ [U] -5 turns, > One preseves edges permutation, the other swaps oppsites. > > Mext orients "pi corners" + edges: > > l' U' l U2 l' U2 L U2 L' U R > > // Kenneth >

Per Kristen Fredlund" wrote: > Hi :) > > Yet another alternative is > > R L B (U2 L2)*3 B' L' R' > > It preserves corners if that's useful :-) It preserves them anyway, even if it isn't useful. :-) Another one: R B L U2 L' U2 L U2 L' B' R' -- Johannes Laire

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Seriously, WinRar is a MUST HAVE application. Huh? Why must I have WinRar when I have IZarc? Cheers! Stefan

WinRar: "WinRAR archiver, a powerful tool to process RAR and ZIP files" IZarc: "IZArc - The Ultimate Archive Utility - Zip, Unzip, Unrar, 7- Zip, ISO, BIN, compress, archive" Apparently WinRar is only powerful while IZarc is ultimate :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Seriously, WinRar is a MUST HAVE application. > > Huh? Why must I have WinRar when I have IZarc? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

jeff17237 wrote: > I am looking for an alg where it can orient all 4 edges at once You can try this specification in ACube: -? -? -? -? DF DR DB DL FR FL BR BL @? @? @? @? DRF DFL DLB DBR It will find you all optimal solutions. If you don't understand how to construct the specification, you can try my graphical user interface: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/gacube.html Orange is the top face, then: 1. Ignore the positions of all the top pieces 2. Ignore the orientations of all the top "corners" 3. twist all of the top "edges" Then copy and paste the code into ACube. It gives the following list: R U F' B2 L' B' L F U' B' R' (12q, 11f*, 11s) R U B L' U' B U L U' B2 R' (12q, 11f*, 11s) R U B' R B R2 U' R' F R F' (12q, 11f*, 11s) R U R' F' L' U' B L' B' L2 F (12q, 11f*, 11s) R U2 B' R' U' R U B2 U2 B' R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R U2 L' B L U2 L' B' L U2 R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R U2 R2 F R F' U2 R' F R F' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R U2 R' F' L2 B L B' U2 L F (14q, 11f*, 11s) R U2 R' F' L' U B' U2 B L F (13q, 11f*, 11s) R U2 R' F' L' U2 L F R U2 R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R U2 R' F' L' B' U' B U' L F (12q, 11f*, 11s) R U' R2 D' L F L' D R2 U R' (13q, 11f*, 11s) R U' R2 D' L F' L' D R2 U R' (13q, 11f*, 11s) R F' U2 B L' U2 L B' U2 F R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R F' L2 B' L B2 L' B L2 F R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B U F' L' B L F B2 U' R' (12q, 11f*, 11s) R B U B' U R' U2 R' F R F' (12q, 11f*, 11s) R B U2 B2 U' R' U R B U2 R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B U2 L' B L B2 R' F' U2 F (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B U' L U' L' B' R' F' U2 F (12q, 11f*, 11s) R B L U2 L2 B' R B2 L B2 R2 (16q, 11f*, 11s) R B L U2 L' U B' R' F' U2 F (13q, 11f*, 11s) R B L U2 L' U2 L U2 L' B' R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B L' B2 L B2 R' U2 R B' R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B R' U2 L U2 L' U2 R B' R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B R' U2 R B2 L' B2 L B' R' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 U L' U' B' U L B' U' R' (12q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 L2 D2 R F L D2 R2 B2 L (17q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 L2 D2 R F R' D2 L2 B2 R' (17q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 L2 D2 R F' L D2 R2 B2 L (17q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 L2 D2 R F' R' D2 L2 B2 R' (17q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 L2 B' L B' R' U2 B L B' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 L' B' L U' B' R' F' U F (12q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 R2 U2 R B L U2 L2 B2 L (17q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 R2 U2 R B R' U2 R2 B2 R' (17q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 R2 U2 R B' L U2 L2 B2 L (17q, 11f*, 11s) R B2 R2 U2 R B' R' U2 R2 B2 R' (17q, 11f*, 11s) R B' R' U2 F R B' R B2 R2 F' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R B' R' B U B2 L' B' L U' B' (12q, 11f*, 11s) R B' R' B U2 B U' L U' L' B' (12q, 11f*, 11s) R B' R' B U2 R B' R' B2 U2 B' (14q, 11f*, 11s) R2 F2 L F2 R F' L2 U2 L F R (16q, 11f*, 11s) R2 B2 L' B2 R' B L2 U2 L' B' R' (16q, 11f*, 11s) (I removed the rotations and reflections of these) The optimal solution length is only 1 move shorter than your compound. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nascarjon2001 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I get an error message when I close the program. It says that it > cannot create options.xml and won't let the timer close. I have to end > the program by other means. Then it will not start up again after the > first time with more error messages... ivalid options.xml and then it > repeats "list index out of bounds (33)". Any ideas? > > Jon > Hmm interesting ;-) I think there is incorrect data in the memory and app cant write it... I have to solve...this problem. Thanks anyway!

About the timer... I liked it, cool interface and buttons and so... 2 things: does it have a "show scramble" option? I couldn't find... and you could include a "Best average of [ ] " button, as the Best Mean of you already have... Pedro Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is a really nice looking timer, a lot of options. :) I have a lot of problems though: I get an error when I try to accept my time, it keeps saying it's not a "floating value". It says all my best times are 22.00, and I can't delete them. When I try to exit, it says it can't create options.xml, and I have to end the program a different way. It didn't save my options either. And is there a way to see the scrambles for your solves? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lookosz" <stasko.lukasz@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nascarjon2001 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I get an error message when I close the program. It says that it > > cannot create options.xml and won't let the timer close. I have to end > > the program by other means. Then it will not start up again after the > > first time with more error messages... ivalid options.xml and then it > > repeats "list index out of bounds (33)". Any ideas? > > > > Jon > > > > Hmm interesting ;-) > I think there is incorrect data in the memory and app cant write it... > I have to solve...this problem. > Thanks anyway! >

Hmm... Could You tell me what values did U set as "Best times" in the options window(format of data)? Maybe "options.xml" file has read-only attributes? =o And what about scrambles? Hmm there is no possible to see a scamble for best times YET ;-)

So as i understand you want to hide a scramble box? Right? And You want to replace a Best Mean function as a Best average - in this case extreme times will be discarded. I hope that you know it ;-)

"Hide a scramble box"? didn't get what you mean... I meant a "scramble viewer", where you can see how the cube should look like after the scramble... and you don't have to replace the Best Mean button...just add a Best Average one : ) as average is more common (specially on cubes) Pedro lookosz <stasko.lukasz@...> escreveu: So as i understand you want to hide a scramble box? Right? And You want to replace a Best Mean function as a Best average - in this case extreme times will be discarded. I hope that you know it ;-) Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Does anyone know of a timer that has a 15 second countdown

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/37074 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "dan67448" <dan67448@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know of a timer that has a 15 second countdown >

Is R' F R b' R' F' R b only algorithm for edge permutation(444) ?????????????? it's confusing because 2 of the 3 blocks flip or is it supposed to?? i dunno how the heck people memorize it

Yeah, I've got one on my microwave. *ding* Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "dan67448" <dan67448@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know of a timer that has a 15 second countdown >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xodn3300" <xodn3300@...> wrote: > > Is > R' F R b' R' F' R b > only algorithm for edge permutation(444) ?????????????? > it's confusing because 2 of the 3 blocks flip > or is it supposed to?? > i dunno how the heck people memorize it > That's a commutator. It's not the only alg, it's an example of the thousands of possible commutators on the 4x4x4. Also, edges cannot be flipped on the 4x4. If you don't believe me, pop a single edge out and try to put it back flipped over. Impossible. In fact, you can't even solve a swapped pair. Try to just pair up two matching edges, but facing opposite directions. You can't.

Ahh ok i understand now. So probably i will make an "Best average of" button. And i have to think about "show scramble" option...maybe in the future ill include it... ;-)

hm those are already 2 nice suggestions ... some more? - a "tournament display mode" (would be really great for video making) - a "DNF"-button (nice for Blindcubing) - hmmmmm... stackmat support ;) Greetings Kai --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > "Hide a scramble box"? didn't get what you mean... > > I meant a "scramble viewer", where you can see how the cube should look like after the scramble... > > and you don't have to replace the Best Mean button...just add a Best Average one : ) as average is more common (specially on cubes) > > Pedro > > lookosz <stasko.lukasz@...> escreveu: So as i understand you want to hide a scramble box? Right? > And You want to replace a Best Mean function as a Best average - in > this case extreme times will be discarded. I hope that you know it ;-) > > > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Yea..."tournament display mode" sounds nice...Dnf button too ;-) I have no idea how to include stackmat support yet... :( Thanks

Hey guys, I'm sorry for the two weeks delay. I'm very happy, that I'm finally able to share this with you. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqZWVT82Ekc The Video also includes his second solve at the competition. The ending of both clips turned out a bit bad. I'm sorry that you can barely see the solved cube. On the second solve my girlfriend even pressed 'stop' too early. But at least we have some footage of this. I hope you still like it a bit. Enjoy. Kai.

Oh, damn...that's not right : ) how can he do it so fast? memorising in 15 seconds is just crazy... does anybody know if he has a website of something? or anybody knows what he's doing? Pedro Kai Jiptner <kaijiptner@...> escreveu: Hey guys, I'm sorry for the two weeks delay. I'm very happy, that I'm finally able to share this with you. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqZWVT82Ekc The Video also includes his second solve at the competition. The ending of both clips turned out a bit bad. I'm sorry that you can barely see the solved cube. On the second solve my girlfriend even pressed 'stop' too early. But at least we have some footage of this. I hope you still like it a bit. Enjoy. Kai. Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I received my latest issue of my coveted Sports Illustrated ("Big Hits" cover) and was surprised to see Ryan on page 31! Good going Ryan! -mike

Can anyone get a scan/link to the article /image? And also, is he in the mag for cubing or for something else? Whatever the reason, congratulations Ryan! -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" <skeneegee@...> wrote: > > I received my latest issue of my coveted Sports Illustrated ("Big > Hits" cover) and was surprised to see Ryan on page 31! > > Good going Ryan! > > -mike >

Apparently for speedcubing. I haven't seen the magazine yet, but I found this web page: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/scorecard/faces/2007/07/30/ - Bruce --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > Can anyone get a scan/link to the article /image? And also, is he in > the mag for cubing or for something else? > > Whatever the reason, congratulations Ryan! > > -Daniel > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" > <skeneegee@> wrote: > > > > I received my latest issue of my coveted Sports Illustrated ("Big > > Hits" cover) and was surprised to see Ryan on page 31! > > > > Good going Ryan! > > > > -mike > > >

Does anyone here play the game Set? http://www.setgame.com/ Some of my coworkers play it and have gotten me started in trying to learn more about it and learn to play better (see sets quicker). There are only 1080 different possible sets, well within the range of just simply memorizing all of them. I have no idea if that would be useful, but it seems just simply studying all 1080 by rote, or having a system to categorize all of them would make the game much easier. Yes I realize that this is an ugly brute force solution, and that most Set players have elegant strategies and practice quite a bit to "see" sets without having to think, but I wonder if this is a viable way to train to play very competitively? It's a very fun game. I stink at it, but I do enjoy playing it quite a bit. Does anyone else here play? Chris

there was an article of him in the LA times i can post a image of it if u want --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > Apparently for speedcubing. I haven't seen the magazine yet, but I > found this web page: > > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/scorecard/faces/2007/07/30/ > > - Bruce > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" > <swedishlf@> wrote: > > > > Can anyone get a scan/link to the article /image? And also, is he > in > > the mag for cubing or for something else? > > > > Whatever the reason, congratulations Ryan! > > > > -Daniel > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" > > <skeneegee@> wrote: > > > > > > I received my latest issue of my coveted Sports Illustrated ("Big > > > Hits" cover) and was surprised to see Ryan on page 31! > > > > > > Good going Ryan! > > > > > > -mike > > > > > >

the first memorization was actually faster: about 13 seconds. :-) 2007/7/27, Pedro <pedrosino1@...>: > > Oh, damn...that's not right : ) > > how can he do it so fast? memorising in 15 seconds is just crazy... > > does anybody know if he has a website of something? or anybody knows what > he's doing? > > Pedro > > Kai Jiptner <kaijiptner@... <kaijiptner%40yahoo.de>> escreveu: Hey > guys, > > I'm sorry for the two weeks delay. > I'm very happy, that I'm finally able to share this with > you. > > Here it is: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqZWVT82Ekc > > The Video also includes his second solve at the > > competition. > The ending of both clips turned out a bit bad. > I'm sorry that you can barely see the solved cube. On the > > second solve my girlfriend even pressed 'stop' too early. > But at least we have some footage of this. I hope you > > still like it a bit. > > Enjoy. > Kai. > > > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

please do 2007/7/28, mr_seagull_1 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > there was an article of him in the LA times > i can post a image of it if u want > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Bruce Norskog" > > <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > > > Apparently for speedcubing. I haven't seen the magazine yet, but I > > found this web page: > > > > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/scorecard/faces/2007/07/30/ > > > > - Bruce > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Daniel Hayes" > > <swedishlf@> wrote: > > > > > > Can anyone get a scan/link to the article /image? And also, is > he > > in > > > the mag for cubing or for something else? > > > > > > Whatever the reason, congratulations Ryan! > > > > > > -Daniel > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "skeneegee" > > > <skeneegee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I received my latest issue of my coveted Sports Illustrated > ("Big > > > > Hits" cover) and was surprised to see Ryan on page 31! > > > > > > > > Good going Ryan! > > > > > > > > -mike > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cOmqRt1mJqCi3DGCE-3nwsn5YeAil70y- QvgABeCeIt4aN2PsJTU69c1ef3lzmqRVKFs_yEOiMmz2-g_EfC7o- FMyhlOJwwdDls/DSC00793.JPG article from la times --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > please do > > 2007/7/28, mr_seagull_1 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > > there was an article of him in the LA times > > i can post a image of it if u want > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Bruce Norskog" > > > > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > > > > > Apparently for speedcubing. I haven't seen the magazine yet, but I > > > found this web page: > > > > > > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/scorecard/faces/2007/07/30/ > > > > > > - Bruce > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Daniel Hayes" > > > <swedishlf@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anyone get a scan/link to the article /image? And also, is > > he > > > in > > > > the mag for cubing or for something else? > > > > > > > > Whatever the reason, congratulations Ryan! > > > > > > > > -Daniel > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "skeneegee" > > > > <skeneegee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I received my latest issue of my coveted Sports Illustrated > > ("Big > > > > > Hits" cover) and was surprised to see Ryan on page 31! > > > > > > > > > > Good going Ryan! > > > > > > > > > > -mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the speedsolvingrubikscube group. File : /DSC00793.JPG Uploaded by : mr_seagull_1 Description : Article in the LA times about Ryan P. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/files/DSC00793.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, mr_seagull_1

Very fun game. Leyan's quite good.

Is the scramble the turns you are using to scramble the cube or is it the state of the cube? Compare: alg - case. =) // Kenneth BTW: I think it is the state.

I believe it would be the turns. That's why it's a "scramble generator program" and not a "scramble generator generator program" --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > Is the scramble the turns you are using to scramble the cube or is it > the state of the cube? > > Compare: alg - case. > > =) > > // Kenneth > > BTW: I think it is the state. >

It can be both. When people talk about easy scrambles, they usually mean the state of the cube. -- Johannes Laire --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bladez740" <blade740@...> wrote: > > I believe it would be the turns. That's why it's a "scramble > generator program" and not a "scramble generator generator program" > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" > <kenneth@> wrote: > > > > Is the scramble the turns you are using to scramble the cube or is it > > the state of the cube? > > > > Compare: alg - case. > > > > =) > > > > // Kenneth > > > > BTW: I think it is the state. > > >

Hi Chris, I think you could maybe reduce the amount of work by considering the harder cases. Sets which have 3 elements the same and one different (like 1 solid red diamond, 2 solid red diamonds, 3 solid red diamonds) are so easy to spot that even if you didn't know the rules you might intuitively know that was a set. The sets which have all 4 elements different are much harder to spot, so it might be a good idea to memorise those. I usually pick two cards that could be in a set and mentally work out which other card could make a set. If it's there, great, if not, move on. With practise you can do this pretty fast (and probaly faster than any of your co-workers, unless they are into this stuff like we are ;) ) Good luck! DanH :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Does anyone here play the game Set? http://www.setgame.com/ > > Some of my coworkers play it and have gotten me started in trying to > learn more about it and learn to play better (see sets quicker). > There are only 1080 different possible sets, well within the range of > just simply memorizing all of them. > > I have no idea if that would be useful, but it seems just simply > studying all 1080 by rote, or having a system to categorize all of > them would make the game much easier. > > Yes I realize that this is an ugly brute force solution, and that most > Set players have elegant strategies and practice quite a bit to "see" > sets without having to think, but I wonder if this is a viable way to > train to play very competitively? > > It's a very fun game. I stink at it, but I do enjoy playing it quite > a bit. > > Does anyone else here play? > > Chris >

> does anybody know if he has a website of something? http://www.shaipo.atw.hu/

OK, time for Q: 3... Ive noticed a lot of abbreviations I don't understand. Like PLL, OLL, F2L tredge, dedge etc. I see these a lot in posts, and don't understand their meaning. this is just a few of them I've seen, would someone please be so kind as to explain them? I know that pll and oll have something to do with parity, again I don't really understand that one either, other than it's a common problem on big cubes. is there a cubeneeze Dictionary?

Google http://cubefreak.net/glossary.html

It was tough here. I won 2nd place in 444 and 333 bld. Got 4th place in very tough 555. The result for 2nd,3rd and 4th had never been so close. I believe the difference between ist and 2nd in 555 also 0.22 sec. I am sorry, I could not get anybodys name. 555 - new world record - 1 min 38 sec, 1 min 50 odd sec(avg) by Takayuki ukusa . I am sorry if the name is wrong. 227 competitors and all tv medias in japan in front of you and not knowing the language and solving the cube is very very tough. But it was all fun. Bernett Orlando --------------------------------- Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ok...let's go PLL = Permutation of Last Layer (correctly positioning the last layer pieces) OLL = Orientation of Last Layer (making the last layer pieces face the "right" way) F2L = First 2 Layers dedge = the pair of edges on the 4x4x4. You have 24 edges, that form 12 dedges tredge = the edges' triplet on the 5x5x5. There are 36 edges, that form 12 tredges something else? Pedro segnet3745117 <segnet3745117@...> escreveu: OK, time for Q: 3... Ive noticed a lot of abbreviations I don't understand. Like PLL, OLL, F2L tredge, dedge etc. I see these a lot in posts, and don't understand their meaning. this is just a few of them I've seen, would someone please be so kind as to explain them? I know that pll and oll have something to do with parity, again I don't really understand that one either, other than it's a common problem on big cubes. is there a cubeneeze Dictionary? Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Chris, Dan Harris got me into Set a few months ago and it was an instant favourite, although Dan beat me every time ;). As with everything you get better with practice. When I don't see a set immediately, I try to isolate one of the four features and work out by elimination if they have to be the same or have to be different. In a lot of situations you can do this very quickly because there's at least one feature that has a very uneven distribution. For example: if you have only one green card and two reds, I try to work out if I can make a red-green-purple set. This can be done quickly since there are only two possible purple cards that match. If there's no such set, I know it has to be an all purple set, which makes it a lot easier to continue. Good luck, Lars --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > I think you could maybe reduce the amount of work by considering the > harder cases. Sets which have 3 elements the same and one different > (like 1 solid red diamond, 2 solid red diamonds, 3 solid red diamonds) > are so easy to spot that even if you didn't know the rules you might > intuitively know that was a set. The sets which have all 4 elements > different are much harder to spot, so it might be a good idea to > memorise those. I usually pick two cards that could be in a set and > mentally work out which other card could make a set. If it's there, > great, if not, move on. With practise you can do this pretty fast (and > probaly faster than any of your co-workers, unless they are into this > stuff like we are ;) ) > > Good luck! > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Does anyone here play the game Set? http://www.setgame.com/ > > > > Some of my coworkers play it and have gotten me started in trying to > > learn more about it and learn to play better (see sets quicker). > > There are only 1080 different possible sets, well within the range of > > just simply memorizing all of them. > > > > I have no idea if that would be useful, but it seems just simply > > studying all 1080 by rote, or having a system to categorize all of > > them would make the game much easier. > > > > Yes I realize that this is an ugly brute force solution, and that most > > Set players have elegant strategies and practice quite a bit to "see" > > sets without having to think, but I wonder if this is a viable way to > > train to play very competitively? > > > > It's a very fun game. I stink at it, but I do enjoy playing it quite > > a bit. > > > > Does anyone else here play? > > > > Chris > > >

What is SD? =D ----- Original Message ---- From: Pedro <pedrosino1@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:35:00 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubeneeze Ok...let's go PLL = Permutation of Last Layer (correctly positioning the last layer pieces) OLL = Orientation of Last Layer (making the last layer pieces face the "right" way) F2L = First 2 Layers dedge = the pair of edges on the 4x4x4. You have 24 edges, that form 12 dedges tredge = the edges' triplet on the 5x5x5. There are 36 edges, that form 12 tredges something else? Pedro segnet3745117 <segnet3745117@ yahoo.com> escreveu: OK, time for Q: 3... Ive noticed a lot of abbreviations I don't understand. Like PLL, OLL, F2L tredge, dedge etc. I see these a lot in posts, and don't understand their meaning. this is just a few of them I've seen, would someone please be so kind as to explain them? I know that pll and oll have something to do with parity, again I don't really understand that one either, other than it's a common problem on big cubes. is there a cubeneeze Dictionary? Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

SD = Standard Deviation I don't have the formula right now, but you can google it...it's kinda how consistant your times are Pedro Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> escreveu: What is SD? =D ----- Original Message ---- From: Pedro <pedrosino1@....br> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:35:00 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubeneeze Ok...let's go PLL = Permutation of Last Layer (correctly positioning the last layer pieces) OLL = Orientation of Last Layer (making the last layer pieces face the "right" way) F2L = First 2 Layers dedge = the pair of edges on the 4x4x4. You have 24 edges, that form 12 dedges tredge = the edges' triplet on the 5x5x5. There are 36 edges, that form 12 tredges something else? Pedro segnet3745117 <segnet3745117@ yahoo.com> escreveu: OK, time for Q: 3... Ive noticed a lot of abbreviations I don't understand. Like PLL, OLL, F2L tredge, dedge etc. I see these a lot in posts, and don't understand their meaning. this is just a few of them I've seen, would someone please be so kind as to explain them? I know that pll and oll have something to do with parity, again I don't really understand that one either, other than it's a common problem on big cubes. is there a cubeneeze Dictionary? Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Right, pretty much all you need to know is that 68% of your times will fall within +/- one standard deviation of the mean, and 95% are within +/- two. It's just a measure of spread. Adam --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > SD = Standard Deviation > > I don't have the formula right now, but you can google it...it's kinda how consistant your times are > > Pedro > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@...> escreveu: What is SD? =D > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Pedro <pedrosino1@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:35:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubeneeze > > Ok...let's go > > PLL = Permutation of Last Layer (correctly positioning the last layer pieces) > OLL = Orientation of Last Layer (making the last layer pieces face the "right" way) > F2L = First 2 Layers > dedge = the pair of edges on the 4x4x4. You have 24 edges, that form 12 dedges > tredge = the edges' triplet on the 5x5x5. There are 36 edges, that form 12 tredges > > something else? > > Pedro > > segnet3745117 <segnet3745117@ yahoo.com> escreveu: OK, time for Q: 3... > Ive noticed a lot of abbreviations I don't understand. > Like PLL, OLL, F2L tredge, dedge etc. > > I see these a lot in posts, and don't understand their meaning. > this is just a few of them I've seen, would someone please be so kind > as to explain them? > > I know that pll and oll have something to do with parity, again I > don't really understand that one either, other than it's a common > problem on big cubes. > > is there a cubeneeze Dictionary? > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Yeah... what HE said --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Adam P. Larsen" <aplarsen@...> wrote: > > Right, pretty much all you need to know is that 68% of your times will > fall within +/- one standard deviation of the mean, and 95% are within > +/- two. It's just a measure of spread. > > Adam > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > wrote: > > > > SD = Standard Deviation > > > > I don't have the formula right now, but you can google it...it's > kinda how consistant your times are > > > > Pedro > > > > Brian Le <khoale1234567@> escreveu: > What is SD? =D > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:35:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubeneeze > > > > Ok...let's go > > > > PLL = Permutation of Last Layer (correctly positioning the last > layer pieces) > > OLL = Orientation of Last Layer (making the last layer pieces face > the "right" way) > > F2L = First 2 Layers > > dedge = the pair of edges on the 4x4x4. You have 24 edges, that > form 12 dedges > > tredge = the edges' triplet on the 5x5x5. There are 36 edges, that > form 12 tredges > > > > something else? > > > > Pedro > > > > segnet3745117 <segnet3745117@ yahoo.com> escreveu: OK, time for Q: 3... > > Ive noticed a lot of abbreviations I don't understand. > > Like PLL, OLL, F2L tredge, dedge etc. > > > > I see these a lot in posts, and don't understand their meaning. > > this is just a few of them I've seen, would someone please be so kind > > as to explain them? > > > > I know that pll and oll have something to do with parity, again I > > don't really understand that one either, other than it's a common > > problem on big cubes. > > > > is there a cubeneeze Dictionary? > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Flickr agora em português. Você cria, todo mundo vê. Saiba mais. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Thanks Pedro... Helps a lot! Boy did I have it wrong! If I see more I'll post it here for clarification Segnet --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Ok...let's go > > PLL = Permutation of Last Layer (correctly positioning the last layer pieces) > OLL = Orientation of Last Layer (making the last layer pieces face the "right" way) > F2L = First 2 Layers > dedge = the pair of edges on the 4x4x4. You have 24 edges, that form 12 dedges > tredge = the edges' triplet on the 5x5x5. There are 36 edges, that form 12 tredges > > something else? > > Pedro > > segnet3745117 <segnet3745117@...> escreveu: OK, time for Q: 3... > Ive noticed a lot of abbreviations I don't understand. > Like PLL, OLL, F2L tredge, dedge etc. > > I see these a lot in posts, and don't understand their meaning. > this is just a few of them I've seen, would someone please be so kind > as to explain them? > > I know that pll and oll have something to do with parity, again I > don't really understand that one either, other than it's a common > problem on big cubes. > > is there a cubeneeze Dictionary? > > > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

If possible, could someone kindly show the moves used during the solve. I don't have the technical ability, or I'd do it myself. Stochastic? Thanks much. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kai Jiptner" <kaijiptner@...> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I'm sorry for the two weeks delay. > I'm very happy, that I'm finally able to share this with > you. > > Here it is: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqZWVT82Ekc > > The Video also includes his second solve at the > > competition. > The ending of both clips turned out a bit bad. > I'm sorry that you can barely see the solved cube. On the > > second solve my girlfriend even pressed 'stop' too early. > But at least we have some footage of this. I hope you > > still like it a bit. > > > Enjoy. > Kai. >

This cube feels very similar to a real cube. http://www.instructables.com/id/EBMRUZ857SEWZMHE84/

So I have been a very bad cube member there days. This is the first time I've checked this forum in about 12 weeks :(. As I was browsing though, this message caught my attention. What makes it a tiny bit feasible is that I am now in Denver and would have a really good venue and logisitical support to offer (as well as food and drink). What makes this a bad place to host one is that there aren't enough cubers. I can think of: you, me, a couple of my co-workers, MikeG, Pat. But that is all. Not enough. (My definition of enough is 12.) Could hit up the local colleges I guess..., but too much work for me. Although...., if there is the slightest inkling of interest from out- of-staters to come participate, then I think I could make it happen, with some help of course. Denver is a nice central place to have one, and there hasn't been one in this state yet. So it's not a terrible idea. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Vince Zakis <forlask@...> wrote: > > > The subject cays it all..... > > www.xanga.com/forlask > www.myspace.com/vbzakis > > Vince > "forlask" > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

That is extremely far in the future, but I'm now a local, so you could count me in for sure. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "pjkalamosa" <pjkcards@...> wrote: > > We are looking to setup a competition in Denver, Colorado on January > 5th and 6th of 2008, although that can changed if more people can make > it at other times. As of now, we want to see who is interested and > would most likely be able to come. Please post if you would be able to > make it, and what dates would be best. >

thats realy cool, I like the blue color! I did some looking and found your 3x3x3 project as well. what would reealy be cool would be "translucent" stickers on a clear cube. I dont know how you would do white. perhaps a tinted grey or "smoke" color instead. will you build for hire? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mehrdad_agheb" <mehrdad_agheb@...> wrote: > > This cube feels very similar to a real cube. > http://www.instructables.com/id/EBMRUZ857SEWZMHE84/ >

Hey folks I saw this video on youtube, with the guy using a program that simulates the stackmat...it has the red and green lights, same number style and so... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzzTeTOCI1U he says "huskyomega" did the software...in fact, he has 2 videos showing it http://youtube.com/watch?v=PthNZrSxoQ8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=qaK_o4rL2Pg he said to someone who asked to search google for 'OmegaStudioTournament Display'...I tried, but just found videos... so I was wondering if anybody here uses it and/or knows where I can download. I already got an USB mouse to make the pads, so I just need the software : ) thanks in advance... Pedro Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Found it... http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html Jon http://www.nascarjon.us

Oh, thank you very much, Jon :D how did you find it? am I so dumb? ; ) Pedro nascarjon2001 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Found it... http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html Jon http://www.nascarjon.us Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for awhile, and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutlet.com and found the product, and ordered four cans. I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm told that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know anything about this? I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can identify the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing this if someone knows the answer. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

have tried "Gunk" brand of the silicone lube, does not dry fast, i usually leave it in the sun for a while or else your cube gets sticky. -- John Lwin Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for awhile, and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutlet.com and found the product, and ordered four cans. I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm told that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know anything about this? I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can identify the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing this if someone knows the answer. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Along with this thread: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ message/36306 I'd still like to get together, competition or not. I'm in town for one month more. What sort of venue are you looking at? Chris

Where is English Version for Speed Cubing timer 002 at this site? nascarjon2001 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Found it... http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html Jon http://www.nascarjon.us --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I found it by entering searching for "omega studio" tournament display. The quotes make a big difference ;) I don't think that there is an english version of the other timer. Jon

GUNK lubricant sucks. It takes forever to dry, smells very very toxic, and wears away relatively quickly. I recommend something like CRC (red can) instead. I personally haven't used SNAP yet: been wanting to for awhile. -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, lwin kyawkyaw <lkyawkyaw@...> wrote: > > have tried "Gunk" brand of the silicone lube, does not dry fast, i usually leave it in the sun for a while or else your cube gets sticky. > > -- John Lwin > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for awhile, > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutlet.com and found the product, and > ordered four cans. > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm told > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know anything > about this? > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can identify > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing this if > someone knows the answer. > > -Tyson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Why would you want to taste lube? You can die from it! ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan <dan_j_harris@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:36:16 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant Tyson, It's also possible to identify the SNAP lubricant by taste, just squirt a little on your tongue and it tastes of strawberries and chocolate. Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@. ..> wrote: > > I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for awhile, > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutl et.com and found the product, and > ordered four cans. > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm told > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know anything > about this? > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can identify > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing this if > someone knows the answer. > > -Tyson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Why do you think you can die from tasting lube? I wouldn't drink an entire can, but unless you have a very strange allergy it seems relatively harmless to me. But don't try this at home kids! The problem I have is that Dan Harris had some lubricant with him at the Italian Open that he kept referring to as "the shit". I always thought that was because of the good lubrication, but now I am just envisioning Dan actually tasting "the shit" :) Dan, can you tell me which lubricant that was exactly and if that is still the best you know? -------- Original Message -------- > From: Kevin Nguyen <nerdalicious123@...> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:33 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > Why would you want to taste lube? > You can die from it! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dan <dan_j_harris@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:36:16 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > Tyson, > > It's also possible to identify the SNAP lubricant by taste, just > squirt a little on your tongue and it tastes of strawberries and > chocolate. > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Tyson Mao" > <tyson.mao@. ..> wrote: > > > > I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for > awhile, > > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in > > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutl et.com and found the > product, and > > ordered four cans. > > > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm > told > > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know > anything > > about this? > > > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can > identify > > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing > this if > > someone knows the answer. > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

still not a good idea to taste lube, even if it is "the shit" ----- Original Message ---- From: avgalen <avgalen@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:53:41 AM Subject: re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant Why do you think you can die from tasting lube? I wouldn't drink an entire can, but unless you have a very strange allergy it seems relatively harmless to me. But don't try this at home kids! The problem I have is that Dan Harris had some lubricant with him at the Italian Open that he kept referring to as "the shit". I always thought that was because of the good lubrication, but now I am just envisioning Dan actually tasting "the shit" :) Dan, can you tell me which lubricant that was exactly and if that is still the best you know? -------- Original Message -------- > From: Kevin Nguyen <nerdalicious123@ yahoo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:33 PM > To: speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > Why would you want to taste lube? > You can die from it! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dan <dan_j_harris@ ntlworld. com> > To: speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:36:16 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > Tyson, > > It's also possible to identify the SNAP lubricant by taste, just > squirt a little on your tongue and it tastes of strawberries and > chocolate. > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Tyson Mao" > <tyson.mao@. ..> wrote: > > > > I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for > awhile, > > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in > > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutl et.com and found the > product, and > > ordered four cans. > > > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm > told > > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know > anything > > about this? > > > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can > identify > > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing > this if > > someone knows the answer. > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo. com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

haha i had forgotten about that.. I use "Dry Lube" from Tableau as recommended by Sean "The Scotland" Connolly. They have a website, www.tableaurpm.co.uk Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Why do you think you can die from tasting lube? I wouldn't drink an entire can, but unless you have a very strange allergy it seems relatively harmless to me. But don't try this at home kids! > > The problem I have is that Dan Harris had some lubricant with him at the Italian Open that he kept referring to as "the shit". I always thought that was because of the good lubrication, but now I am just envisioning Dan actually tasting "the shit" :) > > Dan, can you tell me which lubricant that was exactly and if that is still the best you know? > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: Kevin Nguyen <nerdalicious123@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:33 PM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > > > Why would you want to taste lube? > > You can die from it! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Dan <dan_j_harris@...> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:36:16 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > > > Tyson, > > > > It's also possible to identify the SNAP lubricant by taste, just > > squirt a little on your tongue and it tastes of strawberries and > > chocolate. > > > > Dan :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Tyson Mao" > > <tyson.mao@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for > > awhile, > > > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in > > > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutl et.com and found the > > product, and > > > ordered four cans. > > > > > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm > > told > > > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know > > anything > > > about this? > > > > > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can > > identify > > > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing > > this if > > > someone knows the answer. > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? > > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Right, I got the software...I got an usb mouse... so I took it apart and was hoping there were buttons with wires hanging out of the circuits...but they're not :( they're on a little black "box" with red buttons...(see pics) http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9871/dsc06394kb8.jpg http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1222/dsc06393un8.jpg http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1465/dsc06395ye8.jpg I'm an electrical engineering student, but I'm just at the first semester, so I don't know that much about electronics... so I was wondering if there's anybody who knows it and could help me...how am I going to make pads that are separated, like on the stackmat? is it posible using this circuit? or do I need another? or are all mouses like that? thanks again Pedro nascarjon2001 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Found it... http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html Jon http://www.nascarjon.us Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A friend of mine used a game pad to make his own stackmat, works great. // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Right, I got the software...I got an usb mouse... > > so I took it apart and was hoping there were buttons with wires hanging out of the circuits...but they're not :( > > they're on a little black "box" with red buttons...(see pics) > http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9871/dsc06394kb8.jpg > http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1222/dsc06393un8.jpg > http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1465/dsc06395ye8.jpg > > I'm an electrical engineering student, but I'm just at the first semester, so I don't know that much about electronics... > > so I was wondering if there's anybody who knows it and could help me...how am I going to make pads that are separated, like on the stackmat? is it posible using this circuit? or do I need another? or are all mouses like that? > > thanks again > > Pedro > > nascarjon2001 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Found it... > > http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us > > > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I know...but I don't have one :P Pedro Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...> escreveu: A friend of mine used a game pad to make his own stackmat, works great. // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Right, I got the software...I got an usb mouse... > > so I took it apart and was hoping there were buttons with wires hanging out of the circuits...but they're not :( > > they're on a little black "box" with red buttons...(see pics) > http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9871/dsc06394kb8.jpg > http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1222/dsc06393un8.jpg > http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1465/dsc06395ye8.jpg > > I'm an electrical engineering student, but I'm just at the first semester, so I don't know that much about electronics... > > so I was wondering if there's anybody who knows it and could help me...how am I going to make pads that are separated, like on the stackmat? is it posible using this circuit? or do I need another? or are all mouses like that? > > thanks again > > Pedro > > nascarjon2001 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Found it... > > http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us > > > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Aren't there two pins which connects this black box with the rest of the board? So you could solder two wires to these pins and it should work fine, except this black box is there for more than just being pressed ;). You also could try to open this box, to be sure. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Right, I got the software...I got an usb mouse... > > so I took it apart and was hoping there were buttons with wires hanging out of the circuits...but they're not :( > > they're on a little black "box" with red buttons...(see pics) > http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9871/dsc06394kb8.jpg > http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1222/dsc06393un8.jpg > http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1465/dsc06395ye8.jpg > > I'm an electrical engineering student, but I'm just at the first semester, so I don't know that much about electronics... > > so I was wondering if there's anybody who knows it and could help me...how am I going to make pads that are separated, like on the stackmat? is it posible using this circuit? or do I need another? or are all mouses like that? > > thanks again > > Pedro > > nascarjon2001 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Found it... > > http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us > > > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/instr-shop/MSDS/Snap%20Silicone%20Spray.pdf MSDS for SNAP silicon spray. Scroll down to "Ingestion" under Health Effects Information if you're curious ;) Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "avgalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Why do you think you can die from tasting lube? I wouldn't drink an entire can, but unless you have a very strange allergy it seems relatively harmless to me. But don't try this at home kids! > > The problem I have is that Dan Harris had some lubricant with him at the Italian Open that he kept referring to as "the shit". I always thought that was because of the good lubrication, but now I am just envisioning Dan actually tasting "the shit" :) > > Dan, can you tell me which lubricant that was exactly and if that is still the best you know? > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: Kevin Nguyen <nerdalicious123@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:33 PM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > > > Why would you want to taste lube? > > You can die from it! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Dan <dan_j_harris@...> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:36:16 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > > > Tyson, > > > > It's also possible to identify the SNAP lubricant by taste, just > > squirt a little on your tongue and it tastes of strawberries and > > chocolate. > > > > Dan :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Tyson Mao" > > <tyson.mao@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for > > awhile, > > > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in > > > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutl et.com and found the > > product, and > > > ordered four cans. > > > > > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm > > told > > > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know > > anything > > > about this? > > > > > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can > > identify > > > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing > > this if > > > someone knows the answer. > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? > > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I think each black/white box is connected by 3 pins...you can't see at the last pic, but there are 3 pins below...and here's a picture from the bottom: http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/Pedrosino/mouse.jpg the buttons are at the top...you can see 3 pins for each button and 2 (vertically) for the little capacitor (don't know if that's the word)... I asked on an electronics forum, and they said I could take the buttons out and connect them by wires...so, to do that, I'd have to use a weld iron on the bottom and pull the buttons out, right? or no? Pedro cin9247 <cin9247@...> escreveu: Aren't there two pins which connects this black box with the rest of the board? So you could solder two wires to these pins and it should work fine, except this black box is there for more than just being pressed ;). You also could try to open this box, to be sure. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Right, I got the software...I got an usb mouse... > > so I took it apart and was hoping there were buttons with wires hanging out of the circuits...but they're not :( > > they're on a little black "box" with red buttons...(see pics) > http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9871/dsc06394kb8.jpg > http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1222/dsc06393un8.jpg > http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1465/dsc06395ye8.jpg > > I'm an electrical engineering student, but I'm just at the first semester, so I don't know that much about electronics... > > so I was wondering if there's anybody who knows it and could help me...how am I going to make pads that are separated, like on the stackmat? is it posible using this circuit? or do I need another? or are all mouses like that? > > thanks again > > Pedro > > nascarjon2001 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Found it... > > http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us > > > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone, I have seen others try this, so I figure I will as well. I am in Spokane Washington until Friday evening on business. After 5pm, I have exactly nothing to do, so if there are any cubers in the area, it would be great to meet up and cube a bit. Shoot me an email or reply if you are interested, and we can go from there. Thanks, Frank Morris

I'm going to do some research, maybe write to the manufacturer. I'll admit, I haven't tried much out there, but I will be very sad if I cannot find SNAP anymore. I bought four cans of gunk, and it sucks. -Tyson On 7/31/07, Kevin Nguyen <nerdalicious123@...> wrote: > > Why would you want to taste lube? > You can die from it! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dan <dan_j_harris@... <dan_j_harris%40ntlworld.com>> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:36:16 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > Tyson, > > It's also possible to identify the SNAP lubricant by taste, just > squirt a little on your tongue and it tastes of strawberries and > chocolate. > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Tyson Mao" > <tyson.mao@. ..> wrote: > > > > I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for > awhile, > > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in > > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutl et.com and found the > product, and > > ordered four cans. > > > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm > told > > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know > anything > > about this? > > > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can > identify > > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing > this if > > someone knows the answer. > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > __________________________________________________________Ready for the > edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

First you distinguish right or left bottom on PCB side(solder side) then wire according attacched pic. Agheb Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: I think each black/white box is connected by 3 pins...you can't see at the last pic, but there are 3 pins below...and here's a picture from the bottom: http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/Pedrosino/mouse.jpg the buttons are at the top...you can see 3 pins for each button and 2 (vertically) for the little capacitor (don't know if that's the word)... I asked on an electronics forum, and they said I could take the buttons out and connect them by wires...so, to do that, I'd have to use a weld iron on the bottom and pull the buttons out, right? or no? Pedro cin9247 <cin9247@...> escreveu: Aren't there two pins which connects this black box with the rest of the board? So you could solder two wires to these pins and it should work fine, except this black box is there for more than just being pressed ;). You also could try to open this box, to be sure. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Right, I got the software...I got an usb mouse... > > so I took it apart and was hoping there were buttons with wires hanging out of the circuits...but they're not :( > > they're on a little black "box" with red buttons...(see pics) > http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9871/dsc06394kb8.jpg > http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1222/dsc06393un8.jpg > http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1465/dsc06395ye8.jpg > > I'm an electrical engineering student, but I'm just at the first semester, so I don't know that much about electronics... > > so I was wondering if there's anybody who knows it and could help me...how am I going to make pads that are separated, like on the stackmat? is it posible using this circuit? or do I need another? or are all mouses like that? > > thanks again > > Pedro > > nascarjon2001 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Found it... > > http://web.ntust.edu.tw/~M8910202/rubixcube/download.html > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us > > > > > > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Alertas do Yahoo! Mail em seu celular. Saiba mais. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, Guys! There's a pretty long time i've been watching the discussions in here and stuff, and i decided to post for the first time today. I'm in doubt about what cube would be the best to buy. i have a rubik's here ( not DIY ) and i'd like buy a DIY one, so i found some other sites like cube4you and 9spuzzles. Is there anyone who had at least two of those three to make a comparison in order that i can come up with the best option for speedcubing? Or even could indicate another good site. Thanks in advance, Carlos

not to long ago i tried to find a can of snap to try out. i went to osh home depot acehardware and true value but none of them had any snap. they all said that gunk was the same stuff but its not --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > I'm going to do some research, maybe write to the manufacturer. I'll admit, > I haven't tried much out there, but I will be very sad if I cannot find SNAP > anymore. I bought four cans of gunk, and it sucks. > > -Tyson > > On 7/31/07, Kevin Nguyen <nerdalicious123@...> wrote: > > > > Why would you want to taste lube? > > You can die from it! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Dan <dan_j_harris@... <dan_j_harris%40ntlworld.com>> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:36:16 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > > > Tyson, > > > > It's also possible to identify the SNAP lubricant by taste, just > > squirt a little on your tongue and it tastes of strawberries and > > chocolate. > > > > Dan :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Tyson Mao" > > <tyson.mao@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's Cube for > > awhile, > > > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can unavailable in > > > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutl et.com and found the > > product, and > > > ordered four cans. > > > > > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow can. I'm > > told > > > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know > > anything > > > about this? > > > > > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I can > > identify > > > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid doing > > this if > > > someone knows the answer. > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________Ready for the > > edge of your seat? > > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

im almost positive that cube4you and 9spuzzles have the exact same diys. same with ed's think shop. they all have the same stuff mostly. i cant say for rubiks but alot of people like cube4you better than rubiks diy --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Carlos de Alcântara <carlosaajr@...> wrote: > > Hey, Guys! There's a pretty long time i've been watching the > discussions in here and stuff, and i decided to post for the first time > today. > I'm in doubt about what cube would be the best to buy. i have a rubik's > here ( not DIY ) and i'd like buy a DIY one, so i found some other > sites like cube4you and 9spuzzles. Is there anyone who had at least two > of those three to make a comparison in order that i can come up with > the best option for speedcubing? Or even could indicate another good > site. > > Thanks in advance, > > Carlos >

Wow, this could be a pretty bum deal for us. My trick is to spray a bunch of the silicone into the cap and use a q-tip to apply to the cross inside, as well as the sides of the cubies. It prevents overspray, allows for quick application, and only takes a few minutes to dry. I found that spraying directly into the cube wears out my stickers faster, takes forever to dry, and results in a temporary "locking" condition where the cube like to freeze in the middle of turns. Adam --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mr_seagull_1 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > not to long ago i tried to find a can of snap to try out. i went to > osh home depot acehardware and true value but none of them had any > snap. they all said that gunk was the same stuff but its not > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > I'm going to do some research, maybe write to the manufacturer. > I'll admit, > > I haven't tried much out there, but I will be very sad if I cannot > find SNAP > > anymore. I bought four cans of gunk, and it sucks. > > > > -Tyson > > > > On 7/31/07, Kevin Nguyen <nerdalicious123@> wrote: > > > > > > Why would you want to taste lube? > > > You can die from it! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Dan <dan_j_harris@ <dan_j_harris%40ntlworld.com>> > > > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:36:16 AM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SNAP Silicone Lubricant > > > > > > Tyson, > > > > > > It's also possible to identify the SNAP lubricant by taste, just > > > squirt a little on your tongue and it tastes of strawberries and > > > chocolate. > > > > > > Dan :) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Tyson Mao" > > > <tyson.mao@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been a loyal fan of SNAP Silicon Lubricant for Rubik's > Cube for > > > awhile, > > > > and I was really scared to discover the familiar blue can > unavailable in > > > > stores. I went onto www.acehardwareoutl et.com and found the > > > product, and > > > > ordered four cans. > > > > > > > > I got "Gunk" Liquid Wrench Silicone Lubricant, in a yellow > can. I'm > > > told > > > > that this is the same product, but repackaged. Does anyone know > > > anything > > > > about this? > > > > > > > > I haven't had a chance to test out the spray yet, but I know I > can > > > identify > > > > the lubricant by the smell. Of course, I would like to avoid > doing > > > this if > > > > someone knows the answer. > > > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________Ready > for the > > > edge of your seat? > > > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > > > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

I'm using an old tooth brush, spraying it, just a litte at the time and then brush silicone onto the pieces. Works wery well for both cleaning and lubing, all in one go =) // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Adam P. Larsen" <aplarsen@...> wrote: > > Wow, this could be a pretty bum deal for us. > > My trick is to spray a bunch of the silicone into the cap and use a > q-tip to apply to the cross inside, as well as the sides of the > cubies. It prevents overspray, allows for quick application, and only > takes a few minutes to dry. I found that spraying directly into the > cube wears out my stickers faster, takes forever to dry, and results > in a temporary "locking" condition where the cube like to freeze in > the middle of turns. > > Adam

which is the best algorithms for the Z- perm??? i've tried dan knights' z perm. is that a good alg? --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' DanH --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Karl Rabaya <azn_invaz1on7@...> wrote: > > which is the best algorithms for the Z- perm??? i've tried dan knights' z perm. is that a good alg? > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Best? Well, that's a matter of taste =) Anyway, I'm using this: M2 U M E2 M (E2+U') M2 Do the (E2+U') as a double layer turn (u') after half the E-move and it works as one turn. It is rather tricky t odo the alg if you are not used to it but in time it get's easy. It's worth practising it until it can be done fast because there are not many shorter LL-algs out there. // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Karl Rabaya <azn_invaz1on7@...> wrote: > > which is the best algorithms for the Z- perm??? i've tried dan knights' z perm. is that a good alg? > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Mine is great for slice lovers...and just about useless in OH. M2 U M2 U' M E2 M E2 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' > > DanH > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Karl Rabaya > <azn_invaz1on7@> wrote: > > > > which is the best algorithms for the Z- perm??? i've tried dan > knights' z perm. is that a good alg? > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Also try: R2 U R2' U2' R2 U R2' U' R2 U R2' U2' R2 U R2' get it right and you can execute it in one big finger-trick. DanH :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Karl Rabaya <azn_invaz1on7@...> wrote: > > which is the best algorithms for the Z- perm??? i've tried dan knights' z perm. is that a good alg? > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi Arnoud!! Put me on the list! I surely love to come! Also, I got in touch with a new cuber who lives in Nijmegen (already met him there). He would also like to join us. Is that OK? Cya! - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > On August 12th (sunday) I will have an informal cube meeting at my > place in Rotterdam. Everyone is welcome from 11 in the morning untill > late at night. Please let me know if you would like to come so I can > have enough drinks/food/tables/chairs etc. The address will be > > Johannes Meulsteestraat 35 > 3065 HC > Rotterdam >

Does anyone still use Jig-A-Loo? Has Anyone switched from Jig-A-Loo to snap? or vice versa? I use Jig-A-Loo and love it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Karl Rabaya <azn_invaz1on7@...> wrote: > > which is the best algorithms for the Z- perm??? i've tried dan knights' z perm. is that a good alg? > Yes, it's a good one. A few other ones that haven't been mentioned yet: R U R B' R' B U' R' f R U R' U' f' M2 U M2 U M' U2 M2 U2 M' (U2) M2 u M2 u' S' M2 S -- Johannes Laire

Do you really use this in a competition ? That is a hell of a fingertrick. :p Gilles 2007/8/1, Dan <dan_j_harris@...>: > > Also try: > > R2 U R2' U2' R2 U R2' U' R2 U R2' U2' R2 U R2' > > get it right and you can execute it in one big finger-trick. > > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Karl Rabaya > <azn_invaz1on7@...> wrote: > > > > which is the best algorithms for the Z- perm??? i've tried dan > knights' z perm. is that a good alg? > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

As I said, everyone is welcome! I would just like to know how many people will come. Is this new cuber a hidden talent that will beat all WR's completely unexpected, or are we allowed to know his name? I will see the both of you soon, Arnaud -------- Original Message -------- > From: Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:39 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Speed cubing group] Re: Cube meeting in Rotterdam (Netherlands) > > Hi Arnoud!! > > Put me on the list! I surely love to come! > > Also, I got in touch with a new cuber who lives in Nijmegen (already > met him there). He would also like to join us. Is that OK? > > Cya! > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" > <avgalen@...> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > On August 12th (sunday) I will have an informal cube meeting at my > > place in Rotterdam. Everyone is welcome from 11 in the morning untill > > late at night. Please let me know if you would like to come so I can > > have enough drinks/food/tables/chairs etc. The address will be > > > > Johannes Meulsteestraat 35 > > 3065 HC > > Rotterdam > >

Hello everybody, I don't know if it's really true, but to me it seems as if the music I listen to effects my times. The music that is optimal for my cubing is from a French band called 'Air'; very few lyrics, and relaxing music. What is your prefered music for cubing? My I am try :). - Joël.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i was just wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the > amazing averages he claims. Looks like he lost his manhood. Cheers! Stefan